Now we have a open lesbian working for the USCCB, advising them on health care! When does this stop?

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When is this going to end? How much worse does have to get before this garbage gets cleaned up??

youtube.com/watch?v=Rq-KeN0-QSE&feature=autofb

It is really making me sick to my stomach to continue to hear these stories - they are becoming more and more prevalent, and it is ever more glaringly obvious that something has got to be done.
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You’re right.

Every single person who works for the USCCB should be spiritually, doctrinally, and morally pure, and they should all glow in the dark like St. Seraphim of Sarov.

And if they don’t, fire them at once.

And while we’re at it let’s examine all the ordinary faithful, starting with you, to make aure they are pure enough, too.

And if not, get the stakes and pile on the faggots (and I don’t mean to have a barbecue for bassoonists).
 
It doesn’t surprise me that the enemy would try to slip in there. It saddens me, however, that the enemy is openly anti-catholic and holds such a high level position.
 
I do think that at the very least those working in positions of authority should be obedient to the authority.

If this person were a male and were caught in fornication or adultery would we say, "Well, none of us is perfect and provided he’s we shouldn’t really care about how he’s walking the walk? " I’m just asking. . .
 
You’re right.
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Every single person who works for the USCCB should be spiritually, doctrinally, and morally pure, and they should all glow in the dark like St. Seraphim of Sarov.
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Of course not, but…
I would expect that a leader of roman catholicism should act properly. She could be someone that could influence people negatively, be an aid in leading people to err, and possibly be an instrument in the loss of souls of many.
One who flaunts mortal sin is not someone I would want to be in USCCB.
If this person were a male and were caught in fornication or adultery would we say, "Well, none of us is perfect and provided he’s we shouldn’t really care about how he’s walking the walk? " I’m just asking. . .
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The key is, she is flaunting lesbianism. She is unrepentant.
 
So because she’s a lesbian she can’t be an expert on health care? I mean, would you react the same way if she was an open pre-marital fornicator? It’s not like she is a practicing abortionist, which is antithetical to our health care stance.
 
bpbasilphx said:
You’re right.

Every single person who works for the USCCB should be spiritually, doctrinally, and morally pure, and they should all glow in the dark like St. Seraphim of Sarov.

And if they don’t, fire them at once.
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From your other posts I’ve seen, you don’t really seem like the type to resort to strawman arguments like this so I can only guess this really struck a nerve with you for some reason… 🤷 Anyway, where would YOU draw the line, then? If a person consistently living a lifestyle of proud and unrepentant mortal sin (and bragging about it) is okay for this position then I don’t know how much more lax in character standards you could possibly get.
 
So because she’s a lesbian she can’t be an expert on health care? I mean, would you react the same way if she was an open pre-marital fornicator? It’s not like she is a practicing abortionist, which is antithetical to our health care stance.
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There should be a high standard for people placed in high positions in the church. They will be the ones who are held responsible for the people under them in the church and for their own actions. They are especially held responsible for their actions.

This is a “red herring” thrown in. The woman obviously has an agenda, or why else would she be there? She can’t be a catholic since she is in a state of flaunted unrepentant mortal sin. She’s a “cafeteria” catholic with an agenda.

I’m more than certain there are other people who are just as expert if not better on the issue of health care who are true catholics.
 
The Lavender Mafia has promoted and protected its own since its ascendancy into the American Catholic Church hierarchy. In my opinion, this is why pederasts had been shuffled from parish to parish instead of having been laicized; why some religious orders and seminaries had become havens for sodomites; why limp-wristed liturgists had been empowered to give us limp-wristed liturgies (to paraphrase Peter Kreeft); why people like Mary Kay Henry are employed by the Church.

At the Council of Nicaea, Saint Athanasius was credited with stating, “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops,” in reference to scandal caused by the heretical shepherds of his time. We need to pray for our own shepherds.
 
bpbasilphx said:
And while we’re at it let’s examine all the ordinary faithful, starting with you, to make aure they are pure enough, too.
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I’m not sure what your definition of ‘faithful’ is, if its one of: ‘pick which paragraphs in the Catechism apply to one and tear out the sections that don’t meet *my *criteria’ then I can understand you line of reasoning.

I would expect RCIA Catechsis and religious ed instructors to hold the same standard. When one is in a position of authority of sway in the Church they need to be pure of heart and totally on board with Catholic Teaching.

I know that when the lay faithful seek teaching positions RCIA/ religious ed they are asked if they practice the tenants of their faith and walk the walk. In fact, I was asked this question earlier this week after I sought a volunteer position in our RCIA program. I was in no way offended - it let me know the Church administration takes the Faith seriously.

Nobody said she had to be perfect, many do have homosexual tendencies - the difference is how they act on those tendencies and the witness they bear to others. A man was interview not long ago on EWTN, he was a self-profess homosexual / activist in his younger years, however he changed his life and now spends his ‘public witness’ on teaching the truth about homosexual relationships in light of Catholic teaching, he is also happily married.

Nothing wrong with him - he could be a consultant and I would have no problem. Weather its an unrepentant adulterer, drug addict, ect makes not difference. The scandal, as I presume OP was driving at is that she is not concerned with the image she creates in being out of step with core teaching. There is a difference between the inclination to sin (which everyone struggles with) and willfully disregarding the tenants of the faith.
 
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves." (Mt 7:15)

Jesus loves everyone & his Mercy is infinite. He ate with sinners, but they repented & asked for forgiveness. They didn’t flaunt their sins in His face!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
 
gardienbleu said:
The Lavender Mafia has promoted and protected its own since its ascendancy into the American Catholic Church hierarchy. In my opinion, this is why pederasts had been shuffled from parish to parish instead of having been laicized; why some religious orders and seminaries had become havens for sodomites; why limp-wristed liturgists had been empowered to give us limp-wristed liturgies (to paraphrase Peter Kreeft); why people like Mary Kay Henry are employed by the Church.

At the Council of Nicaea, Saint Athanasius was credited with stating, “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops,” in reference to scandal caused by the heretical shepherds of his time. We need to pray for our own shepherds.
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It doesn’t surprise me that pederasts find the priesthood as a perfect cover for their crimes against teenage boys. What is most abhorrent is how others in power have covered for them. One can only wonder about the ulterior motives.

I don’t know what the Lavender Mafia is exactly, but communities that base themselves on sexual orientation can certainly become cult-like in their devotion to each other.
 
Feels like Spring to me… doesn’t it to you?

Well maybe not, but I’m sure it feels like Spring to -her-.
 
glenconnor said:
So because she’s a lesbian she can’t be an expert on health care? I mean, would you react the same way if she was an open pre-marital fornicator? It’s not like she is a practicing abortionist, which is antithetical to our health care stance.
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I would feel the same way. Leaders in the Church should have to adhere to a moral code. Not that any violation of that code in any single incident should result in termination, but continual violations or scandalous violation should result in termination.
 
I need to issue both a retraction and an apology…I had a knee jerk reaction and ranted without actually watching the video the OP provided. I pray next time I’ll have the foresight to think before I rant. Again, my apologies.
 
glenconnor said:
So because she’s a lesbian she can’t be an expert on health care? I mean, would you react the same way if she was an open pre-marital fornicator? It’s not like she is a practicing abortionist, which is antithetical to our health care stance.
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Here is the problem with that argument. Do we want David Duke heading up our health care initiative? Hey may even be an expert. But he cannot represent the church because he is an avowed racist.
 
yosupman said:
Here is the problem with that argument. Do we want David Duke heading up our health care initiative? Hey may even be an expert. But he cannot represent the church because he is an avowed racist.
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You are absolutely correct in this and I was absolutely in the wrong. As I said previously it was just a knee jerk reaction, and I wholeheartedly retract said knee jerk reaction. 🙂
 
My feeling is that we should pray for understanding and conversion if it is possible. A few years back, an older friend to my young daughter told her that she was gay. My daughter was very sad as was I. I knew the young woman’s parents and I felt very sad for the pain their daughter and they would endure in their lives. Rather than pass judgement – I prayed for them. I asked that they find understanding and the Truth. I know what I believe to be the Truth – but I also knew that had this been my daughter telling me this news, I would have been frightened – for her health and soul. I also would have loved her and continued being her mother the best I could. I would not have lectured her or disowned her. I would have loved her and prayed for her,. For her safety, health and for the protection of her soul. But i NEVER would attack! I love her.

My daughter’s friend got married a year ago – seven years after she told her parents she was gay. She later told my daughter that she was confused and truly felt attraction to some women. Perhaps she mixed up the love of friendship with the love a man and a woman feel – I don’t know. She said she found the man who was her “soul mate” and for the first time, she knew what she was feeling before was loneliness. My daughter believes her friend is bi-sexual – but she said with the connection with her husband, she found the happiness she desired most.

I don’t know that I understand all of this – but I do know, that judgment is the wrong approach. Love and prayer will set them and us free of the pain. Whether they later change their opinions about who they are is less important than we allow God and the Holy Spirit to guide them to the Truth.

Jesus asks us to love – not to hate!
 
Pamm said:
My feeling is that we should pray for understanding and conversion if it is possible. A few years back, an older friend to my young daughter told her that she was gay. My daughter was very sad as was I. I knew the young woman’s parents and I felt very sad for the pain their daughter and they would endure in their lives. Rather than pass judgement – I prayed for them. I asked that they find understanding and the Truth. I know what I believe to be the Truth – but I also knew that had this been my daughter telling me this news, I would have been frightened – for her health and soul. I also would have loved her and continued being her mother the best I could. I would not have lectured her or disowned her. I would have loved her and prayed for her,. For her safety, health and for the protection of her soul. But i NEVER would attack! I love her.

My daughter’s friend got married a year ago – seven years after she told her parents she was gay. She later told my daughter that she was confused and truly felt attraction to some women. Perhaps she mixed up the love of friendship with the love a man and a woman feel – I don’t know. She said she found the man who was her “soul mate” and for the first time, she knew what she was feeling before was loneliness. My daughter believes her friend is bi-sexual – but she said with the connection with her husband, she found the happiness she desired most.

I don’t know that I understand all of this – but I do know, that judgment is the wrong approach. Love and prayer will set them and us free of the pain. Whether they later change their opinions about who they are is less important than we allow God and the Holy Spirit to guide them to the Truth.

Jesus asks us to love – not to hate!
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Pamm, there is always a struggle, to stay faithful to the truth, and also show compassion. Jesus did forgive the adultress woman, but he (the living truth), told her to go and sin no more (and live according with that truth). The church is called to be in the world and not of the world. For 40 years our bishops have been to lax in not preaching the truth. The more “compansionate” road was taken. 40 years later we have sex abuse, families broken, a majority of catholics denying definitive teachings. When one witnesses to the truth in a loving way, true compassion is shown for the sinner, and provides a witness to others.
 
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