NY seals 1st state gun laws since Newtown massacre

[Tony2255]

I’m not buying Cuomo’s concern to save lives with his gun laws, as he’s trying to pass the Abortion Expansion Bill. He’ll be responsible for taking more lives than his gun laws will ever save. I just don’t disagree with much in the gun law.

 

[Brendan]

I would both my father and Step father are police officers in California. They have both fired their weapons ONCE. My dad was using a .357 went through one cylinder of 6 used his speedloader and didn’t need the rest. My step father carried a smith and wesson 9mm and only fired 3 rounds. If you feel that police officers deserve to have the most protection and most fire power are you in favor of giving them tanks to patrol in?

No I was just wondering if the police would be allowed to use magazines with a capacity greater than 10 (like the Feds are talking about) or even 8 rounds, like what just passed in NY.

I presume that you would be in favor of restricting police weapons to the smaller capacity mags then?

 

[Tony2255]

Since it is also incredibly rare for a policeman to be attacked by 50 or more people, **it would seem that they too have no need for large sized magazines.

Would you say that is correct?**

And in my post I said, “I would.” So??? Again.

YES I BELIEVE THAT POLICE SHOULD HAVE A LIMITED CAPACITY MAG, WHILE MAINTAINING POLICE EFFICIENCY. (just incase you want to come back and say I agree with single shot weapons.)

Since it appears that you want me to answer all questions but avoid mine. I’ll ask again. If you feel that police officers deserve to have the most protection and most fire power are you in favor of giving them tanks to patrol in?

 

[fbl9]

Police text book ‘Street Survival’ has photos of an armed robber who had to be stopped by 33 9mm bullets before he stopped trying to kill the officers

Do you believe 7 bullets are enough to stop a group of intruders?

I watched a show some months ago where a man had his own machinery to make ammunition. And with the manufacture of 3D printers, more people will be able to make ammunition of any capacity

High capacity ammunition exchanged hands during the last federal ‘assault weapon’ ban, so another ban is not going to stop that ammunition being sold illegally

Adam Lanza took guns that were registered to his mom

Most gun crime is done with illegal guns. Many people who use guns for crime are not going to go and have a background check

7 headshots no prob.like if one can hit a silver dollar 4 times at a hundred yrds with 4 shots can’t see why it not posible to hit a gallon pail at 10yrds:shrug:

part of the reason is the 9mm round. the .40 sw is much superior(sic) round, but the 9mm is a better pistol.

not overly sure as to how one can make ammo with a printer

give me the dies, powder, brass, leads and primers and i can make how ever many rounds you want. it’s not hard heck a 4yr old can do it.

 

[_Abyssinia]

7 headshots no prob.like if one can hit a silver dollar 4 times at a hundred yrds with 4 shots can’t see why it not posible to hit a gallon pail at 10yrds:shrug:

part of the reason is the 9mm round. the .40 sw is much superior(sic) round, but the 9mm is a better pistol.

not overly sure as to how one can make ammo with a printer

give me the dies, powder, brass, leads and primers and i can make how ever many rounds you want. it’s not hard heck a 4yr old can do it.

People will be able to print many objects in the future, maybe guns too

3D printers - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printing

 

[po18guy]

Cuomo: "“At what point do you say, ‘No more innocent loss of life’?”

How many abortions that same day, Governor?

 

[fbl9]

People will be able to print many objects in the future, maybe guns too

3D printers - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printing

quite the technoligy, yes it seeems that a gun could be produced yet a live round could not be produced using this technology.

 

[_Abyssinia]

therightscoop.com/powerful-ny-senator-we-havent-saved-any-lives-tonight-except-the-political-life-of-a-gov-who-wants-to-be-president

NY Senator on gun control: We haven’t saved any lives tonight except the political life of a Gov. who wants to be president

 

[Kelfa28]

Adam Lanza did not use an AR 15 in the school, he left it in the car, and 4 handguns were recovered from the school

Adam Lanza didn’t even have an AR-15 in the trunk of his car…he had a shotgun.

One way an AR-15 is identified is by a charging handle on the very back of the gun, right above the stock.

The weapon he had in his trunk was a shotgun evident by the charging handle on the side and a SHELL being expelled when the officer cleared the weapon.

Yet the MSM splashed it around that he had an AR-15…a bushmaster no less.

Now a massive assault weapons ban is happening based on poor reporting and panic.

There is video of an officer removing the weapon that was in the back of his truck…it’s all over the place. Unless anyone can photoshop an AR-15 in the place of that shot gun that was pulled out of Adam Lanza’s trunk…it will still be a shot gun that has been grossly misidentified.

Bushmaster needs to sue the MSM for negligence and slander.

 

[Bill_Martin]

Blatantly unconstitutional and I hope nobody complies.

 

[YoungTradCath]

Yeah, they can do all they want. The problem is not going to be solved, I’m completely confident of that.

 

[pnewton]

I predict that any quick, reactionary law will prove to be ill-conceived and counter-productive.

Such much for being sensible.

 

[pnewton]

I’m not buying Cuomo’s concern to save lives with his gun laws, as he’s trying to pass the Abortion Expansion Bill.

The speed at which the action occurs shows me it was nothing but politically expedience and grandstanding.

 

[Kelfa28]

Totally unconstitutional.

Who does any government official think they are by telling me how many rounds I’m allowed to carry?

Registering weapons means only one thing…confiscation. When the commies come to take the weapons, where will they look? Oh, that’s right…those lists we compiled.

Russia did it during the communist take over…and apparently Americans are signing up for this too.

Everyone who approves of this should be ashamed. All of those vets who gave their lives for our freedoms and for our constitution, going back to the revolutionary war, are rolling in their graves.

 

[oldcelt]

Setting the Record Straight: Adam Lanza Did use the Bushmaster AR-15

The fact is, Adam Lanza used a handgun to take his own life, but he relied on the Bushmaster AR-15 to kill most of the victims. He did use that gun. You don’t have to believe me. Believe Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance:

The primary weapon used in the attack was a “Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon,” said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance.

redstate.com/2012/12/27/setting-the-record-straight-adam-lanza-did-use-the-bushmaster-ar-15/

Seems to be some conflicting information on this thread. I’ll go with the Lt. until the official report is released.

 

[oldcelt]

Totally unconstitutional.

Who does any government official think they are by telling me how many rounds I’m allowed to carry?

Registering weapons means only one thing…confiscation. When the commies come to take the weapons, where will they look? Oh, that’s right…those lists we compiled.

Russia did it during the communist take over…and apparently Americans are signing up for this too.

Everyone who approves of this should be ashamed. All of those vets who gave their lives for our freedoms and for our constitution, going back to the revolutionary war, are rolling in their graves.

Justice Scalia, hardly a wild-eyed liberal disagrees with you.

“It will have to be decided in future cases,” Scalia said on Fox News Sunday. But there were legal precedents from the days of the Founding Fathers that banned frightening weapons which a constitutional originalist like himself must recognize. There were also “locational limitations” on where weapons could be carried, the justice noted.

nationaljournal.com/scalia-guns-may-be-regulated-20120729

 

[oldcelt]

The speed at which the action occurs shows me it was nothing but politically expedience and grandstanding.

Agreed.

 

[Kelfa28]

Justice Scalia, hardly a wild-eyed liberal disagrees with you.

nationaljournal.com/scalia-guns-may-be-regulated-20120729

It doesn’t matter what he thinks. Besides…he uses a blatantly subjective word: frightening.
That makes her opinion null and totally opinion based.

There is one little thing in the second amendment that everyone seems to ignore and that is: this right cannot be infringed upon.
Therefore you can’t make any laws that infringe the rights of owning a gun to protect yourself.

This is exactly what they are doing…especially the part of the law that requires owners to register their weapons.

Registration leads to confiscation.

 

[pnewton]

Everyone who approves of this should be ashamed…

We should only feel shame for sins we commit. We also need to understand that our own opinions are not binding on the consciences of others, especially where there is a wide lattitude of acceptable moral opinion. For instance, you keep saying registration leads to confiscation. I hope you understand that this too is just an opinion and not binding on anyone to believe, even if you say it a hundred times.

 

[_Abyssinia]

New gun law has a lot of holes

Mass killers still have access to plenty of firepower under New York’s new assault-weapon ban.

These two Benelli MR1 rifles have equal killing power — yet the one at the top is illegal to buy because of its “military” grip while the other is perfectly fine under the gun law signed by Gov. Cuomo last night.

The law also bans magazines holding more than seven rounds, yet has no provision limiting the number of clips someone can buy.

So a Newtown- or Aurora-style mass-killer can simply bring dozens of legal-capacity clips, which could be swapped out in just a second or two during a shooting spree.

“A 30-round magazine is no more dangerous than two 15-round magazines, or more dangerous than three 10-round magazines, or more dangerous than six 5-round magazines,” said Jerold E. Levine, a Manhattan lawyer and gun-rights advocate.

“It takes only two seconds to change the magazine in a semiautomatic gun,” he said.

Benelli says its 37-inch-long MR1 Comfort-Tech Synthetic — with a suggested retail price of $1,469 — is “the best home defense available.”

With or without the now-illegal pistol grip, the MR1 uses Remington .223 bullets, which are about the size of AA batteries and are interchangeable with similar-sized NATO military cartridges.

“A real joy to shoot,” said a reviewer for Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement magazine.

“Reliable, accurate . . . . something undeniably different,” said a review in Guns and Ammo.

As he signed the bill, Cuomo scoffed at the idea that restricting magazine sizes won’t make the public any safer. He said curbing magazine size from the old limit of 10 bullets to the new limit of seven reduces “the capacity to kill lots of human beings in a short period of time.”

The new law includes several other restrictions on weapon design that gun-rights advocates were still digesting yesterday.

The law bars folding or telescoping rifle shoulder stocks. It also bars rifles with bayonet mounts and flash suppressors — which some gun enthusiasts consider no more than decoration anyhow.

Some gun-rights advocates were worried about the law’s ban on any rifle pistol grip “that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon” — language that they worried could be broadly defined to include many common rifles.

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