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Scott_Lafrance
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Well-regulated, in its proper context, means “well-organized, trained, and equipped”. A militia is also completely independent of the federal government, so the “National Guard” doesn’t qualify as a militia.
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Prodigal_Son1
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There’s no honesty in politics. That wouldn’t have been stated had conservatives placed another administration. When I grew up, it was all still Americans, in the interest of the majority.
We have turned into a country of me, me, me, but it’s not necessarily people depending on the government. It’s people placing their own personal interest above the interest of others.
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Monkey1976
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Kind of ironic how one of the Democrats’ idols is the same man who said, “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country”.
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Prodigal_Son1
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You left out ‘reasoned’, as in reasonable. A militia doesn’t give me right to own a tank, grenades, or grenade launchers. Some have a delusional idea that their guns would prevent government from acting in the interest of the majority. The ‘militia’ as you describe it, lost it’s effectiveness, as you describe it, several wars ago. Wars fought in the interest of democracy, or all the people of this country.
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smndtupidisaftr
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Prodigal_Son1
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Does one part override another part?
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smndtupidisaftr
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You’re arguing that only militias can have weapons.
I’m arguing that everyone can.
Which one is an exclusionary argument? So you should be asking yourself that question.
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Prodigal_Son1
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The State has the necessary militia for the protection of all it’s citizens.
You should ask how your right to bear arms overrides other people’s right to life…
Reasonable suggestions were made to help control guns, we see the ‘well thought out responses’, ‘gun controls don’t work’ but we haven’t tried…‘doesn’t matter, they haven’t worked out, so nothing new will work.’ Maybe stricter registration, to track who is responsible for guns, gun controls don’t work. What about requiring safe storage when guns are in use…gun controls don’t work.
One solution has been offered, let’s turn our schools into mini prisons, and raise our children to think guns in civilian hands will always be necessary.
A man in a police station, took an officer’s gun. He shot 3 policemen before they killed him. That just happened. So, arming teachers guarantees the children’s safety how?
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Brendan
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If we want to use the Colonial model, then yes, the militias owned artillery and had cav units.
Grape shot in the cannon was even the contemporary equivalent to a machine gun.
All in private hands.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Oh the outrage!!! The government took back the artillery!!!
Things have changed considerably, since the 2nd amendment was written. Many laws have been written and rewritten. But this one must stand!!! Good luck with us trying to convince the government of our sincerity of trying to change other ‘unjust’ laws.
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Scott_Lafrance
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There, fixed it for you.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Yea, it’s funny. Guffaw, guffaw.There, fixed it for you.
It’s America, in the interest of all, according to the majority. As I said, if a conservative had been placed in the administration, such would not be stated. In fact, I’m quite shocked at all the anti-American sentiment displayed on these forums, by ‘Americans’.
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scipio337
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I’m not sure what you consider “anti-American”, PS1. The founding fathers were pretty distrustful of government, and I wouldn’t consider them “anti-American”, especially considering they risked life and fortune fighting for it.Yea, it’s funny. Guffaw, guffaw.
It’s America, in the interest of all, according to the majority. As I said, if a conservative had been placed in the administration, such would not be stated. In fact, I’m quite shocked at all the anti-American sentiment displayed on these forums, by ‘Americans’.
A recent article I read laid it out pretty well:
nationalreview.com/articles/336529/regulating-militia-kevin-d-williamson?pg=1
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St_Francis
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I was born in the late 1950s. The nation has changed. I saw huge and major changes in the 60s, and I have been watching the fruition of those attempts since the 1990s, when members of that generation achieved positions of power.
What has happened to our nation? Feminism; “progressivism;” erosion of subsidiarity esp in education; erosion of families through ill-conceived welfare laws, sex ed, abc, no-fault divorce, co-habitation…
What has happened to our nation? A huge drop in [Catholic] church attendance since the 1950s, from over 80% to around 25%.
What has happened to our nation? The necessity of both parents to work *just *to keep up with inflation. Continual encroachment on property rights. Increased control of minutae in businesses.
What happened to our nation? It was based on Calvinist principles, and lasted only as long as what little Catholic social capital existed at the beginning lasted.
And in the end, what happened to or nation? Concupiscence, just like every other society.
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Prodigal_Son1
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America is still a young country, by many standards, yet 200+ years has built into something that will not be dramatically changed; especially by those who consider themselves our nations ‘militia’ because they have guns.
Much of the ‘anti-American’ rhetoric comes from partisanship and not nationality. We’ve seen both parties in control; they come and go, and we haven’t turned into the demonized characterizations lay at her feet by ‘disgruntled’ partisans. 2004, conservatives preached, ‘it’s over, America is lost, this administration will destroy our country.’ Yet, here we are, admittedly facing some serious struggles, but this administration was handed many of those problems. I know, partisans will argue, ‘it started under Bill Clinton!’, anything to deny any responsibility on their ‘glorified’ party.
That’s the problem with our country. It’s lost respect for America, because of partisan politics. You may have heard, there are no atheists in foxholes; well, there’s not partisans in foxholes either. You’ll only find Americans in those holes, fighting for the good of our country.
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St_Francis
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I would think that the example of the past few wars the US has been involved with show that a determined, minimally armed guerilla army can defeat all our armaments.
We have seen what *can *happen when power is overly centealized, as it is in te US now. And we have also seen that a mighty army can be defeated by people who have nothing more than small arms.
Obama seems bad to us. He asks Congress to give up some of the powers granted to them by the Constitution to him. He lies about what his adminstration is doing. He plays favorites and targets people as enemies of the nation when they only disagree with him.
In addition there is the econimic situation of our nation, which is really very bad, worse than what Obama’s adminstration tells us. (And btw I do not put all the blame on Obama, just the current situation.) What will happen as more people become more desperate?
There is a reason that some look at any moves towards restricting gun ownership with grave suspicion.
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Scott_Lafrance
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American have ALWAYS been distrustful of government and anyone who seeks to be in government. To think differently is to declare a fundamental lack of understanding of our history.Yea, it’s funny. Guffaw, guffaw.
It’s America, in the interest of all, according to the majority. As I said, if a conservative had been placed in the administration, such would not be stated. In fact, I’m quite shocked at all the anti-American sentiment displayed on these forums, by ‘Americans’.
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Prodigal_Son1
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You left out, we gave up on our country and grabbed on to our partisan political views for self interest! ME, ME, ME, that’s all that matters.
Look at these discussions now, social justice; well, let’s see, we have 2000 years of Catholic writings, I’m sure I can find something to support ‘not for the common good, but my own personal good, according to my own views.’
The Bishops spoke on gun control; well, let’s see, ‘I’m at liberty to disagree.’ Only disagree has become totally ignore. Ignore has gone over to disrespect, ‘well, they have no experience,’ and much worse, that I won’t repeat.
The list can go on and on.
It’s so wrong, in my opinion, to have politicized our Church, which politicizes Christ. There is a Gospel message, and it was never intended to become litigious. Christ did not command that the Apostles go out and make lawyers of everyone, so they can understand His Gospel. His truth is so that the simplest person can understand it, and hear His voice. Love God, and love one another, even your enemies. Pray for forgiveness, as you forgive. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give shelter to the poor, care for the sick, and visit the imprisoned. No one is left out.
People have confused the differences between Church and state, so that they are now on par with each other in their eyes. We are to give to Caesar that which is Caesar’s. It doesn’t say, take your rights from Caesar, it says give unto God, that which is God’s. That is our total selves.
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_Abyssinia
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Problem is militia is being interpreted by some to assume a goverment group but that is not what the early statesmen and others saw it as
cap-n-ball.com/fathers.htm
Richard Henry Lee wrote in a letter to the Repyblican from the Federal Farmer XVIII 1788, May
A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves .…
When James Madison who is called the father of the Constitution spoke of the militia in 1784 he said of
the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation
He compared that with
the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms
In I Annuals of Congress 434 June 8, 1789 he said
The right of the people to keep and bear … arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country
Called father of the Bill of Rights, George Mason said
I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them
There is zero evidence from federalist papers, founding fathers, supreme court decisions or American legal commentators from the earliest days of the founding of America that say the second amendment was only for militia
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Prodigal_Son1
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You’re lucky. There was a time that line of thought would have been considered treason.
Are we trusting in God, when we speak of how much worse it can become when people become more desperate? If we truly cared for one another as He taught us, we’d have nothing to worry about. Instead, we make it well known, I have an armament and I will kill those who trespass on me!!!
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