Nra calls for armed police officer in every school

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mystagogia said:
We can look at the two recent shootings. In Newtown, the killer shot himself once he heard the police arriving. In Oregon, the mall shooter ducked and took himself out the moment he saw an armed citizen aiming at him. In both cases once the killer’s aura of invincibility was popped, he offed himself.

But, suppose the presence of armed resistance did not stop a killer. It would pose a problem for him nevertheless. It would at least slow him down. In no scenario when a “bad gun” is running the table does a “good gun” pop up as anything but an asset.

And also: the Batman killer drove by seven theaters closer to his house to get to the one that had this posted: “Gun Free Zone”. Why?
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This is what I’m thinking with the idea that these killers *choose *gun-free zones: that if a school is known to be NOT gun-free, and known to be quite likely to have armed people including police officers at erratic times, that those who want to kill people would choose other places. I suggest this because of the difficulties some communities might have in paying for dedicated police all the time the school is open. I know my county would have that problem.

So would just the possibility of meeting armed resistance cause a killer to be more likely to choose another place?
 
mystagogia said:
We can look at the two recent shootings. In Newtown, the killer shot himself once he heard the police arriving. In Oregon, the mall shooter ducked and took himself out the moment he saw an armed citizen aiming at him. In both cases once the killer’s aura of invincibility was popped, he offed himself.

But, suppose the presence of armed resistance did not stop a killer. It would pose a problem for him nevertheless. It would at least slow him down. In no scenario when a “bad gun” is running the table does a “good gun” pop up as anything but an asset.
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It’s a lot more than just these two: the Majority of these Cowards off themselves when met with armed resistance… ANY armed resistance.

Yes, one TRAINED guard, Officer or civilian, providing effective fire, can pin down the enemy for several minutes…

In my training scenerios I have cops playing the ‘bad guys’ too so they can see how the tactics effect the bad guy too. One Officer’s response to playing the “bad guy” in the face of aggressive fire / tactics by his fellow officer (playing the good guy) was “That was intimidating as H*LL!”

Bad guys suffer from all the physiological responses that good guys do: tunnel vision, audio exculsion, distracting thoughts, time “slow-down” or time “speed up”, panic etc etc. These INCREASE if faced with multiple opponants who are executing a plan aggressively.

God Help Us :signofcross:
 
St_Francis said:
So would just the possibility of meeting armed resistance cause a killer to be more likely to choose another place?
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YES. I have read cases where Terrorist organizations have aborted attacks on locations because of even ONE armed guard. Two would be better though, imho.

God Bless :signofcross:
 
It occurs to me that the Army is right now testing “hover drones” (that might not be the exact nickname for them, but you get the idea) of a foot or so in diameter that are designed for surveillance and intelligence in urban settings.

Could these perhaps prowl school grounds, perhaps even indoors in some cases? Something that size might be possible to fit with a handgun-sized weapon, and they’ve already designed them with spy cameras.

Obviously, they’d have their drawbacks in some ways, but the known presence of one might deter some people…
 
HansTrappist said:
And then you have the fact that the primary of purpose of the Second Amendment is not self-defense from home invasion or street thugs. The primary purpose of the Second Amendment is self-defense from the Government. The purpose of the Second Amendment is to make the Government think twice about engaging in Tyranny. The Founders wrote extensively on the right to keep and bear arms. Unlike the imaginary “right to an abortion” the right to self-defense is a basic human right. It is not even dependent upon a Constitution. It is an absolute, unalienable right.
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It’s amazing that it took 16 pages of commentary before someone demonstrated actual knowledge of the 2nd amendment. People should keep that above quoted comment in mind when making further commentary.
 
ProVobis said:
Well, newsflash (as Michelle Malkin says): Every organization sells something and the NRA doesn’t sell baby diapers, directly or indirectly. :mad:
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Pro, don’t be mad. I’m not attacking you. I just want to know where you get the information that the NRA sells guns directly. If you want to say “indirectly” by their advocacy for 2nd amendment civil rights, or by selling advertising to gun manufacturers in their magazines, ok. I get that.

Jon
 
seekerz said:
You don’t call asking the government to arm a guard for each school, selling guns? What was yesterday’s infomercial about then? Video games?
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No, it wasn’t about selling guns. It was about protecting kids. As I’ve written before, I think the solution they present of the federal government hiring school police is wrong because it isn’t constitutional. But at least they came out with something other than strip law-abiding Americans of their constitutional rights.

Jon
 
ValPal said:
It’s amazing that it took 16 pages of commentary before someone demonstrated actual knowledge of the 2nd amendment. People should keep that above quoted comment in mind when making further commentary.
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People forget that the framers designed a constitution that allows amendments which 3/4 of the states can ratify without Congress. Many have suggested that the phrasing and language of the entire Constitution is obsolete and they have a point. The meanings of English words change all the time.
 
ProVobis said:
People forget that the framers designed a constitution that allows amendments which 3/4 of the states can ratify without Congress. Many have suggested that the phrasing and language of the entire Constitution is obsolete and they have a point. The meanings of English words change all the time.
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I’m not sure what any of this has to do with the reason the 2nd Amendment is there. People forget that Bill of Rights serves to protect the natural rights of liberty and property, and as a check against government.
 
ProVobis said:
People forget that the framers designed a constitution that allows amendments which 3/4 of the states can ratify without Congress. .
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Article 5 of the Constitution states:
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Many have suggested that the phrasing and language of the entire Constitution is obsolete and they have a point. The meanings of English words change all the time
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This is why the original intent must always be the measure of constitutionality. Language does change, but the rights of the people, and limited power of the government cannot, except by amendment.

Jon
 
_Abyssinia said:
Do not understand, to purchase a gun is a choice as it is to join the NRA
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I would proffer that most people who are members of the NRA had guns before they joined that organization. After all, it is set up to protect the 2nd Amendment. Those who are members wish to help with that goal.
 
colmywaykurtz said:
It occurs to me that the Army is right now testing “hover drones” (that might not be the exact nickname for them, but you get the idea) of a foot or so in diameter that are designed for surveillance and intelligence in urban settings.

Could these perhaps prowl school grounds, perhaps even indoors in some cases? Something that size might be possible to fit with a handgun-sized weapon, and they’ve already designed them with spy cameras.

Obviously, they’d have their drawbacks in some ways, but the known presence of one might deter some people…
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Looks like somebody beat me to the idea.

chronicle.su/news/operation-vigilant-drone-program-to-police-american-schools/
 
Who’s listening to the NRA? We don’t need more armed cops in schools, what we need are politicians who keep their mouths shut more often and start actually doing their jobs. We need reporters who are not politicians themselves, but rather true objective reporters, like we had back in the 70s and 80’s.

Just like what happened to our airports, windbags will try to do all across our nation. I don’t feel one bit safer today in an airport than I did on 9-12… I feel more threatened in fact.

Our biggest problem today is people without spines, who follow politicians working in news studios.

…there, I said it. And I feel better getting that off my chest.
 
TEPO said:
Our biggest problem today is people without spines, who follow politicians working in news studios.
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You obviously don’t know anything. Can’t you see that another useless draconian law will keep us all safer? Can’t you see that if we just pass one** more gun-control law the three hundred million guns that exist in this country will magically disappear?
 
nitesnake said:
You obviously don’t know anything. Can’t you see that another useless draconian law will keep us all safer? Can’t you see that if we just pass one** more gun-control law the three hundred million guns that exist in this country will magically disappear?
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The right solution to this is looking forward toward a proper and respectful burial for the victims and a national ceremony for the families who need the support of other American people… This is the only ‘solution’ in my opinion.

This is not the time for playing politics from either side… There is nothing that’s needs to be done in regards to politics.
 
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