"Novus Ordo" vs. "Ordinary Form" - What in the world do we call the Mass of Paul VI?

[Anathama_Sit]

My signature is not in response to your other thread. No matter how you try to package an argument, the use of “novus ordo” (particularly on these forums) is typically as an invective. I have actually seen postings where some use “EF” and “NO.” Would it have been too difficult to type “EF” and “OF”? Obviously not, but like many they wanted to take a little shot at the OF. I find that to be disgusting.

Greetings ElToro,

I am puzzled as to why you have waited until post #66 to address the your signature. I believe we will have to agree to disagree. I do not mean Novus Ordo Missae to be used as an invective and after talking to several of my professors about this thread, they said that it was up to me as to what I would refer to the Mass of Paul VI as. Some of them refer to the Mass of Paul VI as Novus Ordo Missae as well, and they do not mean any disrespect or to use an “invective.”

I believe it is not in the terms themselves but in the manner one uses the term in as another poster had pointed out. As you have seen in my posts, never once have I criticized the Novus Ordo Missae and by the grace of God I will never do so.

God bless.
Anathama Sit

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

I would like to direct anyone that is Offended by the use of the term Novus Ordo to the Last lines of the Document that was posted by Digitonomy:

"Needless to say, in order to experience full communion, the priests of the communities adhering to the former usage cannot, as a matter of principle, exclude celebrating according to the new books. The total exclusion of the **new rite **would not in fact be consistent with the recognition of its value and holiness. "

bolding mine.

here we see that the Mass as Pope Paul gave to us being referred to as the new rite. So it would appear that either the vatican itself is slurring the Mass, or it is perfectly acceptable to use those terms.

 

[Anathama_Sit]

I would like to direct anyone that is Offended by the use of the term Novus Ordo to the Last lines of the Document that was posted by Digitonomy:

"Needless to say, in order to experience full communion, the priests of the communities adhering to the former usage cannot, as a matter of principle, exclude celebrating according to the new books. The total exclusion of the **new rite **would not in fact be consistent with the recognition of its value and holiness. "

bolding mine.

here we see that the Mass as Pope Paul gave to us being referred to as the new rite. So it would appear that either the vatican itself is slurring the Mass, or it is perfectly acceptable to use those terms.

Greetings oneGODoneChurch,

I like the username. Thank you for pointing that out.

God bless.
Anathama Sit

 

[Anathama_Sit]

Greetings to All who have posted in this thread,

I am very appreciative to all of you for providing your answers and thoughts behind this. I am appreciative of the time that was spent in forumlating your responses to this thread. This will be a useful thread to refer back to time and time again.

I have petitioned that a Moderator closer this thread, because I feel that my question has been answered in a way that is quite to my satisfaction.

Thank you all. I hope to encounter you all again in other threads of Catholic Answers Forum.

God bless you all
Anathama Sit

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Greetings oneGODoneChurch,

I like the username. Thank you for pointing that out.

God bless.
Anathama Sit

You are welcome. As I have stated people that are offended by such things are more times than not looking to be offended. Also it is tells me that they have a predjutise against the Mass as put forth in the 1962 Missal: the EF, the TLM, The Old Mass, The Tridentine Mass, or by what ever names you wish to you to id it.

 

[ProVobis]

What would the Latin be if it were not comparative, but simply the “old use”?

Usus Antiquus or Usus Vetus

But one could easily use the argument that old means replaced, such as Vetus Latina, which St. Jerome replaced with what we call in the English the Latin Vulgate.

 

[pnewton]

Something else to consider on this topic, is that we are identified by the words we use, fair or not. After years of seeing novus ordo used by people of a certain temperment, it is almost unavoidable not to see this temperment in the next poster who uses it. We all do this with language. For example, the word “churchman”. If I see it, I will have a picture in my mind of the user. On the other side of the spectrum, we have “nuance” and “Spirit of Vatican II”. None of these words or phrases are bad in and of themselves, but we all know that this happens and we all do this to some extent. I try to get past my first impression and concentrate on content, but I can not deny that first impression. Let’s see, how about “proportional reasons” or even people like St. Athanasius? I wish no offense, but am only pointing out that there is a downside to ignoring the emotional content of words. Sometimes using careful language is not so much to avoid offense as it is to avoid fitting a stereotype of one kind or another.

 

[Digitonomy]

I would like to direct anyone that is Offended by the use of the term Novus Ordo to the Last lines of the Document that was posted by Digitonomy:

"Needless to say, in order to experience full communion, the priests of the communities adhering to the former usage cannot, as a matter of principle, exclude celebrating according to the new books. The total exclusion of the **new rite **would not in fact be consistent with the recognition of its value and holiness. "

bolding mine.

here we see that the Mass as Pope Paul gave to us being referred to as the new rite. So it would appear that either the vatican itself is slurring the Mass, or it is perfectly acceptable to use those terms.

To be fair, that is the English translation, and the letter was never translated into Latin. While there are documents where the Vatican has used “Novus Ordo,” it’s not clear if the member on this thread and others who are offended object to the meaning, or only to the Latin words. It may be that he finds “new rite” (English), “novo rito” (Italian), or “erneuerten Form” (German) to be acceptable.

 

[Cider]

You know I never hear this debate in my parish ( which celebrates both ) only here at CAF do people seem to want to get up in arms over the term novus ordo. Heck I’ve seen it used in quite a few different parishes bulletins.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

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