Nra calls for armed police officer in every school

[InigoMontoya]

But the difference is that if businesses are wasteful the fact remains that it is their money. The government is wasteful with our money.

I’d agree only for privately held, particularly family held companies. With publicly traded companies, the majority of big business in America, it is the shareholders money that the business is wasting. There’s essentially an equal disconnect between their employees and the shareholder as their is with government employees and their shareholders - the citizens/taxpayers. Much of the arguments for what’s commonly labeled as excessive or exorbitant executive compensation is an attempt to removed the disconnect between a companies executives and shareholders; and there’s bitter arguments on that being ineffective.

 

[SamH]

Yet at the same time, it’s been exceptionally rare that I’ve seen many small/mid sized outfits even be aware yet alone adhere to their industries regulatory legislation.

But what happens to those businesses when they get caught?

We own 1 semi to move equipment from jobsite to jobsite. To be legal in the two states we operate in and the DOT I spend at least 8 to 14 hours a month on paperwork. The driver spends at least that much more. When the highway patrol pulls us over I have to have everying an operation with 1000 semis has. Guess how we legally “radom” drug test with only one driver.

 

[SamH]

The point is this seems a huge growth in government, and armed government agents at that, suggested by a group whose membership are generally not fans of government growth, to say the least.

The NRA is a one issue organization. When I made the comment that they were conservative it was in error. They are not politically aligned with either party - they only concern themselves with the issue of the 2nd amendment and how individual members of government conduct themselves on that topic.

 

[ProVobis]

But the difference is that if businesses are wasteful the fact remains that it is their money. The government is wasteful with our money.

Either way it’s mostly all borrowed.

 

[InigoMontoya]

But what happens to those businesses when they get caught?

We own 1 semi to move equipment from jobsite to jobsite. To be legal in the two states we operate in and the DOT I spend at least 8 to 14 hours a month on paperwork. The driver spends at least that much more. When the highway patrol pulls us over I have to have everying an operation with 1000 semis has. Guess how we legally “radom” drug test with only one driver.

In the vast majority of cases, essentially nothing. Many regulatory agencies have been effectively neutered in a lot of cases. Which is why some of them now attempt to butcher companies as an example to others, since it’s well known their hands are generally tied and companies likely can get away with things.

I’d certainly state that the DOT and EPA, generally have quite a bit of effectiveness and muscle… other agencies, not so much.

 

[Brendan]

I’d agree only for privately held, particularly family held companies. With publicly traded companies, the majority of big business in America, it is the shareholders money that the business is wasting. .

True, but a person can choose when, if , and how much to invest with any publicly traded company.

That does not hold true for taxes paid.

 

[SamH]

In the vast majority of cases, essentially nothing. Many regulatory agencies have been effectively neutered in a lot of cases. .

What agencies would that be? It is certainly not the EPA, ICE, OSHA, IRS, or DOL. What agency has been neutered?

 

[InigoMontoya]

What agencies would that be? It is certainly not the EPA, ICE, OSHA, IRS, or DOL. What agency has been neutered?

The DOL and OSHA have most certainly been neutered. That’s primarily the focus of my consulting and teaching.

True, but a person can choose when, if , and how much to invest with any publicly traded company.

That does not hold true for taxes paid.

That’s very valid distinction, but it doesn’t take away the misnomer of the disconnect I spoke of earlier. It can be a source of much agitation and grumbling though. If one explored that concept a bit further though, with the amount of due diligence performed by most investors and even funds… I think that argument could be taken away though. Just look at the recent German DAX controversy as an example of how difficult due diligence and controls are to ensure and have in place with investments. That’s not speaking negatively on anyone in my opinion, just a matter of how investments tend to work on the exchanges.

 

[SamH]

The DOL and OSHA have most certainly been neutered. That’s primarily the focus of my consulting and teaching.

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A consultant…

You’ve never had OSHA show up on a jobsite have you. We’ve been fined for a willful violation because an extension ladder didn’t extend high enough above a roof, thousands in fines because a subcontractor had a light duty extension cord on a computer.

Our latest industry journals warn contractors that OSHA is no longer an enforcement agency but has been directed to raise revenue through vigorous fines for any type of violation.

complianceandsafety.com/blog/oshas-recession-tax/

 

[TimeEntrance]

Cheers for your brother and his wife. It’s a noble profession, that requires significant sacrifice. I’m not sure if you meant to say that having a doctorate brings a six figure income in education, but it certainly doesn’t,. While I teach at the university level, I’m very familiar with the regional schools and can absolutely guarantee that’s not the case. I know many people with doctorates, who from working in education, are only bringing home 45-60k a year.

Naw, I meant to say that in my opinion anyone who has earned a Ph.D. rates a six figure salary. And if they don’t rate it then at minimum they are no more wrong for being compensated that much than say… a professional athlete.

I recently read the young 19 year old kid that played the nephew of Charlie Sheen’s character on Two and a Half Men makes $30,000 a week. I’m not sure if he was making that much from the show when he was 8 but he’s been with the show since he was 8.

And you are right. I’m not sure how true it is but a 30ish or 40ish year old classmate at UW-Milwaukee told me that some of the professors at UW-Milwaukee with their doctorate degree, only earn a little over $30,000 a year. That’s not a lot of return on all that effort, time, and money spent on earning that pinnacle of education. But I’m aware some degrees bring more financial compensation than others as well. So, part of the pursuit of money is picking a degree to earn that rewards richly in money once you obtain it and put it to work.

 

[InigoMontoya]

A consultant…

You’ve never had OSHA show up on a jobsite have you. We’ve been fined for a willful violation because an extension ladder didn’t extend high enough above a roof, thousands in fines because a subcontractor had a light duty extension cord on a computer.

Our latest industry journals warn contractors that OSHA is no longer an enforcement agency but has been directed to raise revenue through vigorous fines for any type of violation.

complianceandsafety.com/blog/oshas-recession-tax/

You’d really demean a profession? A profession which by your own admission you utilize?

You’d honestly try and demean my position, by making a presumptuous attack of work history or experience?

 

[wondrousgnat]

apnews.myway.com/article/20130109/DA3MID9O2.html

 

[SamH]

You’d really demean a profession? A profession which by your own admission you utilize? :

What “admission”?

You’d honestly try and demean my position, by making a presumptuous attack of work history or experience?

Just pointing out your error and asking how you came to such an illogical conclusion. Your claim conflicts with everything that is published in my industry and my own personal experience. I note you instantly claim victim status instead of offering proof to refute my own observations and cited publication. How do you explain the rise in fines despite the decline in employment if OSHA has become neutered?