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gamewell45
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So in other words if I understand your post correctly, the Fed’s will pay for it?
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oldcatholicguy
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I have no clue. I just know that a) someone is going to create policy in response to the Newtown shooting b)said policy will cost money c)money will be found somewhere. It’s not a question of where money will be found, it’s a question of what policy is going to get funded. Frankly I think it is a state issue and the fed should only worry about safeguarding federal schools (such as those on military bases) and putting out suggested guidelines for the states.
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_Abyssinia
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HansTrappist
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Simple: Stop funding and arming the Syrian “rebels” and stop spending money on the Arab “Spring”.
Simple: Stop all Foreign Aid to the Middle East. Actually, stop ALL Foreign Aid immediately until this more immediate and important domestic issue of protecting our school children is fixed.
Simple: End the unconstitutional and abusive TSA and give those funds to State and Local governments for the hiring of more police officers.
Simple: Start closing military bases overseas and bring the troops home.
The fact that taxation was you first idea was telling.
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Brendan
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For general operations, that would be from membership dues from people like me.
For the PAC and other advocacy, that would be from donations solicited for that purpose (again from people like me) and endowment funds that have been build up over the years (again from donations)
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mary_bobo
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I was not aware that the NRA sells guns. I have learned something here.
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ProVobis
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Well, newsflash (as Michelle Malkin says): Every organization sells something and the NRA doesn’t sell baby diapers, directly or indirectly.
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Oakley
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They dont… just another way for libs to twist the facts.
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ProVobis
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seekerz
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You don’t call asking the government to arm a guard for each school, selling guns? What was yesterday’s infomercial about then? Video games?
Source: In Kindergarten Killer, the Video Game the NRA Blamed for School Shootings, Everyone Has a Gun
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mystagogia
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Gun control has become a dogma for many. Nothing can be said against it, no argument will be entertained. Look, when they made schools and other places “Gun Free Zones” observers told them that this action had a twofold effect. One, it would make tragedy there more likely. Two, when that tragedy came it would be more deadly. These predictions could be confidently made based on the understanding of reality.
Reality has no pluck for the gun control activist, but rather a vision of the world without violence. That’s a laudable vision, to be sure. But such a world doesn’t come cheap and easy. It’s not a thing that can be legislated into existence, or else we’d have done it ages ago.
Given that you can’t legislate the Hobbesian elements of this world away, why would you want to legislate away the chief means of defense against it?
That’s folly. That’s false dogma.
Reality has no pluck for the gun control activist, but rather a vision of the world without violence. That’s a laudable vision, to be sure. But such a world doesn’t come cheap and easy. It’s not a thing that can be legislated into existence, or else we’d have done it ages ago.
Given that you can’t legislate the Hobbesian elements of this world away, why would you want to legislate away the chief means of defense against it?
That’s folly. That’s false dogma.
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oldcatholicguy
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I’m glad you know St. Ignorance, it’s a shame you haven’t bothered to meet Brother Actual Facts. He’s really a nice fellow and can teach you a lot.
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St_Francis
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Great information; thanks so muc for sharing your knowledge.
What I am wondering is if we really need 100% coverage, or would the simple knowledge that there is *likely *to be armed people at the school suffice to reduce the likelihood that a shooter will choose a school at which to commit his horror?
Thanks again!
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mystagogia
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We can look at the two recent shootings. In Newtown, the killer shot himself once he heard the police arriving. In Oregon, the mall shooter ducked and took himself out the moment he saw an armed citizen aiming at him. In both cases once the killer’s aura of invincibility was popped, he offed himself.
But, suppose the presence of armed resistance did not stop a killer. It would pose a problem for him nevertheless. It would at least slow him down. In no scenario when a “bad gun” is running the table does a “good gun” pop up as anything but an asset.
And also: the Batman killer drove by seven theaters closer to his house to get to the one that had this posted: “Gun Free Zone”. Why?
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mystagogia
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btw, that theater which billed itself as a “Gun Free Zone” is, in my estimation, liable.
If I show up at such an establishment and they publish such a policy, if they force me to check my gun at their door, then the onus for my protection transfers to them. They’ve assumed it.
Of course nobody in charge of any of these gun free zones assumes jack squat. Those educators who declared our schools gun free zones? They did jack squat for anybody on security. They simply thought of themselves as more enlightened beings for being so wise, and then they move on basking in their own glow. “SCHOOLS AND GUNS DON’T MIX! YEAH” And that was the extent of their security planning for their charges. Seriously. That’s exactly what went down.
And continues to go down. These guys don’t give one second’s thought to security, compared to what they believe are politically correct stances.
If I show up at such an establishment and they publish such a policy, if they force me to check my gun at their door, then the onus for my protection transfers to them. They’ve assumed it.
Of course nobody in charge of any of these gun free zones assumes jack squat. Those educators who declared our schools gun free zones? They did jack squat for anybody on security. They simply thought of themselves as more enlightened beings for being so wise, and then they move on basking in their own glow. “SCHOOLS AND GUNS DON’T MIX! YEAH” And that was the extent of their security planning for their charges. Seriously. That’s exactly what went down.
And continues to go down. These guys don’t give one second’s thought to security, compared to what they believe are politically correct stances.
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_Abyssinia
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Have not found a source that says the NRA directly sell guns
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iamrefreshed
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Police officers walk parades, sporting events, fairs and the like. No reason they can’t walk through schools. Maybe they can spend less time being revenue producers by sitting in a car with a radar gun and do what they were hired for. Not that I blame the officers but I do blame politicians who only see another revenue stream.
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PoorKnight
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Sorry, I was unable to tell whether you were serious about video games playing a roll here or not.
That being said, not only do I believe Violent Video games play a roll, there is at least one study to back that up. Indiana University performed a brain scan study on exposure to violence and its effect on brain activity. What they discovered is that YES, exposure to violence has a PROFOUND effect on the brain. The brain scans show that teens with high exposure to media violence have the same or very similar brain scans to teens who have “documented, diognoses Aggresive Behavior Disorder”. Here is a summary of that study with brain scans:
killology.com/new_media_vio.htm
What I have learned is MANY (some we don’t have the information on) of these killers played violent (especially 1st person shooter games) for hours a day (sometimes as much as 8 hours a day).
The 1st person shooter video games are not just innocent games, their origional design was as a Police and Military TRAINING PROGRAM.
The local tech collage in my area has an “electronic range”; i.e. they can project a scenerio on a screen and the officers react to it as they would, up to and including Deadly Force. The electronic range master told me that there had been two competing companies for electronic ranges. One failed as a Police and Military training company and went into Video Games. He stated that ‘Mad Dog McCree’ was that company’s first game. It was an “Old West” style video game that was all the rage at 6 flags Great America when I was in grade school. It was one of the origional First Person Shooter games: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Dog_McCree
The 1st person shooter video games not only desensities our youth to violence, THEY TRAIN THEM FOR IT!
The evidence is documented in the book Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill. Summary here: killology.com/book_stop_summary.htm
Still having difficulty with the concept that Violent First Person Shooters are training programs? The American Sniper Association frequently recommends certain video games to their police and military snipers to keep their skills up. Both the Military and Police use “electronic ranges” these days. These are just beefed up video games with Movie-sized screens and all.
How about getting a rating system for video games like there is for movies?
Interestingly enough, the Supreme Court ruled that the ESRB ratings of Video Games cannot be enforced, will only be followed on a voluntary basis, and called Violent Video Games “Art”… So I guess all the backdoor and password unlocked adult content in games is just “art” too…
money.cnn.com/2011/06/27/technology/violent_video_games_ruling/index.htm
Again, this is not a “ban all video games” thing. This is just a piece of the puzzle. There are many more pieces to this puzzle we must put into place too.
God Help Us!
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PoorKnight
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Two out of the three following things are nearly always present in fatal car accidents: No Seatbelt, Alcohol and Speed. So in most fatal car crashes speed plays a contributing factor to the death, not just to the crash.
In my state (WI) the government LOSES money everytime I write a ticket, between my pay, the court processing costs etc… Even on OWI’s we don’t see any ‘profit’…
I run speed enforcement to save lives.
I agree with you about the politicians, they also think it is a ‘for profit’ thing… it’s not.
On Patrol, we don’t have time to just “walk through” schools. Between the calls for service and the HOURS of paperwork lawyers require of us for those calls, we don’t have the time.
Plus that’s the whole “there’s never a cop around when you need one” thing. It’s pure happenstance if we’re walking through at the right time. Hence the need for staffed possitions per school.
And, again, some schools don’t want it. Hence the reason it should be law: 2 rifle armed, TRAINED guards per school. More if the school is larger.
God Bless
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