Nra calls for armed police officer in every school

[kimmielittle]

If this were a single incident, your argument would seem valid. How many mass shootings do we need witness before we decide to take firm action to keep guns from being picked up by kids, or stolen by ‘bad guys’?

Your argument might have merit - IF you had a Government who didn’t sell weapons to bad guys. If you could provide proof that even national guard armories or police evidence lockups were safe from theft.

 

[kimmielittle]

The Great Biblical Commentary of Cornelius Lapide.

Asking YOU again,

Yes,He did.
What would have happened to Peter had Jesus not repaired the Soldiers Ear?
Do you think maybe, just maybe, Jesus was talking PERSONALLY to Peter? That Jesus had different plans for Peter…Upon this Rock…? And If Peter were killed for the soldiers ear?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Asking YOU again,

Ok, never mind. If you can’t understand, or accept, the Catholic commentaries, or excerpts from the early Church fathers, then there’s nothing I can do and am not doing the circular, and seemingly condescending discussion. It’s evident, when you fail to respond to any points those writings have made.

The Bishops have issued a Call to Action for our lawmakers. I think without constructive discussion, we’ll see an imposition of laws as opposed to a reasoned response. I agree with the Bishops, and feel there are things we could do as a reasoned response.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Your argument might have merit - IF you had a Government who didn’t sell weapons to bad guys. If you could provide proof that even national guard armories or police evidence lockups were safe from theft.

Anything else you want to change the subject to? Our problem is with the public. The mass shooting in the past year, or two, were ‘private weapons’ and not stolen from a government entity.

Let me ask you a question. Would you please provide your suggestions for the problem we have with these mass shootings?

 

[kimmielittle]

However, it appears to me that mentally ill people are being framed as the scapegoat in this whole thing and that’s got me concerned because it appears to be a bi-partisan effort to make mentally ill people as the villains. .

The sane don’t kill people on purpose.

Actually I think, you’ll find out mentally ill - might tend toward suicide - crimes of passion.

I think, we’ve been miscalling / labeling those like Mr Lanza and Mr Spengler.

 

[kimmielittle]

Let me ask you a question. Would you please provide your suggestions for the problem we have with these mass shootings?

Well you seem most concerned about the Firemen… I suggest "society " had the chance, in that particular case, back in July 18th 1980. Mr Spengler. served 17 years for manslaughter in the death of his 92-year-old grandmother who he bludgeoned with a hammer.

 

[kimmielittle]

Anything else you want to change the subject to?

Ahhh… I was answering your statement?

YOU SAID:

Originally Posted by Prodigal Son1
If this were a single incident, your argument would seem valid. How many mass shootings do we need witness before we decide to take firm action to keep guns from being picked up by kids, or stolen by ‘bad guys’?

I ANSWERED:

Originally Posted by kimmielittle
Your argument might have merit - IF you had a Government who didn’t sell weapons to bad guys. If you could provide proof that even national guard armories or police evidence lockups were safe from theft.

Are you suggesting that the 'fast and furious" killings weren’t mass killings?

If Government /armories / police lockups can’t stop determined thieves…?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Well you seem most concerned about the Firemen… I suggest "society " had the chance, in that particular case, back in July 18th 1980. Mr Spengler. served 17 years for manslaughter in the death of his 92-year-old grandmother who he bludgeoned with a hammer.

I am concerned about the quantity of mass shootings we are seeing in recent history.

What is your solution to the mass shootings we’ve experienced in recent years?

 

[TimeEntrance]

You can’t have two masters and still consider yourself Catholic. Defending yourself or your family has nothing to do with Darwin or “predator-prey” relationships… It has everything to do with justification, which is a God given virtue or grace.

I understand your point. And it has merit but it depends on the context of what is meant by one can’t serve two masters.

In reality, within a certain context, we all serve two, three, or more masters. President and Pope. Boss and wife. King and God. At some point one has to reconcile science with religion. You can’t subscribe to the theory of evolution as I see it an not in a way make Charles Darwin your master too.

We are part of a form of government that did not exist when Christ was here. The Roman government at the time was an armed society for the Romans only if I am not mistaken. I do not believe Jews or other cultures within the empire were allowed to have arms (although I could be wrong on that point). Nonetheless, Jesus did not oppose that form of government. That’s not why he came. He came to save us from sin and death, not be in favor of or opposed to a particular form of government which includes one which allows or does not allow it’s citizens to bear arms.

Higher quality literary writing “shows” and doesn’t explicitly “tell.” Whatever shortcomings biblical literary styles may potentially have in the eyes of some critics, they ought cede at minimum, that biblical stories are full of “showing.”

Jesus traveled once or more with armed men. The New Testament stories shows us this. It shows us this happened at least on one occasion. And one is greater than zero. So, within sentential logic it would be illogical of us to say: It was always the case, that Jesus never traveled with armed men.

If you go to the Last Supper story a Gospel author states that one or more swords were in the room. Jesus said that every man should sell his cloak and buy a sword if he does not have one. Scene closes. Curtains open. They are in the garden and when men come to arrest Jesus an Apostle or disciple cuts off one of the ears of the men charged to arrest Jesus.

Ergo, Jesus traveled at least one time among one or more armed men.

That’s all I can say from that. I can’t suggest what should be understood from that theologically as I’m not a theologian. I’m not even sure if those literary scenes can be used, within the Catholic tradition, or in the way Christ would wish, to justify concealed or open carry of firearms among the general public in today’s world.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Ahhh… I was answering your statement?

YOU SAID:

Ok, never mind. I don’t see this as a constructive discussion.

Thanks for showing me that leaning towards supporting bans might not be a bad thing.

 

[TimeEntrance]

According to God, we have the right to shoot and kill to protect ourselves and our families here on earth. Justification is a virtue.

Just to be clear, that is your opinion from what you have inferred from something you have read or been told. An atheist or agnostic might challenge you on your certainty as to what God said about shooting someone.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

I believe, there is a difference between mental illness and moral bankruptcy?

Yes there is certainly a difference. The problem in our society is that we refuse to call what ills our nation (such as all the gun violence) for what it is: moral bankruptcy.

Instead, our leaders call for more gun control (Democrats) and registering the mentally ill (NRA).

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

The sane don’t kill people on purpose.

Actually I think, you’ll find out mentally ill - might tend toward suicide - crimes of passion.

I think, we’ve been miscalling / labeling those like Mr Lanza and Mr Spengler.

I’m not sure I can completely agree with you on that. I do believe that some sane people kill on purpose.

We’re Lanza and/or Spengler mentally ill and therefore committed their crimes due to their disability? Or did they use their disability to justify their evil act? They will answer for what they have done. Their level of culpability will be determined by our Lord.

 

[kimmielittle]

Yes there is certainly a difference. The problem in our society is that we refuse to call what ills our nation (such as all the gun violence) for what it is: moral bankruptcy.

Instead, our leaders call for more gun control (Democrats) and registering the mentally ill (NRA).

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

What would be your solution to all these shooting nationwide?

 

[kimmielittle]

I am concerned about the quantity of mass shootings we are seeing in recent history.

What is your solution to the mass shootings we’ve experienced in recent years?

The “solution” is checking the moral decay of our society… AND prepare by defending ourselves from both the evil morally bankrupt ] and insane.

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[meltzerboy]

To be quite honest with you, I am more concerned about this aspect of “what to do” than any proposed gun control legislation. At least in the gun debate the country is split pretty evenly where a compromise can generally be reached, and with our current split government, even no compromise would result in status quo (not always a bad thing).

However, it appears to me that mentally ill people are being framed as the scapegoat in this whole thing and that’s got me concerned because it appears to be a bi-partisan effort to make mentally ill people as the villains. The head of the NRA is calling for a national registration of mentally ill people and Hollywood’s latest TV series is promoting a schitzophrenic person who leads a dangerous double life.

With regard to the mentally ill, there are different kinds of people who suffer mental illness. Some may be dangerous to others, while the majority are more a threat to themselves than to others and are stigmatized by others. Further, there is such a thing as recovery from mental illness, if not cure. So on this issue, I agree with you that we should be careful not to scapegoat mentally ill people by grouping all of them into one category.

 

[meltzerboy]

The “solution” is checking the moral decay of our society… AND prepare by defending ourselves from both the evil morally bankrupt ] and insane.

How would one institute that ‘solution’ of checking the moral decay in our society?

 

[meltzerboy]

That sounds very elitist…almost leftist type logic?

Security for thee - but not for me?

Mr Obama,and many of the elitist MSM, seem to feel / think the same…I.e. “no armed guards at school”. Yet, where do they enroll their children given the money to do so ]?

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service.

If they are ** “licensed to carry”** - they have passed ALL STATE and FEDERAL security requirements. The same requirements that a ** paid ** “bodyguard” or “security officer” has to pass in order to carry.

Do you believe that Church - Synagogue or School doors keep the morally bankrupt evil ] or insane, at bay?

The sane prepare by defending themselves from both the evil morally bankrupt ] and insane.

I’m asking whether you believe there is nothing morally wrong with individual worshipers’ bringing guns to church. To me, it sounds somewhat contrary to the teachings of our religions even though I understand that the guns are a means of self-defense. OTOH, to hire security guards as protection for the parishioners may be a good idea. I guess you don’t see a distinction between these measures.