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Actually the passing of this abomination may be the best thing that has happened for conservatism and limited govt in a generation
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Jeanne_S
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This is true however it will probable take more than one generation to undo the ruinous policies of the left.
Look at Japan they have been in a malaise for twenty some years,this is what I don’t get.Lookingbat other countries,observing what hasn’t worked for them,I would think this should be a glaring sign as what not to do.
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Lormar
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You are half right. I will give you my opinion. I repeat, this is only my opinion.
I was born in this country many, many, many decades ago, and this is what I have observed:
- There are Americans who lives off the system and let others (the media) tell them what to think. They are too busy posting their private lives on Facebook, or yakking on their Obama phones, or watching the boob tube to care about anything. Keep them occupied with bread and circuses and they won’t notice a thing.
- There are Americans who actually believe that the government is going in the right direction. Most of these are well educated and have degrees enough to wallpaper a den. Their intelligence is used against them, and they are so proud that the idea that they could actually be played for fools and duped is too fantastic for them to even contemplate.
- As for the Americans who see what is really going on, the reason why they do nothing is because they are dealing with amoral and ruthless people. They can’t fight them on their level. Most committed Christians couldn’t. It would be a sin to do so as they use devious methods to achieve their ends - the ends justify whatever means it takes.
The liberals are very organized and they stick together. No matter what. They usually don’t turn on one another, unless the word has come down to do so.
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Darryl1958
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Cynicism, which is the hallmark of a people who have internalized their defeat, breeds inertia.
The examples of cynicism here have some people succumbing to the idea that even if Obama lied and millions have lost the plans that they liked, there is nothing that can be done, since the other side is evil personified.
Others see the forces of the left too powerful to be stood up to, and that America is already too far gone down the road of corruption to be saved anyway.
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Lormar
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I just want to clarify that I am know there are many families and individuals who are struggling and who have need of government assistance in some form. I did not mean my #1 to be some sort of blanket statement. It isn’t easy today to make ends meet, and it is getting, thanks to the present administration, harder.
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ProVobis
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In physics, there is the entropy principle. Things become more and more disorganized at time goes on. The best one can hope for is no change, at least on a temporary basis.This is true however it will probable take more than one generation to undo the ruinous policies of the left.
Look at Japan they have been in a malaise for twenty some years,this is what I don’t get.Lookingbat other countries,observing what hasn’t worked for them,I would think this should be a glaring sign as what not to do.
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Jeanne_S
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gamewell45
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From what I understand,80% of American’s who already have insurance through their employers will be totally unaffected. The other 20%, because their insurance policies do not meet minimum federal standards, will be impacted by this. LIkewise those who have their own policies that do not meet federal standards will likewise be impacted by this. The good thing is that they’ll be able to get insurance that meets federal standards and thus remain totally insured.
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estesbob
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And this justifies (under the probably incorrect premise that what you say is correct) lying to the American people because.?
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SaintAugustine
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I would think that being able to get insurance that will meet your needs is more important than getting insurance that meets a federal standard (which includes abortion coverage, birth control, etc.).
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HoneyBea
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What he said!I would think that being able to get insurance that will meet your needs is more important than getting insurance that meets a federal standard (which includes abortion coverage, birth control, etc.).
This is just another case of the elitists telling us what is good for us, because we are too dumb to discern for ourselves and select our own coverage. They know better, so they will force it upon us minions. Who ever is falling for this spiel? “You poor minion, you simply didn’t have good insurance before and you just didn’t know any better- you are a victim of your own ignorance and evil insurance companies, but don’t worry we are fixing that for you- we will be your savior- signed the government”
Oh. and never mind it was pitches to us as a flat out lie. Never mind that part, because for Liberals the end always justifies the means.
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ProVobis
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Also to stay out of bankruptcy court.
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bellasbane
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Two great posts from the Washington Post:
This is why Obamacare is canceling some people’s insurance plans
The shocking truth about Obamacare’s rate shock
I liked best Ezra Klein’s final statements on the issue:
Some people will find the new rules make insurance more expensive. That’s in part because their health insurance was made cheap by turning away sick people. The new rules also won’t allow for as much discrimination based on age or gender. The flip side of that, of course, is that many will suddenly find their health insurance is much cheaper, or they will find that, for the first time, they’re not turned away when they try to buy health insurance.
That’s why the law is expected to insure almost 25 million people in the first decade: It makes health insurance affordable and accessible to millions who couldn’t get it before. To judge it from a baseline that leaves them out – a baseline that asks only what the wealthy and healthy will pay and ignores the benefits to the poor, the sick, the old, and women – well, that is a bit shocking.
It is good to see that Ezra Klein understands what it means to order society towards the Common Good. I am surprised at how little attention this basic principle of Catholic Social Teaching has been given in the context of this particular debate.
If contributing to the Common Good means that those who can afford it will have to pay a bit more for insurance that offers comprehensive coverage and cannot exclude people who need it the most, then I for one am in favor of it. All the outrage over people having to give up their cheap insurance seems a bit selfish to me.
Catholic Social Teaching on Poverty, an Option for the Poor, and the Common Good
This is why Obamacare is canceling some people’s insurance plans
The shocking truth about Obamacare’s rate shock
I liked best Ezra Klein’s final statements on the issue:
Some people will find the new rules make insurance more expensive. That’s in part because their health insurance was made cheap by turning away sick people. The new rules also won’t allow for as much discrimination based on age or gender. The flip side of that, of course, is that many will suddenly find their health insurance is much cheaper, or they will find that, for the first time, they’re not turned away when they try to buy health insurance.
That’s why the law is expected to insure almost 25 million people in the first decade: It makes health insurance affordable and accessible to millions who couldn’t get it before. To judge it from a baseline that leaves them out – a baseline that asks only what the wealthy and healthy will pay and ignores the benefits to the poor, the sick, the old, and women – well, that is a bit shocking.
It is good to see that Ezra Klein understands what it means to order society towards the Common Good. I am surprised at how little attention this basic principle of Catholic Social Teaching has been given in the context of this particular debate.
If contributing to the Common Good means that those who can afford it will have to pay a bit more for insurance that offers comprehensive coverage and cannot exclude people who need it the most, then I for one am in favor of it. All the outrage over people having to give up their cheap insurance seems a bit selfish to me.
Catholic Social Teaching on Poverty, an Option for the Poor, and the Common Good
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SaintAugustine
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See, everyone? It’s a positive thing that our president lied to us. We should all thank him and the Democrats for lying to us and failing in their launch of the bloated bureaucratic mess that the majority of Americans don’t want.
I hope he lies some more and gives us even more things we don’t want…he knows best.
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HoneyBea
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How about those who could afford it before and can now not afford to pay “a bit more” seems selfish either way you want to angle it. The bottom line force is not how virtue is fostered. The Catholic social teaching on Poverty foster virtue. Obamacare is a distortion of that and uses guilt to persuade good people. The means does not justify the end.
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estesbob
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So we have went from" your premiums will drop 2,500 a year" to “your premiums may go up but it’s for the greater good”? If Obamacare is so good why did they have to lie to sell it to the American people?
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Jeanne_S
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Yes,and apparently,in the view of the Dems ,raising the costs for those who can afford it,you know,for the common good,should include,across the board,coverage for prostate treatment,viagra( even if one is a female ,and coverage for birth control,abortion invitro fertilization,maternity,etc,even if you are a male and even breast pumps,etc…See, everyone? It’s a positive thing that our president lied to us. We should all thank him and the Democrats for lying to us and failing in their launch of the bloated bureaucratic mess that the majority of Americans don’t want.
I hope he lies some more and gives us even more things we don’t want…he knows best.
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zz912
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Your understanding is incorrect. From the Obama Administration:
forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/
*If you read the Affordable Care Act when it was passed, you knew that it was dishonest for President Obama to claim that “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan,” as he did—and continues to do—on countless occasions. And we now know that the administration knew this all along. It turns out that in an obscure report buried in a June 2010 edition of the Federal Register, administration officials predicted massive disruption of the private insurance market.
“The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and become illegal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.*
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bellasbane
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I do not see how it promotes the Common Good to make people pay more for health care coverage based on their gender any more than it does to make them pay more based on their age or overall health. That’s discrimination.Yes,and apparently,in the view of the Dems ,raising the costs for those who can afford it,you know,for the common good,should include,across the board,coverage for prostate treatment,viagra( even if one is a female ,and coverage for birth control,abortion invitro fertilization,maternity,etc,even if you are a male and even breast pumps,etc…
Plus, breast pumps are good for society - as is maternity care.
As for the particulars of what must be covered - that is largely up to the states to decide:
States will still have to make sure that their health insurance plans cover all 10 categories mandated in the Affordable Care Act. But they’ll get more flexibility to decide at what level. They’d be allowed, according to the 15-page guidance, to tell insurance companies to cover whatever one of their larger, small group insurance plans in the state covers. Or, they could benchmark their plan to cover the benefits that state employees get.
washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/what-counts-as-essential-health-care-white-house-tells-states-to-decide/2011/12/16/gIQAzOAmyO_blog.html
Regarding abortion in particular, a state may prohibit qualified health plans offered through the exchanges from covering abortions. If they do cover abortions, they cannot cover the cost using any federal funds but must collect a separate fee for them.
naic.org/documents/committees_b_Exchanges.pdf
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