Nra calls for armed police officer in every school

[gilliam]

Columbine had an armed guard. It didn’t help.

No, it helped a lot. Read the post here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10159679&postcount=96

 

[chaunceygardner]

…Thank you for making the point that other important institutions - from banks to airports to sports stadiums - are protected with armed security, but our feckless government has left students defenseless.

Which government? The federal government, which is mired in trillions of dollars in debt, and can’t get anyone to agree to increase taxes, even a smidge, to where they were in the recent past? State governments, many of which are teetering on bankruptcy themselves, owing billions in retirement benefits without the resources to pay? Local governments, where many have had hiring freezes along with service and staff reductions to keep from having to raise local taxes (which the voters would not approve)?

Also realize that those sports venues, banks and airports actually pay the cost of that security, out of their income. Public schools generate no income.

There are 132,000 public, parochial and private schools in the U.S. There are just under 600,000 full time police officers in the U.S (many of whom work hours and days when school is not in session). Where will you find the money to pay for a police officer at every school? Where will you find that many qualified candidates? Which electorate will agree to a huge increase in taxes to pay for it all?

Some in law enforcement are advocating having a police officer in every school and public facility. One sheriff wants to have a tactical officer to protect our freedoms in every public place (appears he “shot off” his mouth without really considering the logistics and ramificaitons of what he was proposing). Seems like that could be seen as something that limits our freedoms, not enhances them. I have been in less civilized parts of the world (and even some considered civilized) where there was a squad of military at every other corner, and/or armored vehicles patrolling the avenues. Never expected to see that in our country, and hope I never will.

 

[meltzerboy]

I don’t say we should armed all teachers, but I say we armed those who wished to be armed. This way your nor forcing anyone to carry a gun, but neither are you denying someone the right to protect their lives and of the students as well.

And let’s make sure the teachers who wish to be armed also have the proper training in using guns so they don’t accidentally kill innocent people or themselves.

 

[_Abyssinia]

If I could borrow a quote from the NRA: video games don’t kill people, television doesn’t kill people…even mental illness, broken homes…none of that makes a human heart stop beating. So how can we address all those and totally ignore the implement that actually does stop a human heart?

A knife can stop a human heart. Most people use knifes for cutting food in their kitchen. Most people use guns for protection, hunting, sports and they are never used for crime. But sometimes somebody use a gun for crime, just as they a knife for a crime. Its evil that is the problem

 

[seekerz]

Armed guards not only act as a deterrent but can be very effective even if outgunned. What happened at Colombine is an example:

Note that they engaged the shooters, yet were unable to stop them. The shooters did not get to complete their plan? Neither did most of the shooters I can think of from other incidents with no armed guards immediately available at the scene (Aurora, Virginia Tech). So, if Columbine is the best an armed guard can do, I find the suggestion rather pointless.

 

[irishpatrick]

Nobody wants to fix the foundation because that takes real work.

 

[_Abyssinia]

If I could borrow a quote from the NRA: video games don’t kill people, television doesn’t kill people…even mental illness, broken homes…none of that makes a human heart stop beating. So how can we address all those and totally ignore the implement that actually does stop a human heart?

A knife can stop a human heart. Most people use knifes for cutting food in their kitchen. Most people use guns for protection, hunting, sports and they are never used for crime. But sometimes somebody use a gun for crime, just as they a knife for a crime

I understand some people like the idea of a quick ban on guns to get rid of some of the evil caused by people who use guns for bad purposes in in society but it will not work, you can not legislate against evil

 

[HansTrappist]

Just a quick question for anyone in the know out there.

Dr Carver, the Newtown coroner, said that all the victims of the Connecticut elementary school shooting were killed up close by multiple RIFLE shots.

Yet this story (fox5vegas.com/story/20346133/reports-of-multiple-dead-including-1-child-from-ct-elementary-school-shooting) reports that:

“…a CNN reporter said police recovered three weapons at the scene: a Glock and a Sig-Sauer, which are handguns, as well as a .223 Bushmaster rifle. The rifle was in the back seat of the car the gunman drove to the school, the handguns were inside the school.”

and also reports that,

"Security measures implemented this year at Sandy Hook kept doors locked during class hours, and people have to be buzzed in before entering. There is a camera to view whoever enters the building.”

Just wondering if anyone else noticed this discrepancy regarding the rifle being found out in the car in the parking lot yet the children’s wounds, according to the coroner, were the wounds of a high powered rifle as well as the fact that if Lanza committed suicide in the school, how did the rifle get out into the car. I’m just having trouble believing that Lanza stopped in the middle of his killing rampage, walked to his car, put the rifle in the back seat of his mother’s car, then went back into the school commenced with the shooting and then ultimately killed himself. Why would someone in the middle of a psychotic episode walk out to his car and put up his gun away like that? He knew he wasn’t coming back. It doesn’t make any sense

Also, you would have thought that someone would have reviewed the security camera footage by now.

 

[seekerz]

A knife can stop a human heart. Most people use knifes for cutting food in their kitchen. Most people use guns for protection, hunting, sports and they are never used for crime. But sometimes somebody use a gun for crime, just as they a knife for a crime

I undersand some people like the idea of a quick ban to get rid of some of the evil in society but it will not work, you can not legislate against evil

Nobody is trying to ban evil. We are simply saying that guns don’t have to shoot 100s of rounds in minutes in order to protect law-abiding gun owners. That’s quite reasonable.

BTW, last week a man in China stabbed 23 school children. To my knowledge, their parents all are able to sit at their bedsides while they recover in hospital because their hearts are still beating.

 

[kelvinf]

A knife can stop a human heart. Most people use knifes for cutting food in their kitchen. Most people use guns for protection, hunting, sports and they are never used for crime. But sometimes somebody use a gun for crime, just as they a knife for a crime

I understand some people like the idea of a quick ban on guns to get rid of some of the evil caused by people who use guns for bad purposes in in society but it will not work, you can not legislate against evil

You don’t seem to get it. There is a difference between a knife and a gun and there are different kinds of guns. When people don’t have access to guns capable of killing multiple people, they won’t be able to do so. It’s a fact. So yes, a ban on certain types of guns would definitely change things.

 

[HansTrappist]

Which government? The federal government, which is mired in trillions of dollars in debt, and can’t get anyone to agree to increase taxes, even a smidge, to where they were in the recent past? State governments, many of which are teetering on bankruptcy themselves, owing billions in retirement benefits without the resources to pay? Local governments, where many have had hiring freezes along with service and staff reductions to keep from having to raise local taxes (which the voters would not approve)?

Also realize that those sports venues, banks and airports actually pay the cost of that security, out of their income. Public schools generate no income.

There are 132,000 public, parochial and private schools in the U.S. There are just under 600,000 full time police officers in the U.S (many of whom work hours and days when school is not in session). Where will you find the money to pay for a police officer at every school? Where will you find that many qualified candidates? Which electorate will agree to a huge increase in taxes to pay for it all?

Some in law enforcement are advocating having a police officer in every school and public facility. One sheriff wants to have a tactical officer to protect our freedoms in every public place (appears he “shot off” his mouth without really considering the logistics and ramificaitons of what he was proposing). Seems like that could be seen as something that limits our freedoms, not enhances them. I have been in less civilized parts of the world (and even some considered civilized) where there was a squad of military at every other corner, and/or armored vehicles patrolling the avenues. Never expected to see that in our country, and hope I never will.

I was just thanking Mr. LaPierre for advocating some truly practical solutions, like putting police officers in every school. So far Mr. LaPierre is beating our President when it comes to offering practical solutions to this crisis.

As far as affording the police officers in every school, the answer is simple: eliminate the Department of Homeland Security and give their funds to Mr. LaPierre’s program.

 

[_Abyssinia]

You don’t seem to get it. There is a difference between a knife and a gun and there are different kinds of guns. When people don’t have access to guns capable of killing multiple people, they won’t be able to do. It’s a fact. So yes, a ban on certain types of guns would definitely change things.

It could argue that if knives were banned then people would not be able to kill with knives and people would be saved, or would they, because wouldn’t people who wanted to kill find another weapon to use, as they would if guns were banned

Did the 1999 assault weapons ban work in lowering the homicide rate?

Assault rifles are used in approximately 1% of gun crime

 

[meltzerboy]

Which government? The federal government, which is mired in trillions of dollars in debt, and can’t get anyone to agree to increase taxes, even a smidge, to where they were in the recent past? State governments, many of which are teetering on bankruptcy themselves, owing billions in retirement benefits without the resources to pay? Local governments, where many have had hiring freezes along with service and staff reductions to keep from having to raise local taxes (which the voters would not approve)?

Also realize that those sports venues, banks and airports actually pay the cost of that security, out of their income. Public schools generate no income.

There are 132,000 public, parochial and private schools in the U.S. There are just under 600,000 full time police officers in the U.S (many of whom work hours and days when school is not in session). Where will you find the money to pay for a police officer at every school? Where will you find that many qualified candidates? Which electorate will agree to a huge increase in taxes to pay for it all?

Some in law enforcement are advocating having a police officer in every school and public facility. One sheriff wants to have a tactical officer to protect our freedoms in every public place (appears he “shot off” his mouth without really considering the logistics and ramificaitons of what he was proposing). Seems like that could be seen as something that limits our freedoms, not enhances them. I have been in less civilized parts of the world (and even some considered civilized) where there was a squad of military at every other corner, and/or armored vehicles patrolling the avenues. Never expected to see that in our country, and hope I never will.

Can’t the NRA leadership foot the bill? They must be very wealthy by this time.

Good post!

 

[Monkey1976]

I acknowledge the Second Amendment, but I also acknowledge how many times a year guns do violence to people.

Tell me about it. I was checking out my father’s Ruger .357 Blackhawk revolver, and caught a nasty pinch when putting the cylinder back into place.

See? Guns DO hurt people!

 

[seekerz]

I was just thanking Mr. LaPierre for advocating some truly practical solutions, like putting police officers in every school. So far Mr. LaPierre is beating our President when it comes to offering practical solutions to this crisis.

Practical solutions? Of what use is one guard? In the two minutes it takes him to run from one wing of the typical school to the next, a whole classroom could go the way of Newtown’s kids. Or are we expecting attackers to oblige by always walking up to the front door as opposed to coming from within the student body? Some solution.

 

[Fused_Participl]

Armed guards not only act as a deterrent but can be very effective even if outgunned. What happened at Colombine is an example:

There is no evidence that the guard saved anyone. The part about the shooters’ plan is misleading. They had no plan for entering the school. The plan was to bomb the school and shoot the survivors as they came out. They only went in the school when the bombs failed to work.

The guard did not deter them or stop them.

 

[livingwordunity]

Cain didn’t use a gun when he killed Abel. And maybe they should consider banning stones in the Middle East because of all the people who get put to death by stoning.

 

[JonNC]

WASHINGTON (AP) — The nation’s largest gun-rights lobby is calling for armed police officers to be posted in every American school to stop the next killer “waiting in the wings.”

The National Rifle Association broke its silence Friday on last week’s shooting rampage at a Connecticut elementary school that left 26 children and staff dead.

The group’s top lobbyist, Wayne LaPierre, said at a Washington news conference that, quote, “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

bigstory.ap.org/article/nra-returns-public-debate-meet-media

Just a couple of comments from a public school teacher, and an NRA member.

Instead, LaPierre delivered a 25-minute tirade against the notion that another gun law would stop killings in a culture where children are exposed daily to violence in video games, movies and music videos. He argued that guns are the solution, not the problem.

Ah, yes. The AP’s typical biased reposting.

“Before Congress reconvenes, before we engage in any lengthy debate over legislation, regulation or anything else; as soon as our kids return to school after the holiday break, we need to have every single school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work,” LaPierre said. “And by that I mean armed security.”

He said Congress should immediately appropriate funds to post an armed police officer in every school. Meanwhile, he said the NRA would develop a school emergency response program that would include volunteers from the group’s 4.3 million members to help guard children

Right, and wrong. Our schools need good guys to protest against the bad guys, but it is not the role of the federal government to fund police or security for our schools. Constitutionally, it is a state and local responsibility. And they ought to get right to work on it.

Jon

 

[_Abyssinia]

Nobody is trying to ban evil. We are simply saying that guns don’t have to shoot 100s of rounds in minutes in order to protect law-abiding gun owners. That’s quite reasonable.

BTW, last week a man in China stabbed 23 school children. To my knowledge, their parents all are able to sit at their bedsides while they recover in hospital because their hearts are still beating.

I am looking for evidence that a ban on high capacity ammunition works in lowering the homicide rate and I can not evidence it does

articles.latimes.com/2010/may/13/world/la-fg-china-school-attack-20100513

Different Chinese man killed 2 adults and 7 children with a cleaver in the kindergarten he owned

 

[gilliam]

Just wondering if anyone else noticed this discrepancy regarding the rifle being found out in the car in the parking lot yet the children’s wounds, according to the coroner, were the wounds of a high powered rifle as well as the fact that if Lanza committed suicide in the school, how did the rifle get out into the car. I’m just having trouble believing that Lanza stopped in the middle of his killing rampage, walked to his car, put the rifle in the back seat of his mother’s car, then went back into the school commenced with the shooting and then ultimately killed himself. Why would someone in the middle of a psychotic episode walk out to his car and put up his gun away like that? He knew he wasn’t coming back. It doesn’t make any sense

Also, you would have thought that someone would have reviewed the security camera footage by now.

He brought the rifle to the school in the trunk of his car and used it to shoot his way into the building and shoot the kids. See
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Shootings