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Adam Lanza did not use an AR 15 in the school, he left it in the car, and 4 handguns were recovered from the school
New gun law is terrible for law abiding citizens in NY. A semi atomatic rifle is the best tool of defense from intruders. I have read many stories of people who had to shoot multiple times to stop 1 intruder, 33 times on 1 occasion, imagine if there are multiple intruders
It is ridiclous for people to be allowed to keep their semi automatic rifles, and there must be many in ownership, yet you are banned from buying a new one
NY needs to oust Cuomo from office
New gun law is terrible for law abiding citizens in NY. A semi atomatic rifle is the best tool of defense from intruders. I have read many stories of people who had to shoot multiple times to stop 1 intruder, 33 times on 1 occasion, imagine if there are multiple intruders
It is ridiclous for people to be allowed to keep their semi automatic rifles, and there must be many in ownership, yet you are banned from buying a new one
NY needs to oust Cuomo from office
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Presurmksdimnds
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From what I understand, it is certain ‘features’ that make a gun, what you would call an ‘assault weapon’. One of the features is the magazine. They have one year to turn them in or sell them out of state (so they can be cause mass murders elsewhere
)So in reality, it’s the amount of bullets you are allowed to have that is being restricted, right? Next it will be ‘no more than 5’, and so on… SMH. Guns are no good without ammo!
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Tony2255
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I know I’m going to get a lot of heat for this one, but I don’t have a huge problem with this law. As a Marine I was taught to make every shot a kill shot. We were never allowed to use full auto because it was inaccurate and wasted ammo. Everyone should be highly proficient with their weapons. So it wouldn’t matter if you went from a 10 round mag to a 7. Its the toughest law and its only at 7. Need more rounds keep a handgun and a shotgun next to you.
Making every weapon require a background check. Big deal. I’m a law abiding citizen I’ll clear it no problem.
Limited purchase of ammo. I don’t need a 55 gallon drum of 5.56 rounds. I can’t imagine I would even need a case for that matter. What if our country is attacked? I would be more worried about the cuts to our defense department before I worried about having enough ammo. I can’t remember the last time my house was broken into by a platoon of thieves.
No internet sales. So. Support your local gun shop and keep the money within the community.
Mandatory proper storage. Ummm Common sense. If you aren’t storing it properly and you get a ticket your own fault.
Register assault rifles with the police. Yes if one is stolen I’d like to know who’s responsible for not properly storing it and allowing it out on the streets.
Semi-auto rifles are not the best for home protection. Give me a shotgun anyday. Just point in the general direction and pull the trigger. Better yet rig each room with a claymore mine. How about a Mk19.
I don’t want to see all guns banned but putting limits isn’t ALL bad either.
Making every weapon require a background check. Big deal. I’m a law abiding citizen I’ll clear it no problem.
Limited purchase of ammo. I don’t need a 55 gallon drum of 5.56 rounds. I can’t imagine I would even need a case for that matter. What if our country is attacked? I would be more worried about the cuts to our defense department before I worried about having enough ammo. I can’t remember the last time my house was broken into by a platoon of thieves.
No internet sales. So. Support your local gun shop and keep the money within the community.
Mandatory proper storage. Ummm Common sense. If you aren’t storing it properly and you get a ticket your own fault.
Register assault rifles with the police. Yes if one is stolen I’d like to know who’s responsible for not properly storing it and allowing it out on the streets.
Semi-auto rifles are not the best for home protection. Give me a shotgun anyday. Just point in the general direction and pull the trigger. Better yet rig each room with a claymore mine. How about a Mk19.
I don’t want to see all guns banned but putting limits isn’t ALL bad either.
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Presurmksdimnds
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It’s only 7, until the next mass shooting. And you’ve proven the lunacy of a limit on bullets -people will just buy more in smaller increments or purchase even more guns since the one has been limited.
I agree. Basic background checks I can deal with.
I can. Furthermore, if our country continues into this dissarray and falls into civil war, if a mob of 50+ Occupiers (or insert whatever radical upset group here) is coming down the street burning down houses I’m not going to wait until they get to my door and throw pipe bombs - I’m spraying em’ down when they hit my lawn.
All of them. In one spray. Stay away from my family.
If any of my comments are uncharitable, please remove my post. But I will not be fooled into thinking that these things don’t happen (See: people, houses torched) or will not happen here. I’ll be ready - and I will protect my family.
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Police text book ‘Street Survival’ has photos of an armed robber who had to be stopped by 33 9mm bullets before he stopped trying to kill the officers
Do you believe 7 bullets are enough to stop a group of intruders?
I watched a show some months ago where a man had his own machinery to make ammunition. And with the manufacture of 3D printers, more people will be able to make ammunition of any capacity
High capacity ammunition exchanged hands during the last federal ‘assault weapon’ ban, so another ban is not going to stop that ammunition being sold illegally
Adam Lanza took guns that were registered to his mom
Most gun crime is done with illegal guns. Many people who use guns for crime are not going to go and have a background check
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Internet sales require you to ship it to an FFL (which requires paperwork) and the local FFL will charge a fee ($20 to $30) to do the transfer, so either way they get some profits.
I also heard that now all people with firearms have to be registered every five years now? I don’t get this, how will this help anyone? The law abiding owners will do this, however, isn’t the ones who aren’t following the law the ones you want to watch?
A gun is useless when it’s in a safe (with the exception of when children will be around).
And when it comes to magazine limits, I agree with the fact you don’t need 30 rounds, however, 10 is a solid number that most pistols take now. What will happen when something else happens? Make it 5, 3, 1? I think making round counts any less is futile. I agree with you when you say that it only takes one to do the job.
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Tony, we just about all train for making out shots count. You should very well know that merely one bullet doesn’t necessarily drop a determined or drug fueled man. What if you have multiple armed aggressors? Life turns to **** sometimes… It can very well matter if you have a normal magazine, which is often more than 10 rounds.
My pocket pistol, for when other options cant be easily concealed, carries 6+1. I hope that’s enough, and it problly is for a random mugging, carjacking, robbery if I chose to draw/fire. In a home invasion or really unfortunate situation, I just pray its enough to let me get my family to safety and me to one a better weapon. A shot gun also isn’t the ideal weapon, unless you plan on hiding and waiting to fire. While unlikely, it does happen, and you’d be screwed if someone tried flushing you from your home. One can’t be prepared for everything, but one can prepare for a lot… Especially if they’ve experienced stuff in the past. We’ve unfortunately faced multiple home intruders, heavily armed, and with body armor. The firefights over with before the security system or 911 has the police respond.
My pocket pistol, for when other options cant be easily concealed, carries 6+1. I hope that’s enough, and it problly is for a random mugging, carjacking, robbery if I chose to draw/fire. In a home invasion or really unfortunate situation, I just pray its enough to let me get my family to safety and me to one a better weapon. A shot gun also isn’t the ideal weapon, unless you plan on hiding and waiting to fire. While unlikely, it does happen, and you’d be screwed if someone tried flushing you from your home. One can’t be prepared for everything, but one can prepare for a lot… Especially if they’ve experienced stuff in the past. We’ve unfortunately faced multiple home intruders, heavily armed, and with body armor. The firefights over with before the security system or 911 has the police respond.
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What a completely useless law. Politics as usual. I’m not even going to into the specifics of why I have issues with this, since it’s a public forum. Just thankful I do not and never will live in NY state.
Who is he fooling?
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ExGratia
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This is the first time I’ve ever commented on a firearms post, but I am pretty sure I’ve read yours before (unless there is another well-spoken marine on CAF
).I understand that, as a Marine, you have received extensive training that most civilians couldn’t ever receive. Just because YOU are an excellent shot, and I hope you are, since our tax dollars go into making you one, doesn’t mean every victim of a break-in would be able to “shoot to kill” on the first round. We will never (I hope) have as much practice as you! Trying to compare a man or woman who wants to protect his or her family to the most highly trained military personnel is kind of silly.
Also, the logic that taking away three shots (going from 10 to 7) isn’t a big deal may be the case. But, then, why bother making this new legislation if it doesn’t make a difference? The logic can be applied both ways. To me it seems that they are just chipping away at our rights. Next will be “7 and 5 aren’t that different”…
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Within the last 100 years how often are peoples homes attacked by 50 or more people. You know as well as I do only a very small percentage of gun owners are proficient with their weapons making those who use semi auto weapons highly inaccurate. You would need a thousand round drum just to take out 50 intruders. They fact is you need more practice not more ammo.
You can find a flaw in any weapon but a shotgun takes doesn’t require a much accuracy to do some damage. When its late you can’t see well or you adrenaline is pumping, etc. all things that decrease accuracy a shotgun is proficient. if that lady was hiding in a closet with a shotgun he wouldn’t have driven away they would be scrapping his face of the ceiling.
You can’t argue that only a fraction of Americans are truly knowledgeable and responsible gun owners. That’s the issue. I’m worried about the mom that goes out and buys a Bushmaster and thinks that her house is safe or because little Jimmy has been playing Call of Duty and now wants his very own and mommy just can’t say no. The family that has the shed full of everything from 50 cal snipers to 22 rimfire doesn’t worry me in the least. The entire family is taught to respect firearms. But the fact is those people are few and far between.
Unfortunately you have to narrow the pen to keep the rest of the sheep from harming themselves. A sad sad fact but true all the same. In a perfect world I would love to have a Mk19 to push my treeline back 20 yards but it’s just not going to happen. Especially when our society is becoming more and more secular and narcissistic creating their own set of morals and standards.
Take the all the guns away. I have no issue going hand to hand with a tofu eating vegan.
Well just have to agree to disagree, I guess.
You can find a flaw in any weapon but a shotgun takes doesn’t require a much accuracy to do some damage. When its late you can’t see well or you adrenaline is pumping, etc. all things that decrease accuracy a shotgun is proficient. if that lady was hiding in a closet with a shotgun he wouldn’t have driven away they would be scrapping his face of the ceiling.
You can’t argue that only a fraction of Americans are truly knowledgeable and responsible gun owners. That’s the issue. I’m worried about the mom that goes out and buys a Bushmaster and thinks that her house is safe or because little Jimmy has been playing Call of Duty and now wants his very own and mommy just can’t say no. The family that has the shed full of everything from 50 cal snipers to 22 rimfire doesn’t worry me in the least. The entire family is taught to respect firearms. But the fact is those people are few and far between.
Unfortunately you have to narrow the pen to keep the rest of the sheep from harming themselves. A sad sad fact but true all the same. In a perfect world I would love to have a Mk19 to push my treeline back 20 yards but it’s just not going to happen. Especially when our society is becoming more and more secular and narcissistic creating their own set of morals and standards.
Take the all the guns away. I have no issue going hand to hand with a tofu eating vegan.
Well just have to agree to disagree, I guess.
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If only a fraction of gun owners were proficent in using their gun, then 2.5 million crimes would not be prevented yearly from self defense
Where did 50 come from? What about 4 or 5 intruders with a 7 bullet handgun?
Home intruders typically do not work alone and if they armed, a semi automatic rifle could stop you from being harmed and allow to defend yourself that a handgun could not
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Oh yes, I see where you are coming from. It’s pretty obvious how you view your fellow Americans.
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Tony2255
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Who has ever stopped your from getting as much practice as me? There are gun ranges and instructors all over this country. I imagine you can find a Marine who will teach you. Three less round very well may have made a difference in that classroom in Sandy Brook. Limiting capacity requires more frequent magazine changes which takes more time and increases the opportunity of jams. Fine you want to use the paranoia of going from 10 to 7 to 5 to 3 to 1 to 1/2 to 1/16 to lint. Ok 10 rounds isn’t enough neither is 20 or 100 or 1000 or a auto. I want a full auto wait that’s not enough I could provide even more protection if I had an M249saw. Even better Mk19 my fav. Ohhhh how about an M777 howitzer. What then is the “perfect weapon” to protect yourself? A tank?
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Sorry but the truth isn’t pretty sometimes and yes Americans can be and are irresponsible. You can turn it around and call me out for what 99.9% of the people think. But look how many have absolutely no problem with abortion including a large portion of Catholics. Yes, I worry when those who are so easily led astray have access to firearms. No I don’t trust them.
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Since it is also incredibly rare for a policeman to be attacked by 50 or more people, it would seem that they too have no need for large sized magazines.
Would you say that is correct?
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Tony2255
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I would both my father and Step father are police officers in California. They have both fired their weapons ONCE. My dad was using a .357 went through one cylinder of 6 used his speedloader and didn’t need the rest. My step father carried a smith and wesson 9mm and only fired 3 rounds. If you feel that police officers deserve to have the most protection and most fire power are you in favor of giving them tanks to patrol in?
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No, it isn’t all bad; I totally agree with you. Why do some people consistently have to think in terms of all or none? Good post.
meltzerboy
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This is one of the few good things Andrew Cuomo has done since becoming governor.
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