NY seals 1st state gun laws since Newtown massacre

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TimeEntrance said:
I’m pretty sure the Marine Corps culture promotes killing your enemy when engaged in battle. There is not a “shoot to injure” culture in the Corps.
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Note that I never said anything about ‘shoot to injure’. The desire is to render the enemy to be ‘combat ineffective’. You aim for center mass. You fire till the target goes down and ceases to be a combat asset. You call for medical assistance when the area is secure.

But you are correct. In the Corps like in the Army even privates are instilled with the morals–and instructed–to take prisoners and not execute people on spot after the battle ceases.
But the process of the battle itself is one of killing on the macro level. For instance, in training, when dug in and our position is being over run, those with M-16’s would switch from single fire to three round bursts and spray indiscriminately within each rifleman’s zone of fire. That’s not about attempting to injure. Nor is donning bayonet and spearing your enemy.
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You are correct. It is not about attempting to injure. The intent is to render the target combat ineffective. To take them out of the battle as a combat asset. No more, no less.
(and there was no such thing as ‘indiscriminate fire’ , even suppressive fire is targeted towards an enemy. It differs from direct targeted fire in that the target is the enemy formation, not a specific combat asset.
I know what you are saying but you are assessing this from the stand point of the person behind the gun or from the officer, soldier, or civilian protecting his or her home, property, family, or body.
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That is probably because I was an Army Officer ( Maj). I was the Battalion S-3 for an Armor Battalion. It was my job to make sure the troopers knew the rules of engagement. What they could, and could NOT do as members of the US military (and as ethical human beings)
 
Brendan said:
Note that I never said anything about ‘shoot to injure’. The desire is to render the enemy to be ‘combat ineffective’.
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The language you are using is common and serves a critical purpose. It describes the motive behind using deadly force. I can see where someone might misunderstand this to mean shoot to injure, but that is neither implied by these terms nor is it meant by them.

If someone breaks into my home and I am armed, my duty to my family is neutralize the threat of the intuder. I can do this by fleeing, or by calling the police, perhaps. I might neutralize the threat with a less than lethal, like aeresol pepper spray to deny entry into the area that is occupied. All of this is to neutralize the threat.

The one thing I do not see happening is shooting to injure. If the threat is so immediate and so persistant as to require discharging a weapon, it is going to need to be neutralized quickly and surely, center mass. Yet our desire is not to kill, but to neutralize, render the person combat ineffective.

I would suggest that everyone heed Brendan’s wording. If you are ever in this situation, what you say may be critical.
 
What does ‘Benedict Cuomo’ mean?

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Assault-rifle owners statewide are organizing a mass boycott of Gov. Cuomo’s new law mandating they register their weapons, daring officials to “come and take it away,” The Post has learned.
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Gun-range owners and gun-rights advocates are encouraging hundreds of thousands of owners to defy the law, saying it’d be the largest act of civil disobedience in state history.
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“I’ve heard from hundreds of people that they’re prepared to defy the law, and that number will be magnified by the thousands, by the tens of thousands, when the registration deadline comes,’’ said Brian Olesen, president of the American Shooters Supply, one of the largest gun dealers in the state.
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Officials estimate at least 1 million semiautomatic rifles are owned in the state, sources said.
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N.Y. Gov. Cuomo sees approval rating drop after new gun laws
The tough new gun restrictions pushed by New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo may have caused a hit to his approval rating, according to a poll released Wednesday, though the Democrat still remains popular with voters in the Empire State.
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The Quinnipiac University
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survey indicated that 59% of New York voters approve of the job Cuomo is doing as governor, down from a 74% approval rating in a poll released last month.
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/30/n-y-gov-cuomo-sees-approval-rating-drop-after-new-gun-laws
 
_Abyssinia said:
Adam Lanza did not use an AR 15 in the school, he left it in the car, and 4 handguns were recovered from the school

New gun law is terrible for law abiding citizens in NY. A semi atomatic rifle is the best tool of defense from intruders. I have read many stories of people who had to shoot multiple times to stop 1 intruder, 33 times on 1 occasion, imagine if there are multiple intruders

It is ridiclous for people to be allowed to keep their semi automatic rifles, and there must be many in ownership, yet you are banned from buying a new one

NY needs to oust Cuomo from office
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According to the coroner, Adam Lanza used the AR15. Reports were corrected as time went by. Holmes, Spengler, and the mall shooter also used AR15s.

Setting the Record Straight: Adam Lanza Did use the Bushmaster AR-15
The primary weapon used in the attack was a “Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon,” said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance.
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_Abyssinia said:
youtube.com/watch?v=PeHyg_0qrkk

I got info from nbc who said according to state and federal officials 4 handguns were found in school
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If this administration can say an unknown Utube video was the cause for the murder of an ambassador and 3 other Americans despite compelling evidence to the contrary for political expediency what would stop them from fabricating this claim when they can control what information is ever made available?
 
Correct me if I am wrong but this law also restricts law enforcement from having too many bullets in a clip.

If this is true then I have serious problem with it because while some might make the argument that the average person doesn’t need a 30 clip, it is entirely different for law enforcement.
 
New York Governor Favors Easing Newly Passed Gun Law
But after weeks of criticism from gun owners, Mr. Cuomo said on Wednesday that he would seek to ease the restriction, which he said had proved unworkable even before it was scheduled to take effect on April 15.
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The gun-control law, approved in January, banned the sale of magazines that hold more than seven rounds of ammunition. But, Mr. Cuomo said Wednesday, seven-round magazines are not widely manufactured. And, although the new gun law provided an exemption for the use of 10-round magazines at firing ranges and competitions, it did not provide a legal way for gun owners to purchase such magazines.
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As a result, he said, he and legislative leaders were negotiating language that would continue to allow the sale of magazines holding up to 10 rounds, but still forbid New Yorkers from loading more than 7 rounds into those magazines.
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“There is no such thing as a seven-bullet magazine,” Mr. Cuomo said at a news conference. “That doesn’t exist. So you really have no practical option.”
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For some reason I missed the headlines announcing the massive drop in crime due to the passage of this law.
 
Massive civil disobedience and jury nullification will take care of these foolish laws.

Nobody I know is going to register anything.

Cuomo ruined any chance he had getting into the white house.
 
SamH said:
For some reason I missed the headlines announcing the massive drop in crime due to the passage of this law.
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Wait a minute…I just saw a headline news article showing lines of crooks registering their guns! No more murders!
 
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