Nra calls for armed police officer in every school

[TimeEntrance]

One solution has been offered, let’s turn our schools into mini prisons, and raise our children to think guns in civilian hands will always be necessary.

In my view there what I call the “is world” and the “should world.” I try to live in the “is world.” In the “should world” I might address realities about how my environment around me should be. But in the “is world” I just accept that my environment is the way it is. What one might term life on life’s terms.

To me life in the United States may have just come to reach a point where armed guards in schools is just a practical response to a national and cultural phenomenon in a chaotic world. And a world in which U.S. culture has changed marked degrees (for good and/or ill) from what it was generations ago.

From a survival standpoint, it is in my opinion, reasonable to view Americans known and unknown to you as potential protagonists. In a more academic, scientific, or logical sense one might think of it as the difference between Type 1 and 2 Errors.

A long the way you may meet very good friends, comrades, some with patience and loyalty. You may cross paths with strangers that extend great courtesy and charity. But you undoubtedly will cross paths with persons that may potentially commit your homicide. Law-abiding citizens and hoodlums, cops and bankers alike, that might bury your bones and soon-to-be decomposing flesh underneath concrete or earth before they “lose.”

A man in a police station, took an officer’s gun. He shot 3 policemen before they killed him. That just happened. So, arming teachers guarantees the children’s safety how?

Excellent example and rhetorical question. You are correct. No one can be hyper-vigilent 24/7. At some point we all relax or have to place ourselves in one or more vulnerable positions. Think of having to go sit on the toilet in a stall in a public bathroom. Sleeping at night (or day) is one every human has to surrender to.

While not impossible, it is very difficult to stop someone of reasonable intelligence from committing one or more types of homicides if they are seriously committed. The U.S. Presidency draws upon an incredible array and amount of resources to prevent such things being executed successfully by the protagonists of the U.S. President. Most of us have far less resources at our disposal.

This young female cop found shot to death while on duty, in a predominately well-off suburb of Milwaukee, was shot to death by her husband with his pistol and then with her own police issued semi-automatic pistol. And I seriously doubt it had anything to do with her being “a bad” cop lacking vigilance and awareness. We don’t have eyes in the back of our heads, and we naturally relax our guards in certain places or around certain people.

Those that think owning a gun = always prevailing, are wrong. Even one or a few armed sentry in every public school of the United States (may deter) will not de facto guarantee a committed person will not be able to carry out one or more murders on said property.

That said, I’d rather be caught with a gun than without one, especially in an instance that quickly turns into a gun fight.

White male, Iraq War veteran, U.S. Marine, by perception of this thread a law-abiding citizen the very contradiction of some of the more swarthy male members of the U.S. inner-cities. I don’t know, I’ve never murdered anyone (although being a murderer is inside of me I realize) but then… I’ve (fortunately or unfortunately) have gotten use to losing. For many American bred males in a win or lose culture, losing is a fate worse than death or a lifetime in prison.

wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/Husband-of-slain-officer-charged-with-first-degree-intentional-homicide/-/10148890/17911062/-/f82ax2z/-/index.html

Husband of slain officer charged with first-degree intentional homicide
Bail set at $1 million for Benjamin Sebena

WAUWATOSA, Wis. —The husband of a police officer gunned down while on duty Christmas Eve has been charged with first-degree intentional homicide.

The complaint said she suffered five gunshot wounds to the head. Two of the bullets were from a 9 mm firearm and three others were from a .40-caliber firearm.

The complaint also states that Sebena told officers that he had been stalking his wife for several days. On Dec. 24, he told officers that he “laid in wait” for several hours.

According to the complaint, Benjamin Sebena fired at his wife as she emerged from a break at the fire department. After firing two rounds from his gun, he said he took her service weapon and shot her “three or four times.”

Benjamin Sebena is an Iraq War Marine veteran who was awarded the Purple Heart. He’s featured in a 2010 video released by Elmbrook Church in Brookfield in which he spoke about his wife.

 

[meltzerboy]

In my view there what I call the “is world” and the “should world.” I try to live in the “is world.” In the “should world” I might address realities about how my environment around me should be. But in the “is world” I just accept that my environment is the way it is. What one might term life on life’s terms.

To me life in the United States may have just come to reach a point where armed guards in schools is just a practical response to a national and cultural phenomenon in a chaotic world. And a world in which U.S. culture has changed marked degrees (for good and/or ill) from what it was generations ago.

From a survival standpoint, it is in my opinion, reasonable to view Americans known and unknown to you as potential protagonists. In a more academic, scientific, or logical sense one might think of it as the difference between Type 1 and 2 Errors.

A long the way you may meet very good friends, comrades, some with patience and loyalty. You may cross paths with strangers that extend great courtesy and charity. But you undoubtedly will cross paths with persons that may potentially commit your homicide. Law-abiding citizens and hoodlums, cops and bankers alike, that might bury your bones and soon-to-be decomposing flesh underneath concrete or earth before they “lose.”

Excellent example and rhetorical question. You are correct. No one can be hyper-vigilent 24/7. At some point we all relax or have to place ourselves in one or more vulnerable positions. Think of having to go sit on the toilet in a stall in a public bathroom. Sleeping at night (or day) is one every human has to surrender to.

While not impossible, it is very difficult to stop someone of reasonable intelligence from committing one or more types of homicides if they are seriously committed. The U.S. Presidency draws upon an incredible array and amount of resources to prevent such things being executed successfully by the protagonists of the U.S. President. Most of us have far less resources at our disposal.

This young female cop found shot to death while on duty, in a predominately well-off suburb of Milwaukee, was shot to death by her husband with his pistol and then with her own police issued semi-automatic pistol. And I seriously doubt it had anything to do with her being “a bad” cop lacking vigilance and awareness. We don’t have eyes in the back of our heads, and we naturally relax our guards in certain places or around certain people.

Those that think owning a gun = always prevailing, are wrong. Even one or a few armed sentry in every public school of the United States (may deter) will not de facto guarantee a committed person will not be able to carry out one or more murders on said property.

That said, I’d rather be caught with a gun than without one, especially in an instance that quickly turns into a gun fight.

White male, Iraq War veteran, U.S. Marine, by perception of this thread a law-abiding citizen the very contradiction of some of the more swarthy male members of the U.S. inner-cities. I don’t know, I’ve never murdered anyone (although being a murderer is inside of me I realize) but then… I’ve (fortunately or unfortunately) have gotten use to losing. For many American bred males in a win or lose culture, losing is a fate worse than death or a lifetime in prison.

wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/Husband-of-slain-officer-charged-with-first-degree-intentional-homicide/-/10148890/17911062/-/f82ax2z/-/index.html

Instead of accepting the environment the way it is in what you call the ‘is world,’ as distinct from the ‘should world,’ why not work in some small way to change the former to the latter? Otherwise, we may all just as well be observers of the steady decline, moral and otherwise, of humanity. Don’t misunderstand me: I’m not some pollyanna optimist, but I also think we must safeguard against giving in to a kind of pessimistic realism about the world.

 

[ChurchSoldier]

I have not read all 40 pages of this thread, but the general idea as I see it from those who want to restrict our rights goes like this: We create places where vulnerable people are defenseless to keep them safe. Evil visits and a lot of them die. We hate that so we want to make everyone just as defenseless…

“Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them.” Albert Einstein

 

[meltzerboy]

I have not read all 40 pages of this thread, but the general idea as I see it from those who want to restrict our rights goes like this: We create places where vulnerable people are defenseless to keep them safe. Evil visits and a lot of them die. We hate that so we want to make everyone just as defenseless…

“Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them.” Albert Einstein

I suggest you read a few more pages of the thread. The argument against guns in every school is more complex than what you state.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I have not read all 40 pages of this thread, but the general idea as I see it from those who want to restrict our rights goes like this: We create places where vulnerable people are defenseless to keep them safe. Evil visits and a lot of them die. We hate that so we want to make everyone just as defenseless…

“Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them.” Albert Einstein

I think you summed it up perfectly. The only way to keep people safe is by making them helpless.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I suggest you read a few more pages of the thread. The argument against guns in every school is more complex than what you state.

No. He hit the nail right on the head.

 

[TimeEntrance]

Instead of accepting the environment the way it is in what you call the ‘is world,’ as distinct from the ‘should world,’ why not work in some small way to change the former to the latter? Otherwise, we may all just as well be observers of the steady decline, moral and otherwise, of humanity. Don’t misunderstand me: I’m not some pollyanna optimist, but I also think we must safeguard against giving in to a kind of pessimistic realism about the world.

I knew someone would reply with something the near-same or akin to what you did.

I can’t reasonably deny such counter points have merit. After all, women would not have suffrage, Jim Crow would not have ended, if there were not numbers of people willing to stand up and be counted in opposition to the prevailing norms of the time.

On the other hand, I’m pessimistic, and in my view both conservatives and liberals in the U.S. have chosen a trajectory for their nation somewhat akin to Adam and Eve biting into the forbidden fruit of the garden. I don’t think either wants to really see much of the cultural underlining problems of violence in the U.S. solved - partly due to indoctrination and partly due to seeing the “other” not as themselves or their “brothers” and “sisters.” In this case brothers since most if not all violent mass shooters are male.

So, for me it behooves me just to accept the way the world (or my parochial environment within my city) is, and it would behoove me to arm myself and protect myself from Americans. The terms like “law-abiding” and “criminal” are as meaningless to me as male and female, tall and short, or heterosexual from homosexual. They are more akin to each other than what they think. And rules or following rules are not sufficient for me to view them as radically different as to be two different species.

Come game day - and whether with hands, knives, or guns game day will always come - I intend on winning the battle. If not winning then hopefully surviving. And on that game day I don’t plan on trying to figure out why he is doing X or what laws failed to provide for X, I plan on sending him to his coffin with an American flag draped over it, irrespective of what superficial label of law-abiding or criminal he places upon himself. This is America, and it is a winner take all game.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

So, for me it behooves me just to accept the way the world (or my parochial environment within my city) is, and it would behoove me to arm myself and protect myself from Americans. The terms like “law-abiding” and “criminal” are as meaningless to me as male and female, tall and short, or heterosexual from homosexual. They are more akin to each other than what they think. And rules or following rules are not sufficient for me to view them as radically different as to be two different species.

Come game day - and whether with hands, knives, or guns game day will always come - I intend on winning the battle. If not winning then hopefully surviving. And on that game day I don’t plan on trying to figure out why he is doing X or what laws failed to provide for X, I plan on sending him to his coffin with an American flag draped over it, irrespective of what superficial label of law-abiding or criminal he places upon himself. This is America, and it is a winner take all game.

If this is how you truely feel about America, and that there is no difference between law abiding and criminal, male and female, etc… then you should invest in a top quality tin-foil hat and lock yourself in a lead lined underground bunker…for your own safety, of course.

 

[meltzerboy]

I knew someone would reply with something the near-same or akin to what you did.

I can’t reasonably deny such counter points have merit. After all, women would not have suffrage, Jim Crow would not have ended, if there were not numbers of people willing to stand up and be counted in opposition to the prevailing norms of the time.

On the other hand, I’m pessimistic, and in my view both conservatives and liberals in the U.S. have chosen a trajectory for their nation somewhat akin to Adam and Eve biting into the forbidden fruit of the garden. I don’t think either wants to really see much of the cultural underlining problems of violence in the U.S. solved - partly due to indoctrination and partly due to seeing the “other” not as themselves or their “brothers” and “sisters.” In this case brothers since most if not all violent mass shooters are male.

So, for me it behooves me just to accept the way the world (or my parochial environment within my city) is, and it would behoove me to arm myself and protect myself from Americans. The terms like “law-abiding” and “criminal” are as meaningless to me as male and female, tall and short, or heterosexual from homosexual. They are more akin to each other than what they think. And rules or following rules are not sufficient for me to view them as radically different as to be two different species.

Come game day - and whether with hands, knives, or guns game day will always come - I intend on winning the battle. If not winning then hopefully surviving. And on that game day I don’t plan on trying to figure out why he is doing X or what laws failed to provide for X, I plan on sending him to his coffin with an American flag draped over it, irrespective of what superficial label of law-abiding or criminal he places upon himself. This is America, and it is a winner take all game.

I was with you until the last paragraph, which sounds very disheartening to me.

 

[TimeEntrance]

If this is how you truely feel about America, and that there is no difference between law abiding and criminal, male and female, etc… then you should invest in a top quality tin-foil hat and lock yourself in a lead lined underground bunker…for your own safety, of course.

Not sure what that means.

Irrespective of the criticisms atheists have for organized religion or more especially the Abrahamic religions… I do think religions have a pretty good grasp of the human person’s vulnerability to sins. Sins like greed, lust, sloth, envy whatever…

I don’t regard those that regard themselves as “law-abiding” as immune from sin. That Iraqi War veteran may have been “law-abiding” for all I know up until the time he broke the law and murdered his wife. I would argue it wasn’t the breaking of the law necessarily that was at the root of the problem, or this tragedy, and what was at the root of the tragedy was likely brewing for some time, possibly decades.

 

[SamH]

I suggest you read a few more pages of the thread. The argument against guns in every school is more complex than what you state.

When you misstate the situation like that I can see why you think its more complicated than it is.

 

[Moore11]

I’ve had my words spun, been talked down to, and other lacks of charity displayed for my view. You know what, it doesn’t matter. It only matters that one sees the intent of my heart. He sees the intents of all our hearts. Pray, reflect, pray some more, then act on your conscience…as if you’re going to be accountable for all that you did one day.

I’m unsubscribing and I’m convinced we have too many guns, in too many hands.

You can sure have your view and I can see how you arrive at it but I have quietly followed the entire thread and I have seen many words spun. But Iv’e seen them spun from your side as well. I have not seen a lack of charity though. Just people who rightly disagree with you.

Unsubscribing can sometimes be a good thing to do.

 

[triumphguy]

I saw this question in a British editorial - yes, it’s British, yes they have gun control, but it still seems an important question.

Is America one nation under God if everyone needs to be armed to protect themselves from their fellow citizens?

 

[Moore11]

I saw this question in a British editorial - yes, it’s British, yes they have gun control, but it still seems an important question.

Is America one nation under God if everyone needs to be armed to protect themselves from their fellow citizens?

Of course, we are not one nation under God. Why would we be? Babies in the womb of a mother are in a hostile environment. If you ask me a fetus with a .45 should be a common gun owner.

 

[triumphguy]

Of course, we are not one nation under God. Why would we be? Babies in the womb of a mother are in a hostile environment. If you ask me a fetus with a .45 should be a common gun owner.

It would need a very light trigger pull!

 

[wondrousgnat]

Now they are calling for armed guards at every school, church, restaurant, mall, theater, etc. Just the kind of country I want to live in. Thank you Jesus

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Now they are calling for armed guards at every school, church, restaurant, mall, theater, etc. Just the kind of country I want to live in. Thank you Jesus

Because the average American cannot be trusted to take his own safety into his self. King George III lost a colony because of this sort of nanny state nonsense.

 

[gamewell45]

I think it should be left up to the individual school districts as to whether or not they employ armed security/police in their schools mainly due to the cost associated with staffing and benefits. Schools need to assess their needs and act accordingly.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

So, I assume 68 people like higher taxes or deficit spending.

 

[St_Francis]

I saw this question in a British editorial - yes, it’s British, yes they have gun control, but it still seems an important question.

Is America one nation under God if everyone needs to be armed to protect themselves from their fellow citizens?

No nation has ever been free of bad guys; the fact that a nation has some bad guys does not mean it is not united under God.

Altho for other reasons, I suspect the US is not united under God…