Now the Lutherans

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The problem is that society has deemed homosexuality “normal” & acceptable, thus impossing this belief on churches & religious communities. Those of us that can see this for what it really is, the work of the evil one, can only pray that those faithful to God’s Word will stand united against this lie of satan & grow stronger in our faith & our love for The Lord.
 
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geezerbob:
Lutherans are now considering a proposal to allow for approval of gay and lesbian ministers who are in committed relationships. More here: story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=2&u=/ap/20050412/ap_on_re_us/lutherans_gays

Where is religion in America going??
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Welcome to New Europe. Unless people like you and I FINALLY decide to put our feet down and tell these socialist utopian utilitarians “NO MORE”.
 
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geezerbob:
Lutherans are now considering a proposal to allow for approval of gay and lesbian ministers who are in committed relationships.
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I knew the Missouri Synod wouldn’t go along with that. They’re the most orthodox Lutherans.
 
**I’m not surprised…The ELCA has been paying for the abortions of employees for a number of years (it’s covered by their insurancy). **

It does seem that the mainline Protestant denominations are becoming more and more secular…
 
We had better make room for some Lutheran brothers and sisters in Christ in our churches.
 
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Fitz:
We had better make room for some Lutheran brothers and sisters in Christ in our churches.
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The bridge over the Tiber is never closed.
 
Truly this could be an example of God using evil (the sad prevalence of attempts to normalize an evil) and turning it to good (by pointing those who recognize the evil the way back into the Catholic Church).
 
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Fitz:
We had better make room for some Lutheran brothers and sisters in Christ in our churches.
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Knowing many Lutherans as I do, I’d say that your comment is quite appropriate for those traditionalist Lutherans who are in the churches that are abandoning the requirement for heterosexual clergy.

As for Missouri Synod, they’re going to be Lutherans forever. There’s still quite a bit of anti-catholicism among those die-hards and they are really committed to traditional Lutheranism.
 
It reminds me of what I read last week about the Catholic Church and the New Pope. How he had to 'bring the Church into the next century on issues as blah blah blah"

Yes these things are somehow considered normal and acceptable, ‘tolerance’ has turned into acceptance.

To tolerate means to 'put up with" Basically I thought it meant, to put up with it, don’t be rude, don’t be mean, but don’t necessarily approve of it.

Now we’ve blurred the line and tolerance now means 100% acceptance. Gay Marriage, Gay adoption, Gay priests, Women Priests, and on and on and on…

Since when did sin become ‘normal and acceptable’

probably around the time that single mothers became the ‘in’ thing - that contraception became the ‘in’ thing - around the time that staying home with your own children instead of working became the ‘in’ thing.

Now, anything less than 100% accepetance of the homosexual lifestyle is considred “hate speech”

Wow - and they say there’s ‘no slippery slope’
 
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Richardols:
As for Missouri Synod, they’re going to be Lutherans forever. There’s still quite a bit of anti-catholicism among those die-hards and they are really committed to traditional Lutheranism.
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Yep, the LCMS still has the Pope as the Anti-Christ as part of it’s official doctrine.
To the extent that the papacy continues to claim as official dogma the canons and decrees of the Council of Trent which expressly anathematizes, for instance, the doctrine “that justifying faith is nothing else than trust in divine mercy which remits sins for Christ’s sake, or that it is that trust alone by which we are justified,” the judgment of the Lutheran confessional writings that the papacy is the Antichrist holds
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LCMS Synod Theological Commission
 
around the time that staying home with your own children instead of working became the ‘in’ thing.
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Mommy–HUH?
Did you “reverse” this accidentally or what?
Do you mean “around the time that WORKING instead of staying home with your own children became the “in” thing” (and I’ll qualify that with “for white middle class women” because moms working outside the home was far more known in the 20th century for moms of color. . .
 
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geezerbob:
Lutherans are now considering a proposal to allow for approval of gay and lesbian ministers who are in committed relationships. More here: story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=2&u=/ap/20050412/ap_on_re_us/lutherans_gays

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The Lutheran church is very splintered with different doctrines accepted by different synods.

Say would SOMEONE direct me where all of these Protestant churches are finding a basis for accepting homosexuality as normal behavior? With accepting homosexual unions. I admit my biblical scholarship is not at a high level but everything I’ve read in the Bible indicates that this is not normal and in fact an abomination before God. Particularly those homosexuals who are not chaste, are in effect selectively ignoring those biblical bases for not finding this activity acceptable

Lisa N
 
Lisa N:
The Lutheran church is very splintered with different doctrines accepted by different synods.

Say would SOMEONE direct me where all of these Protestant churches are finding a basis for accepting homosexuality as normal behavior? With accepting homosexual unions. I admit my biblical scholarship is not at a high level but everything I’ve read in the Bible indicates that this is not normal and in fact an abomination before God. Particularly those homosexuals who are not chaste, are in effect selectively ignoring those biblical bases for not finding this activity acceptable

Lisa N
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So the real question the becomes, WHICH Lutheran Church are you talking about?
 
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Apologia100:
So the real question the becomes, WHICH Lutheran Church are you talking about?
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Yes I am not surprised the Missouri Synod is not jumping on this bandwagon but I’m rather stunned to hear the “evangelical” group is considering it. OTOH their definition of ‘evangelical’ may not jibe with what I consider as an evangelical focus. There are many other synods as well. I have a friend who’s Lutheran and she explained it all to me. Some of the synods are a result of the origination (such as from Sweden). It’s all very complex and gives me a headache!

Lisa N
 
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Apologia100:
So the real question the becomes, WHICH Lutheran Church are you talking about?
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The ELCA. The largest Lutheran org in America. I converted from these guys. In case you do not know, the ELCA recently went into full communion with the Episcopal Church (pastors can even serve at each other’s services), so it is not surprising that they are going this direction–the modernist nutjobs are getting an increasing share in a diminishing market.

Scott
 
Scott Waddell:
The ELCA. The largest Lutheran org in America. I converted from these guys. In case you do not know, the ELCA recently went into full communion with the Episcopal Church (pastors can even serve at each other’s services), so it is not surprising that they are going this direction–the modernist nutjobs are getting an increasing share in a diminishing market.

Scott
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Being in full communion with the Episcopal Church isn’t saying much. Its like saying a manager for McDonald’s can go work at Burger King, what’s the difference?
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
Being in full communion with the Episcopal Church isn’t saying much. Its like saying a manager for McDonald’s can go work at Burger King, what’s the difference?
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:rotfl: I love this - perfect!
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
Being in full communion with the Episcopal Church isn’t saying much.
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I thought that Episcopalians and other Protestants were our “separated brethren.” What’s the point of knocking them like that?
 
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