Nra calls for armed police officer in every school

[PGNewton]

Does an armed police officer in every school solve the problem, or shift the problem?

My point being that a mentally unstable individual seeking to kill as many people as possible in the least amount of time is going to look for targets of opportunity. The point has been made that by either arming teachers or police officers in schools, that schools are no longer a prime target for a potential massacre. And its a valid point.

But where does it end? Anywhere a large group of people congregate is a potential massacre waiting to happen. Do we arm everybody? Go to mass, genuflect, and lock and load? Strap on a side arm for a trip to the grocery store? The problem doesn’t go away if we arm our schools to protect our children, it just moves somewhere else.

Will a ban on assault rifles solve the problem? Charles Whitman was able to kill a large number of people from the observation tower at the University of Texas with bolt action rifles. I am afraid that once an individual has decided to end their life and take as many people with them as possible, there is very little we can do to stop them. The best we can do is try reduce their capacity to inflict damage on a massive scale.

The NRA is trying to shift the focus off assault rifles, and gun laws in general. If we just did a better job of protecting ourselves by arming ourselves to the teeth, then we would have a better chance against the violent offender armed with a weapon of mass destruction…an assault rifle. NONSENSE !!!

 

[seekerz]

Which government? The federal government, which is mired in trillions of dollars in debt, and can’t get anyone to agree to increase taxes, even a smidge, to where they were in the recent past? State governments, many of which are teetering on bankruptcy themselves, owing billions in retirement benefits without the resources to pay? Local governments, where many have had hiring freezes along with service and staff reductions to keep from having to raise local taxes (which the voters would not approve)?

Also realize that those sports venues, banks and airports actually pay the cost of that security, out of their income. Public schools generate no income.

There are 132,000 public, parochial and private schools in the U.S. There are just under 600,000 full time police officers in the U.S (many of whom work hours and days when school is not in session). Where will you find the money to pay for a police officer at every school? Where will you find that many qualified candidates? Which electorate will agree to a huge increase in taxes to pay for it all?

Some in law enforcement are advocating having a police officer in every school and public facility. One sheriff wants to have a tactical officer to protect our freedoms in every public place (appears he “shot off” his mouth without really considering the logistics and ramificaitons of what he was proposing). Seems like that could be seen as something that limits our freedoms, not enhances them. I have been in less civilized parts of the world (and even some considered civilized) where there was a squad of military at every other corner, and/or armored vehicles patrolling the avenues. Never expected to see that in our country, and hope I never will.

Look on the bright side, the NRA is proposing job creation AND a government stimulus package for gun manufacturers…

 

[kelvinf]

It could argue that if knives were banned then people would not be able to kill with knives and people would be saved, or would they, because wouldn’t people who wanted to kill find another weapon to use, as they would if guns were banned

Did the 1999 assault weapons ban work in lowering the homicide rate?

Assault rifles are used in approximately 1% of gun crime

I don’t know why you honestly compare knives with guns. It’s hard to kill many people with a knife. Those kids in China weren’t killed. That makes a huge difference.

So what other weapon would they use to kill many people? Bombs,…?

 

[spartan_cop]

And let’s make sure the teachers who wish to be armed also have the proper training in using guns so they don’t accidentally kill innocent people or themselves.

Of course! Training is very important, I cant tell you how many times in LE we end up getting tunnel vision when dealing with an incident. You can usually tell which officer take their training serious and which don’t. I agree that a teacher should have the right to teach, but he/she should have the right to protect their students and themselves. Things change in this world some good some bad. Just as in police work where some tactics, tools, and dress apparel have changed to meet the demands of new crime so too, unfortunately, teaching in America has changed.

 

[seekerz]

I am looking for evidence that a ban on high capacity ammunition works in lowering the homicide rate and I can not evidence it does

articles.latimes.com/2010/may/13/world/la-fg-china-school-attack-20100513

Different Chinese man killed 2 adults and 7 children with a cleaver in the kindergarten he owned

Which ban? Where?

 

[gilliam]

Does an armed police officer in every school solve the problem, or shift the problem?

My point being that a mentally unstable individual seeking to kill as many people as possible in the least amount of time is going to look for targets of opportunity. The point has been made that by either arming teachers or police officers in schools, that schools are no longer a prime target for a potential massacre. And its a valid point.

But where does it end? Anywhere a large group of people congregate is a potential massacre waiting to happen. Do we arm everybody? Go to mass, genuflect, and lock and load? Strap on a side arm for a trip to the grocery store? The problem doesn’t go away if we arm our schools to protect our children, it just moves somewhere else.

Will a ban on assault rifles solve the problem? Charles Whitman was able to kill a large number of people from the observation tower at the University of Texas with bolt action rifles. I am afraid that once an individual has decided to end their life and take as many people with them as possible, there is very little we can do to stop them. The best we can do is try reduce their capacity to inflict damage on a massive scale.

The NRA is trying to shift the focus off assault rifles, and gun laws in general. If we just did a better job of protecting ourselves by arming ourselves to the teeth, then we would have a better chance against the violent offender armed with a weapon of mass destruction…an assault rifle. NONSENSE !!!

We can do both, provide armed guards where we need them and reduce assault weapons. We can also take another look at our mental health system in this country.

 

[HansTrappist]

Practical solutions? Of what use is one guard? In the two minutes it takes him to run from one wing of the typical school to the next, a whole classroom could go the way of Newtown’s kids. Or are we expecting attackers to oblige by always walking up to the front door as opposed to coming from within the student body? Some solution.

It is a much more practical solution than anything offered by the President.

It is a much more practical, immediate solution than wasting time and money looking in to how implement more gun “control.” The President is wasting his time and our time and money with gun “control.” It is not going to happen.

Like I said, the President could immediately call to eliminate the wasteful and abusive Department of Homeland “Security” and could immediately transfer their funds to a program headed by Mr. LaPierre.

Another solution would be to immediately withdraw our National Gaurd units from active duty overseas (it is unconstitutional for them to be overseas anyway) and use National Gaurd troops to supplement the local police in protecting our most valuable natural resource.

 

[seekerz]

Cain didn’t use a gun when he killed Abel. And maybe they should consider banning stones in the Middle East because of all the people who get put to death by stoning.

How many boulders can you toss in 60 seconds? I mean, if you’re going to compare apples and oranges they should at least be around the same size and weight, no?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I don’t know why you honestly compare knives with guns. It’s hard to kill many people with a knife. Those kids in China weren’t killed. That makes a huge difference.

So what other weapon would they use to kill many people? Bombs,…?

Worst school massacare in US history was in 1927. 2 teachers, four others and 38 children were killed and a bomb was used

Timothy McVey used fetiliser

 

[bitznbitez]

The Swiss Guard… It doesn’t exist for no reason…

 

[kelvinf]

I am looking for evidence that a ban on high capacity ammunition works in lowering the homicide rate and I can not evidence it does

It’s logical, it’s common sense. If a guy doesn’t have a weapon capable of killing let’s say 100 people, how else can he kill such a number of persons?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I don’t know why you honestly compare knives with guns. It’s hard to kill many people with a knife. Those kids in China weren’t killed. That makes a huge difference.

So what other weapon would they use to kill many people? Bombs,…?

Worst school massacre in US history was in 1927. 2 teachers, four others and 38 children were killed and a bomb was used

Timothy McVey used fetiliser

In the link I provided to seekerz there were Chinese teachers and children killed by a cleaver in a different attack

 

[seekerz]

It is a much more practical solution than anything offered by the President.

It is a much more practical, immediate solution than wasting time and money looking in to how implement more gun “control.” The President is wasting his time and our time and money with gun “control.” It is not going to happen.

Like I said, the President could immediately call to eliminate the wasteful and abusive Department of Homeland “Security” and could immediately transfer their funds to a program headed by Mr. LaPierre.

Another solution would be to immediately withdraw our National Gaurd units from active duty overseas (it is unconstitutional for them to be overseas anyway) and use National Gaurd troops to supplement the local police in protecting our most valuable natural resource.

It’s more practical and immediate to find the money to arm and employ hundreds of thousands of guards? Seriously? Who should he tax to fund the NRA’s plan - it’s card-carrying members?

 

[seekerz]

Worst school massacre in US history was in 1927. 2 teachers, four others and 38 children were killed and a bomb was used

Timothy McVey used fetiliser

In the link I provided to seekerz there were Chinese teachers and children killed by a cleaver in a different attack

And how many mass bombings or knife attacks have there been in our history? Any weapon can kill but some weapons are very obviously more easily available and deadly than others.

Also, if I’m not much mistaken, the sale of fertilizer is monitored in efforts to prevent bomb-making. Does that infringe the rights of farmers to make a living?

 

[SamH]

It’s logical, it’s common sense. If a guy doesn’t have a weapon capable of killing let’s say 100 people, how else can he kill such a number of persons?

Logical to whom?

Ammunition was also banned at Sandy Hook - how’d that work out?

 

[SamH]

It’s more practical and immediate to find the money to arm and employ hundreds of thousands of guards? Seriously? Who should he tax to fund the NRA’s plan - it’s card-carrying members?

Don’t let Obama hear that there are more taxes, he’ll suddenly be all for the deal…

 

[kelvinf]

Worst school massacre in US history was in 1927. 2 teachers, four others and 38 children were killed and a bomb was used

Timothy McVey used fetiliser

In the link I provided to seekerz there were Chinese teachers and children killed by a cleaver in a different attack

That’s why bombs are hard to get. 100% security cannot be guaranteed but if bad people have easy access to bombs, there would be more deadlier crimes.

So just like with bombs, certain kinds of guns shouldn’t be made available.

 

[HansTrappist]

He brought the rifle to the school in the trunk of his car and used it to shoot his way into the building and shoot the kids. See
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Shootings

Yes, but the rifle was found in the car in the parking lot by the police after the shooting.

Lanza committed suicide in the school and only the handguns were found in the school.

The coroner stated that the children were shot multiple times by the rifle.

How did the rifle get from the school to the car?

I am having a hard time believing that Lanza would stop in the middle of his shooting to return the rifle to the car.

Of course, the school security cameras may tell us something about that.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Which ban? Where?

It’s logical, it’s common sense. If a guy doesn’t have a weapon capable of killing let’s say 100 people, how else can he kill such a number of persons?

1994 federal assault weapons ban banned manufacture of magazines 10 or more rounds and see what a study comission by the National Institute of Justice and done by the University of Pennsylvania and they

failed to produce any evidence that the ban reduced the number of victims per gun homicide incident

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the average number of gunshot wounds per victim [about two wounds per victim] did not decrease

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The banned weapons and magazines were never used in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders

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We were unable to detect any reduction to date in two types of gun murders that are thought to be closely associated with assault weapons, those with multiple victims in a single incident and those producing multiple bullet wounds per victim

 

[oldcatholicguy]

It’s logical, it’s common sense. If a guy doesn’t have a weapon capable of killing let’s say 100 people, how else can he kill such a number of persons?

Practice combat reloading. Not that hard. Even easier to do with a handgun than a rifle.