" Nun to be ordained as 'Priest' "

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She should skip the worldly offices she doesn’t qualify for … and go for the higher office even the Pope can agree she is called to. Being a saint.

A Saint outranks a living Pope let alone priest, as the living are still trying to make it to sainthood and won’t until their life is over.

If you are going to promote yourself go for it … but public disobedience doesn’t fly even for those who are already priests.

This woman has gotten her fame now … it would be best for her to rethink things if she is sincere about wanting to serve the Church.

And one must be ordained by a Bishop in good standing also. Not some group.
This is not even just a woman’s thing - the Church does not ordain every man that applies
anymore than a job app guarantees a person a job because he (or she) feels “called”.
 
CaptFun said:
She should skip the worldly offices she doesn’t qualify for … and go for the higher office even the Pope can agree she is called to. Being a saint.

A Saint outranks a living Pope let alone priest, as the living are still trying to make it to sainthood and won’t until their life is over.

If you are going to promote yourself go for it … but public disobedience doesn’t fly even for those who are already priests.

This woman has gotten her fame now … it would be best for her to rethink things if she is sincere about wanting to serve the Church.

And one must be ordained by a Bishop in good standing also. Not some group.
This is not even just a woman’s thing - the Church does not ordain every man that applies
anymore than a job app guarantees a person a job because he (or she) feels “called”.
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If the Lord had wanted women priests, He would have first ordained His own Mother, but He did not!
 
CaptFun said:
She should skip the worldly offices she doesn’t qualify for … and go for the higher office even the Pope can agree she is called to. Being a saint.

A Saint outranks a living Pope let alone priest, as the living are still trying to make it to sainthood and won’t until their life is over.
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I hear you , but:

The priesthood is NOT a worldly office.

Saints don’t “outrank” others who have died in Christ, neither do they have more authority over the Church as the Pope or the parish as the priest.

But then again, I hear you!
 
Dissenting view :

If the Holy Spirit decides that she should be a Priest, nothing any of us think or do will change anything. If the Holy Spirit does not decide she should be a Priest, then she won’t be one. This is not our call.

For those that claim the requirements for the Priesthood “cannot” change, keep 2 things in mind.

1 ~ Priest were not always celibates. In the early Church, they married. So the requirements have changed in the past.

And most important 2 ~ “For God, all things are possible”

God bless
 
Myqyl said:
Dissenting view :

If the Holy Spirit decides that she should be a Priest, nothing any of us think or do will change anything. If the Holy Spirit does not decide she should be a Priest, then she won’t be one. This is not our call.

For those that claim the requirements for the Priesthood “cannot” change, keep 2 things in mind.

1 ~ Priest were not always celibates. In the early Church, they married. So the requirements have changed in the past.
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Celibacy is not an absolute requirement for priests. It is a discipline imposed by the Church on the men who would serve as priests. It can be lifted tomorrow if Benedict feels led to do such. There are a number of men who are married and priests in the Roman rite of the Church.
Myqyl said:
And most important 2 ~ “For God, all things are possible”

God bless
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While this is right, it has been taught by Blessed John Paul II that the Church does not have the authority to ordain women, and as such, it is impossible for the Church to ordain women as priests. So pretty much anything short of Our Lord riding down on a cloud and walking into the Vatican and Personally telling Benedict to go ahead and ordain women, it’s not going to happen.
 
Myqyl said:
1 ~ Priest were not always celibates. In the early Church, they married. So the requirements have changed in the past.
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Celibacy has always been seen as a disciplinary matter, rather than a question of the validity of the sacrament. Many eastern Catholic churches have married priests and even in the Latin rite, there are married priests today.

The ordination of women is a completely different matter altogether.

–Jen
 
Myqyl said:
Dissenting view :

If the Holy Spirit decides that she should be a Priest, nothing any of us think or do will change anything. If the Holy Spirit does not decide she should be a Priest, then she won’t be one. This is not our call.

For those that claim the requirements for the Priesthood “cannot” change, keep 2 things in mind.

1 ~ Priest were not always celibates. In the early Church, they married. So the requirements have changed in the past.

And most important 2 ~ “For God, all things are possible”

God bless
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I think that you miss the fact that God cannot contradict himself and that denies the possibility of ordination for women to the priesthood in kronos (a.k.a. our times). There is the infallible statement that the Church does not have the authority to ordain women. Bishops are the ordaining authority in the Church and they do not have the authority to ordain women. Bishops are one of the requirements in terms of valid matter for the ordination to the priesthood. Thus women cannot be ordained to the priesthood in kronos.
 
This group that is proposing to ‘ordain’ her is simply delusional. She will not be a priest, and her attempt to do so puts her outside the communion of the Catholic Church. Women priests are an impossibility.
 
JimG said:
This group that is proposing to ‘ordain’ her is simply delusional. She will not be a priest, and her attempt to do so puts her outside the communion of the Catholic Church. Women priests are an impossibility.
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Sadly I disagree with you, they are not delusional. It would be nice if they were delusional because their culpability would be reduced, but I am afraid that it isn’t so.
 
Cristiano said:
Sadly I disagree with you, they are not delusional. It would be nice if they were delusional because their culpability would be reduced, but I am afraid that it isn’t so.
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I suppose I can’t judge the extent of their culpability. But it never fails to surprise me that someone who claims to be Catholic and wishes to continue to be Catholic takes a deliberate action which places them outside of the Catholic Church.

( I had the same thought when Fr. Leonard Feeney dissented from the Church’s teaching on ‘no salvation outside the Church.’ He argued that it must be taken literally. Non-Catholics could not be saved. His dissent put him outside the Church–excommunicated–and therefore not saved by his own theory of Catholic doctrine!)
 
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Dissenting view :

If the Holy Spirit decides that she should be a Priest,** nothing any of us think or do will change anything**. ** If the Holy Spirit** does not decide she should be a Priest, then she won’t be one. This is not our call.

For those that claim the requirements for the Priesthood “cannot” change, keep 2 things in mind.

1 ~ Priest were not always celibates. In the early Church, they married. So the requirements have changed in the past.

And most important 2 ~ “For God, all things are possible”

God bless
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How can this be…unless you think the Holy Spirit is confused or dubious? If the Holy Spirit calls her to be a priest…the Holy Spirit will call the Pope, all the bishops in communion with him…The Magisterium…and they will authorize women to be ordained priests.

Until then we are left with some of Christ’s most direct and unambiguous statements:
John 14:26
English Standard Version (ESV)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
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Matthew 16:17-20
English Standard Version (ESV)
17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock[a] I will build my church, and the gates of hell** shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed[c] in heaven.”** 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.
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and sending out the apostles the second time…
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Luke 10:16
English Standard Version (ESV)
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16 “The** one who hears you hears me**, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

and sending the Eleven in the Great Commission
Matthew 28:18-20
English Standard Version (ESV)
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18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20** teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you**. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
John 20:21
English Standard Version
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Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.”
John 17:21
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
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That they** all may be one,** as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me..

This Sister has a heart of Charity that has to be admired and respected…her lifelong ministries are a witness to that… but She is does not exhibit a heart of obedience and humility…she is basically saying (paraphrasing Prof Peter Kreeft, Boston College)…
pseudo-priest Sister:…ah, excuse me Peter (Pope Benedict XVI)…but you are sitting in my Chair…ah, excuse me Most Holy Spirit…but you sitting on my Throne!
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Yes…“For God, all things are possible”…but not duplicity and not unfaithfulness to Himself and to His Church, The Body of Christ.

Lastly, you say “this is not our call”…correct, its not ours…nor is it hers either! You say there is “nothing we can do”…wrong…we can pray for her and her spirit-spirit misguided companions…and we can also say clearly that she is flat wrong…and we can be obedient to the Pope and the Magisterium…to the Holy Spirit…and simply say she is a schismatic…she is excommunicated and no longer in Communion with the Body of Christ.

Recently, one of this group of pseudo-priest Sisters came back to the Church and was reconciled and her excommunication lifted (sorry I can’t find a story link)…but, this happened only by prayer, fasting and almsgiving for her…fundamentally the graces and power of the Holy Spirit and her humility and obedience to the the Will of God…it can happen for all of them, if we just don’t give up…and bombard the Holy Spirit and his spouse, the Blessed Virgin Mary…with our spiritual offerings, because…For God, nothing is impossible!

For your consideration.
Pax Christi
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Many say, in various ways, that God can’t change plans etc… I agree that God is unchanging, however if it has ALWAYS been God’s plan that women will one day be ordained, than that is His plan. I’m not saying it is, or isn’t… I just think it’s very dangerous to apply our understanding of God and “place limits” on what He can / can’t do.

I remain open to wherever God leads.

God bless
 
Myqyl said:
Many say, in various ways, that God can’t change plans etc… I agree that God is unchanging, however if it has ALWAYS been God’s plan that women will one day be ordained, than that is His plan. I’m not saying it is, or isn’t… I just think it’s very dangerous to apply our understanding of God and “place limits” on what He can / can’t do.

I remain open to wherever God leads.

God bless
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Fine, then please be so kind to my how comes that the Church does not have the authority to ordain women but the Church is where the sacramental authority resides. Are you saying that the Church can contradict her infallible statements?
Just because something does not say that is not impossible that does not imply that is automatically possible, that would be a major logical fallacy. The limits are placed by God not by us.

If I were to follow your logic then, I would have to agree that the pope cannot be infallible in terms of faith and morals. I would also have to agree that the Bible might be wrong. Maybe I would have to agree that the gates of Hell could prevail.
 
Myqyl said:
Dissenting view :

If the Holy Spirit decides that she should be a Priest, nothing any of us think or do will change anything. If the Holy Spirit does not decide she should be a Priest, then she won’t be one. This is not our call.

For those that claim the requirements for the Priesthood “cannot” change, keep 2 things in mind.

1 ~ Priest were not always celibates. In the early Church, they married. So the requirements have changed in the past.

And most important 2 ~ “For God, all things are possible”

God bless
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Firstly, if the “Holy Spirit” decides she should be a priest, then a fair bet that it’s not the Holy Spirit. As someone already posted, if Jesus wanted female priests - His own mother would have been the Number 1 choice.

She was not a priest.

Secondly, just because those in the early Church were not celibate doesn’t mean that women can be priests. Priests were still always men. It simply was a signification of the maleness of Christ.

Celibacy is a discipline of the priesthood which can be changed while the church has categorically stated that it actually has not got the authority to ordain women.

This basically means that it’s not ever going to happen as even the pope can’t do it.
 
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