Nra calls for armed police officer in every school

[kimmielittle]

Arm and defend themselves at Mass?

Thursday, Dec. 24, 2009.

Witness video obtained by The Associated Press showed a woman dressed in a red hooded sweat shirt vaulting over the wooden barriers that cordoned off the basilica’s main aisle and rushing toward the pope before being swarmed by bodyguards.

The video showed the woman grabbing the pope’s vestments as she was taken down by guards, with Benedict then falling on top of her.

It was the second year in a row that there had been a security breach at the Christmas Eve service and this was the most serious incident involving the public in Benedict’s five-year papacy. At the end of last year’s Mass, a woman who had jumped the barriers got close to the pope but was quickly blocked on the ground by security.

pjstar.com/news/x664193264/Pope-knocked-down-by-woman-at-Christmas-Mass

The sane prepare by defending themselves from both the evil morally bankrupt ] and insane.

 

[TEPO]

I was reading about Columbine…the two that did that, they made pipe bombs, designed to be a distraction. That’s what I mean.

I am sure you were being sarcastic!

When I was in high school, there were bomb threats all the time. Once, a small bomb actually did go off -I think a kid taped a bunch of m-80’s together and tossed them into another kids locker… I knew the kid who did it, he said he knew how to make pipe bombs too.

…yeah, I tried out the public HS for one year….

 

[meltzerboy]

Thursday, Dec. 24, 2009.

pjstar.com/news/x664193264/Pope-knocked-down-by-woman-at-Christmas-Mass

The sane prepare by defending themselves from both the evil morally bankrupt ] and insane.

Bodyguards and security officers, yes. However, do you believe everyone who is licensed to carry guns should go to Mass packing firearms?

 

[TimeEntrance]

When the time comes, and it just may happen, should we have armed guards at every mass?

That’s up to the parish. I believe in inner-city Detroit some small Protestant churches contract armed security guards to watch the external areas of the church.

The inner-city parish my mother attends Mass at in Milwaukee contracts unarmed (unless they’re carrying concealed and I don’t know it, but I doubt it) security to watch the door and the parking lot. More an observational security to deter or stop auto theft or maybe parishioners being robbed entering or existing the church.

I got no problem carrying firearms into church. I wouldn’t be opposed to getting a future pistol or rifle of mine blessed by a priest.

I learned awhile ago that you can’t beat life. You can only survive it. At best you can thrive in it. We live in a winner take all world. I have two masters: Jesus Christ and Charles Darwin. I accept the predator-prey relationship of life with a blank, stoic face. Because of Jesus Christ I will pray for my opponent after I dispatch him or her from earth.

Semper.

 

[TEPO]

That’s up to the parish. I believe in inner-city Detroit some small Protestant churches contract armed security guards to watch the external areas of the church.

The inner-city parish my mother attends Mass at in Milwaukee contracts unarmed (unless they’re carrying concealed and I don’t know it, but I doubt it) security to watch the door and the parking lot. More an observational security to deter or stop auto theft or maybe parishioners being robbed entering or existing the church.

I got no problem carrying firearms into church. I wouldn’t be opposed to getting a future pistol or rifle of mine blessed by a priest.

I learned awhile ago that you can’t beat life. You can only survive it. At best you can thrive in it. We live in a winner take all world. I have two masters: Jesus Christ and Charles Darwin. I accept the predator-prey relationship of life with a blank, stoic face. Because of Jesus Christ I will pray for my opponent after I dispatch him or her from earth.

Semper.

You can’t have two masters and still consider yourself Catholic. Defending yourself or your family has nothing to do with Darwin or “predator-prey” relationships… It has everything to do with justification, which is a God given virtue or grace.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Bodyguards and security officers, yes. However, do you believe everyone who is licensed to carry guns should go to Mass packing firearms?

Why not? If my intent is only self-defense, a gun is no more lethal or offensive than a set of car keys. Cell phones in church are more offensive.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Why not? If my intent is only self-defense, a gun is no more lethal or offensive than a set of car keys. Cell phones in church are more offensive.

Keys and cell phones (turned off, or set to vibrate) are not designed to take life. Police I could understand. I’m a paramedic and have attended Mass while on duty. I am self conscious about being a distraction with my uniform and the tools I carry on my body; radio (turned way down and I sit by the doors), scissors, penlight, tape, stethoscope, etc.

As our Bishops said in their statement dated 12/23/12, Be not afraid.

I just can’t reconcile the the whole armed society and Christ’s teachings, for myself.

 

[kimmielittle]

Bodyguards and security officers, yes. However, do you believe everyone who is licensed to carry guns should go to Mass packing firearms?

Bodyguards and security officers, yes.

That sounds very elitist…almost leftist type logic?

Security for thee - but not for me?

Mr Obama,and many of the elitist MSM, seem to feel / think the same…I.e. “no armed guards at school”. Yet, where do they enroll their children given the money to do so ]?

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service.

However, do you believe everyone who is** licensed to carry**

If they are ** “licensed to carry”** - they have passed ALL STATE and FEDERAL security requirements. The same requirements that a ** paid ** “bodyguard” or “security officer” has to pass in order to carry.

However, do you believe everyone who is licensed to carry guns should go to Mass packing firearms?

Do you believe that Church - Synagogue or School doors keep the morally bankrupt evil ] or insane, at bay?

The sane prepare by defending themselves from both the evil morally bankrupt ] and insane.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

I just can’t reconcile the the whole armed society and Christ’s teachings, for myself.

We are part of a form of government that did not exist when Christ was here. The Roman government at the time was an armed society for the Romans only if I am not mistaken. I do not believe Jews or other cultures within the empire were allowed to have arms (although I could be wrong on that point). Nonetheless, Jesus did not oppose that form of government. That’s not why he came. He came to save us from sin and death, not be in favor of or opposed to a particular form of government which includes one which allows or does not allow it’s citizens to bear arms.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

We are part of a form of government that did not exist when Christ was here. The Roman government at the time was an armed society for the Romans only if I am not mistaken. I do not believe Jews or other cultures within the empire were allowed to have arms (although I could be wrong on that point). Nonetheless, Jesus did not oppose that form of government. That’s not why he came. He came to save us from sin and death, not be in favor of or opposed to a particular form of government which includes one which allows or does not allow it’s citizens to bear arms.

I don’t care about what government one wants to speak of, I can’t reconcile calling for an armed society with His teachings.

Jesus said render unto Caesar that which was Caesar’s, and to God that which was God’s. He didn’t teach becoming a part of that government, or overthrowing it. He encouraged everyone to become a part of the ever lasting kingdom.

 

[kimmielittle]

I don’t care about what government one wants to speak of, I can’t reconcile calling for an armed society with His teachings.

You would not use deadly force to protect your daughter from a life and death attack from the morally bankrupt?

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

I don’t care about what government one wants to speak of, I can’t reconcile calling for an armed society with His teachings.

Jesus said render unto Caesar that which was Caesar’s, and to God that which was God’s. He didn’t teach becoming a part of that government, or overthrowing it. He encouraged everyone to become a part of the ever lasting kingdom.

I don’t understand what you can’t reconcile with Christ’s teachings regarding an armed society. Perhaps you could elaborate.

I agree with you that Jesus did not advocate becoming part of a government or overthrowing it. And that he desires us to become part of the everlasting Kingdom. However, your statements do not conflict with whether one is part of an armed society or not.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

You would not use deadly force to protect your daughter from a life and death attack from the morally bankrupt?

Of course I would. I would also make sure my guns are secure and safe from falling into the wrong hands. I would have no qualms about a required documentation of transfer of ownership, to prevent illicit gun sales. I have no problem with a 5 round clip, max. What kind of hunter needs a 30 round clip, or 100 round drum? I wouldn’t find it an infringement on my rights to require insurance, training, and mental disclosures for everyone that has access to my house, to own certain military replicas.

The title of this thread is NRA calls for armed police officer in every school. The most recent attack on first responders, cost the life of a police Lt.

I am ready for common sense controls, for the safety of our officers and our public. Are you?

 

[TEPO]

I don’t care about what government one wants to speak of, I can’t reconcile calling for an armed society with His teachings.

Jesus said render unto Caesar that which was Caesar’s, and to God that which was God’s. He didn’t teach becoming a part of that government, or overthrowing it. He encouraged everyone to become a part of the ever lasting kingdom.

According to God, we have the right to shoot and kill to protect ourselves and our families here on earth. Justification is a virtue.

 

[kimmielittle]

I can’t reconcile calling for an armed society with His teachings.

IMO you keep trying to place the blame in the wrong corner I.e. “Armed society”.

We would also not need “Confession” - “The Sacrament of Reconciliation”, either.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I don’t understand what you can’t reconcile with Christ’s teachings regarding an armed society. Perhaps you could elaborate.

I agree with you that Jesus did not advocate becoming part of a government or overthrowing it. And that he desires us to become part of the everlasting Kingdom. However, your statements do not conflict with whether one is part of an armed society or not.

Turn the other cheek, whoever would save his life, will lose his life, whoever gives his life for His namesake will save his life, those who take the sword shall perish by the sword, love one another as He loved us including our enemies. Christ gave us a higher calling than planning on an armed society. He told us to seek a conversion of hearts.

The Church teaches self defense, and the limitations. It also addresses those with the authority over the common good of the civil community.

There are more ways of self defense than arming every citizen in this country. Some legislation could be a self defense, and certain legislation is needed and would not be an infringement on our rights.

 

[St_Francis]

Of course I would. I would also make sure my guns are secure and safe from falling into the wrong hands. I would have no qualms about a required documentation of transfer of ownership, to prevent illicit gun sales. I have no problem with a 5 round clip, max. What kind of hunter needs a 30 round clip, or 100 round drum? I wouldn’t find it an infringement on my rights to require insurance, training, and mental disclosures for everyone that has access to my house, to own certain military replicas.

The title of this thread is NRA calls for armed police officer in every school. The most recent attack on first responders, cost the life of a police Lt.

Are you talking about the man who set a fire and shot at the fire fighters, killing 2 and wounding 2? It doesn’t seem that he shot any police officers, and notice that the laws preventing him, as a convicted felon, from access to firearms did not keep him from committing this deadly and cowardly act.

He was convicted of manslaughter in te death of his 92-year-old grandmother, and served 17 years in prison, came out and killed his sister, the two fire fighters, and himself.

I am ready for common sense controls, for the safety of our officers and our public. Are you?

Like that people convicted of killing their grandmothers should not be allowed to own guns?

 

[snowpea]

It would be naive to think a gun “ban” would stop people who go on these murderous rampages.

Most crimes with guns are done by people who are not legal gun owners, they got them illegally either by stealing them or buying them on the black market

Current laws do work (i.e. waiting period).

The Newtown killer was denied from buying a gun at a sporting goods store so he went home and took his mother’s guns.

I do think the laws should be extended to gun shows though,

Metal detectors and an armed guard are not comfortable things to think about but for the time being I think they are necessary, think how many lives would have been saved in Newtown if there was just one person with a gun.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Are you talking about the man who set a fire and shot at the fire fighters, killing 2 and wounding 2? It doesn’t seem that he shot any police officers, and notice that the laws preventing him, as a convicted felon, from access to firearms did not keep him from committing this deadly and cowardly act.

He was convicted of manslaughter in te death of his 92-year-old grandmother, and served 17 years in prison, came out and killed his sister, the two fire fighters, and himself.

Like that people convicted of killing their grandmothers should not be allowed to own guns?

4 firefighters shot, 2 killed at Webster, N.Y., fire

The dead are Webster Police Lt. Mike Chiapperini, 43, a volunteer firefighter and the police department’s public information officer, and Tomasz Kaczowka, 19, who worked as a 911 dispatcher for Monroe County. Chiapperini was named “Firefighter of the Year” two weeks ago.

He was not allowed to own guns. Through private sales, and gun shows, registration can be circumvented.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

USCCB Committees Call For Action In Response To Newtown Tragedy

December 21, 2012

In the face of the horrific evil that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012, as people of faith we first and foremost turn to God and pray. We pray for those whose lives were robbed from them. As Catholic Bishops, we join together with the President of our Conference, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who on the day of the horrible tragedy expressed his profound solidarity with and prayers for the families, friends, neighbors, and communities whose hearts have been rent by the loss of a child or loved one. No words can capture your suffering. We look to Christ, his words and deeds, and ultimately to his Cross and Resurrection. It is in Jesus that we place our hope.
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With regard to the regulation of fire arms, first, the intent to protect one’s loved ones is an honorable one, but simply put, guns are too easily accessible. The Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, in their document, “The International Arms Trade (2006),” emphasized the importance of enacting concrete controls on handguns, for example, noting that “limiting the purchase of such arms would certainly not infringe on the rights of anyone.”
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The events in Newtown call us to turn to our Lord in prayer and to witness more profoundly Christ’s perfect love, mercy and compassion. We must confront violence with love.

There are glimmers of hope in this tragedy. Many people, including some of the victims, made extraordinary efforts to protect life. In particular, the teachers, the principal, the children, the first responders and other leaders showed tremendous courage during the tragedy. Some sacrificed their own lives protecting others.

In their memory and for the sake of our nation, we reiterate our call made in 2000, in our statement, Responsibility, Rehabilitation and Restoration: A Catholic Perspective on Crime and Criminal Justice, for all Americans, especially legislators, to:

1.Support measures that control the sale and use of firearms

2.Support measures that make guns safer (especially efforts that prevent their unsupervised use by children and anyone other than the owner)

3.Call for sensible regulations of handguns

4.Support legislative efforts that seek to protect society from the violence associated with easy access to deadly weapons including assault weapons

5.Make a serious commitment to confront the pervasive role of addiction and mental illness in crime.

As we long for the arrival of the Prince of Peace in this Advent and Christmas season, we call on all people of goodwill to help bring about a culture of life and peace.

I agree with the Bishops.