Novus Ordos Mass...why?

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Don’t worry about it MH. Just find a good traditional Roman Catholic church. Bail on this one. Appears you got caught up in the “Spirit of V2”.

There are many fine Catholic churches out there. Oh, and BTW, you’ll find lots of very critical folks here. Pick you to death if you let them.
 
Oh, and BTW, you’ll find lots of very critical folks here. Pick you to death if you let them.
Do you believe it is being critical to try and encourage someone to not be so critical of others. . The initial post had five separate criticisms of the liturgy and the parish. There is little question, if one were to be unbiased, as to who is being critical.

Can anyone give a reminder that we should not be judgemental, even in a blatantly obvious situation without being labeled judgemental? If needed, I would be happen to cut and past from the first few posts to illustrate the things that cause me concern.
 
Actually, I have nothing against blue collar people. I grew up with a single mother who was a school janitor all of my adolescent life. I work in customer service. I answer phones and enter orders. Sure I don’t get dirty, but I definitely relate to the likes of warehouse workers and construction workers more than I would a doctor or lawyer. I just think slacks and an inexpensive button down (even a sweater) looks more respectful than CLEAN BLUE JEANS, SPOTLESS CONSTRUCTION BOOTS and a BRANDNEW CARHARTT jacket. Besides, this was a ceremony and everyone in the class (there were over 150 candidates from over 30 parishes) were given a list of rules stating the proper attire, no bubble gum, etc… And another thing…I grew up poor but when I went to mass my mother made sure I wasn’t dressed like I just shoveled snow.
If you have a problem with someone showing up for Mass in blue jeans, construction boots and a Carhartt jacket, perhaps it is because being from the East Coast you are so used to seeing people show up in their $1000+ suits, $150 ties, Gucci loafers - have I adequately described the attire of some of our finest East Coast Catholics - those people who wear such fancy clothes, show up for Mass on Sunday and, being they are politicians, go out on Monday and vote for another law to support unfettered abortion?

Seems to me there was a Gospel reference to this. Ah, but what does it matter what Christ might have said about outer appearance and inward disposition? Just because you are used to East Coast style does not give you the right to criticize someone whose style is radically different than yours, as if you could judge how much they love the Lord.
 
Don’t worry about it MH. Just find a good traditional Roman Catholic church. Bail on this one. Appears you got caught up in the “Spirit of V2”.

There are many fine Catholic churches out there. Oh, and BTW, you’ll find lots of very critical folks here. Pick you to death if you let them.
Critical folks here? The OP gets an A+ in being critical and judgemental of others.
 
Wow, this is fantastic. Its pretty incredible that I explained myself very clearly, stating that I grew up poor and am in no way white collar…I have more in common with the blue collar world than the white. Yet there are still the few (or maybe its the one?) that totally ignore the facts and choose to pick out certain words to support their arguments. Its very much like those protestants that are able to totally ignore what the bible really says and mold it into what they want and then go off and start their own cults and sects.

As for growing up on the east coast, that doesn’t have anything to do with the way people dress. Maybe you are thinking I am some sort of 1970’s Italian disco sleaze bag with poofy bangs? I’m only 27, so that wouldn’t be the case.
 
Not we. The nuns made us wear white shirts with ties. And polished black shoes. They show up even with the cassocks on.
Not me. A tie would have shown through the neck of the cassock and that was strictly verboten.
 
Hello everyone. This is my first post. I really felt the need to vent and find answers.

I made my confirmation (I am not a convert, just returning) last week at Saint Dominic Savio in Bellflower, CA. Unfortunately I was not able to truly enjoy this momentous event. There were no stations of the cross insight (maybe they took them down for Advent. Is this customary?). The crucifix held during the entrance was some bizarre post-modern art project. The cross itself was wood, and the “Jesus” was metal, but looked like two legs from a Christmas tree stand turned into a cross. The large crucifix was over the entrance door. Basically you’ll only see it on your way out of the church. The weird thing about that large crucifix is Jesus had one arm free from the cross, as if saying he never did die on the cross, but just walked off of it. The music was terrible. The “choir” consisted of a pianist, singers, lead acoustic guitarist, harmonica, drums and a very faint trumpet. They played a lot of protestant pop “hymnals” that you hear on infomercials at 2am “I CAN SING OF YOUR NAME FOREVER!”. By the middle of the ceremony I had an astonishing headache.

I haven’t been to a NO mass in a few years but this was definitely the worst I’ve experienced. Just about every parishioner refused to be given the communion wafer by mouth. They just held their hands out and popped it in themselves (maybe I am just being picky?). The thing I find odd about Saint Dominic Savio’s is the parish was founded by Salesians… being that they are a religious order you’d think they hold on to some of the sacred traditions. I think the most bizarre part of it all was the fact that the Bishop actually sang along to the music. How could some one so high up in the church actually like this stuff? It really threw me off when the Bishop would chant for a few words and the choir would storm in with an awful song.

If it weren’t for the name on the building I would have thought I was attending a protestant gathering.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this???
Please know that not all Catholic Church’s will give you a similar experience with the Novus Ordo Mass. I go to two Novus Ordo Masses every weekend and both are very reverent. 👍
 
Please know that not all Catholic Church’s will give you a similar experience with the Novus Ordo Mass. I go to two Novus Ordo Masses every weekend and both are very reverent. 👍
I attend a OF Mass and a Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom every Sunday. Both are equally reverent.

Everyone should be careful not to fall into the trap of equating *personal preferences *with what’s actually reverent and/or allowed.
 
I attend a OF Mass and a Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom every Sunday. Both are equally reverent.

Everyone should be careful not to fall into the trap of equating *personal preferences *with what’s actually reverent and/or allowed.
Are you saying that the Mass as described in the OP is just as reverent as say a church where the large crucifix is visible to the entire congregation during the Mass, the Mass is said properly and with no abuses, etc? That said, I do not believe that quality of music has much to do with reverence. However, I do think that Protestant hymns do not belong at Mass. The hymns at Mass should be Catholic and clearly so. 👍
 
Are you saying that the Mass as described in the OP is just as reverent as say a church where the large crucifix is visible to the entire congregation during the Mass, the Mass is said properly and with no abuses, etc? That said, I do not believe that quality of music has much to do with reverence. However, I do think that Protestant hymns do not belong at Mass. The hymns at Mass should be Catholic and clearly so. 👍
Hotchkiss didn’t say anything of the kind. He (she?) was pointing out that in his experience, there are plenty of reverent Masses available if you look for them.

I would expect that the cantor, EMHCs, Lectors, etc would dress up a bit for Mass. I’m not sure what a Carrhart jacket is, but I don’t think it’s a sportscoat. The servers could have been worse…flip flops! But I do agree they should be wearing black dress pants and regular leather shoes with black socks.

The music you mentioned wouldn’t be my choice, but a lot of the traditional hymns we sing are also used by the Protestants. One of my Lutheran friends was at my house on a Saturday night and I was trying to learn a song for the next day. She knew it by heart and the composer was a saint, but I don’t remember who. Those pop type tunes aren’t suitable for Mass.

My parish and the church where I sing are both newer churches, one built in about 1965 and the other about 1978, but they have crucifixes, kneelers, and stations on the wall. I know there are churches without kneelers, but except for when we used to be so crowded we had to have Mass in the cafeteria using folding chairs (in the 60s and 80s) I’ve never been to Mass where people didn’t have a place to kneel.

As for Communion in the hand, you’ll find a lot of arguments here about that. It is an acceptable practice in the US at this time, so that was not an abuse.

I’ve been to a few Teen Masses by accident and I don’t like them, so I generally avoid them. OP, you seem to be happy with your regular parish, so I’d just chalk that particular Mass up to experience and stick with your own Mass.
 
Actually, I have nothing against blue collar people. I grew up with a single mother who was a school janitor all of my adolescent life. I work in customer service. I answer phones and enter orders. Sure I don’t get dirty, but I definitely relate to the likes of warehouse workers and construction workers more than I would a doctor or lawyer. I just think slacks and an inexpensive button down (even a sweater) looks more respectful than CLEAN BLUE JEANS, SPOTLESS CONSTRUCTION BOOTS and a BRANDNEW CARHARTT jacket. Besides, this was a ceremony and everyone in the class (there were over 150 candidates from over 30 parishes) were given a list of rules stating the proper attire, no bubble gum, etc… And another thing…I grew up poor but when I went to mass my mother made sure I wasn’t dressed like I just shoveled snow.
Maybe he had to go to work right after Mass, and wouldn’t have time to change?

Anyway, as for the Mass itself, that is part of the problem with the Chinese Menu known as Missal of 1970 - a Mass, in Latin, ad orientam is an option, just as the Mass you attended. You mentioned that you usually go to an EF Parish, so I would suggest either sticking with that, or finding a parish where the OF is offered more reverently. Sometimes, even the Mass time makes a difference, especially if there is a time when the older parishoners generally prefer to attend.
 
As for Communion in the hand, you’ll find a lot of arguments here about that. It is an acceptable practice in the US at this time, so that was not an abuse.
Yes, it’s an accepted practice, but it’s an abuse to force or to intimidate anyone to take communion in the hand. I’ve been approached by at least one person in church as to why I take communion on the tongue and I don’t feel that’s justified.
 
I attend a OF Mass and a Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom every Sunday. Both are equally reverent.

Everyone should be careful not to fall into the trap of equating *personal preferences *with what’s actually reverent and/or allowed.
True… but you must admit some NO’s have problems. Not all of them.

Like Monica (I think) said, you’re there for the Eucharist. No matter what’s wrong with them Christ is still there. Sad, sure, but still there.

I once read a really good article about what to do if there’s liturgical abuses at a parish, or general problems. If you’re a regular and have many other parishioners with you, then you should follow a certain procedure to get this taken care of. If you’re alone, or it’s not your parish, all you can do is pray for them. If it’s really bad, a letter to the bishop would work, but if it’s just regular problems that are sort of borderline, then you can’t do anything but pray for them.
 
Yes, it’s an accepted practice, but it’s an abuse to force or to intimidate anyone to take communion in the hand. I’ve been approached by at least one person in church as to why I take communion on the tongue and I don’t feel that’s justified.
I would just say, COTT is the norm, CITT is an indult and can be disallowed at an time. If you use these abbreviations and the word indult, this kind of person will be left speechless and probably not bother you again 😃 😉
 
Are you saying that the Mass as described in the OP is just as reverent as say a church where the large crucifix is visible to the entire congregation during the Mass, the Mass is said properly and with no abuses, etc? That said, I do not believe that quality of music has much to do with reverence. However, I do think that Protestant hymns do not belong at Mass. The hymns at Mass should be Catholic and clearly so. 👍
Almost all the gripes made were not abuses at all. For example, you mention music. There is not Church document that addresses who the composers of music should be. I hear this complaint a lot. Yet no one can show where the Church has spoken on this issue. As Catholics, we need to be obedient to our Church, yet charitable where the Church is silent. As sinners, we are often less charitable over the areas that the Church allows discretion.

I wish everyone that desired to attend a TLM had the availablity to do so. However, such an availability must never be a platform for bashing the Sacred Liturgy of the Catholic Church as practiced elsewhere.
 
Yes, it’s an accepted practice, but it’s an abuse to force or to intimidate anyone to take communion in the hand. I’ve been approached by at least one person in church as to why I take communion on the tongue and I don’t feel that’s justified.
I don’t see why that is a bad thing, if it was done properly. If the question was sincere, it provides an opportunity for you to explain your opinion on this and maybe open some eyes. If what you are saying though is that the question was posed in a more condescending manner, then I what I said in my prior post comes to mind. People can get nasty over anything. No one, never, ever, should be intimidated to receive communion in their hand from the pulpit or the laity.
 
You know… another thing I found odd was that one of the altar boys had on sneakers and jeans under his vestments. I am sure he was wearing a t-shirt under there too, just as the drummer was wearing a **BLINK 182 t-shirt. **One of the laymen involved in some sort of ministry (not sure which) made a few announcements wearing blue jeans, work boots and a Carhartt construction coat.
Well, the fact that a drummer was needed for the Mass…is almost as bad as the fact that he wore a “Blink 182” t-shirt. Logo type shirts are not acceptable as far as I’m concerned, ESPECIALLY when one is in an up-front position. It sounds as if you need to RUN----NOT WALK to your nearest Latin Mass.

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I would just say, COTT is the norm, CITT is an indult and can be disallowed at an time. If you use these abbreviations and the word indult, this kind of person will be left speechless and probably not bother you again 😃 😉
Yeh, about as speechless as all the CITT posters on CA. 😃
 
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