Obama and Romney Hit Final Stretch Part 3

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I watch quite a bit of PBS. Admittedly, it has declined compared to years past, but it’s still miles ahead of most of the other television fare.
I watch British comedy on PBS. Otherwise, sports, black and white movies, and occasionally cartoons. MSNBC programming can be substituted for the last category.
 
Wait for Paul Ryan then: 2016 or 2020. (Talk about a nightmare scenario.)
NO president can overturn Roe vss Wade, sheesh.

You might as well hope for a Supreme COurt that can declare war. People seem to get annoyted at the Separation of Powers, but it is there for a reason.

You appoint a President who will nominate judges that will overturn RvW if given the chance, and will use the powers of his branch to minimize the damage one by settled law. Much like Bush did the the fetal stem cell ban, the Mexico City ban, and appointing Roberts and Alito. Obama will nominate the most virulent pro-choice judges he can scrape up. No dice for most of us.

I couldn’t care less whether Romney is effective or not, as long as we get one more conservative to replace Darth Bader Ginsburg.
 
I watch quite a bit of PBS. Admittedly, it has declined compared to years past, but it’s still miles ahead of most of the other television fare.
I don’t have TV service, but I do occasionally watch History Detectives with the kids…good show with a great theme song. I’ve seen some recent Sesame Street…meh.

Other than that, I was just kidding. 🙂
 
NO president can overturn Roe vss Wade, sheesh.

You might as well hope for a Supreme COurt that can declare war. People seem to get annoyted at the Separation of Powers, but it is there for a reason.

You appoint a President who will nominate judges that will overturn RvW if given the chance, and will use the powers of his branch to minimize the damage one by settled law. Much like Bush did the the fetal stem cell ban, the Mexico City ban, and appointing Roberts and Alito. Obama will nominate the most virulent pro-choice judges he can scrape up. No dice for most of us.

I couldn’t care less whether Romney is effective or not, as long as we get one more conservative to replace Darth Bader Ginsburg.
Well said, He Man. Unfortunately we still get the " Romney won’t ban abortion, won’t overturn Roe V Wade" nonsense.

Ishii
 
This two party system no longer works. One side is using religious idealism as a means to block any progress or compromise. They are obsessed with abortion and gay marriage, the other side is a compassionate liberals who compromise way too easily. We should divide the country into blue land and red land. The two sides can do as they please. No more arguing over persona issues like abortion. Things get done and everyone is happy.
You ARE joking,right?Your comments are very disturbing,considering you saybyouvareva Catholic:eek:
 
The programs on PBS, if they have merit, would survive a cut in funding.

Ishii
My main point is that there isn’t much funding to begin with, so that a cut would not be significant and would not reduce the deficit. That’s why the Romney example of saying good-by to PBS funding and Big Bird is so silly.
 
I would be happy to live in a red state like Utah. Atheists, secular humanists, agnostics, feminists, abortionists, environmentalists, socialists, the politically correct, and other Obama voters might be happier living in Massachusetts. Have to give it some thought, but only if Alec Baldwin is not given a passport to visit red territory. 🙂
Funny how I get a warning for my comments, but comments like this are completely fine with the moderators. I guess expressing critical thinking and a different point of view are not encouraged around here.

It’s especially interesting that you mention Massachusetts - the state where Mitt served, yet the majority of people there don’t support him. What does that say about Romney?

As far as living in Utah - you’d love that until one day you’re unemployed and your son or daughter gets sick and you have no insurance - leaving you at the mercy of a for profit company.

One of my best friends has been ill the last few years and he was raised in a very right wing environment. He was unable to get any health care because he and his wife were self-employed. Fortunately he can now get health care, but when he realized how sick America was in terms of making something that everyone should have a right to have access to into instead, a multi-billion dollar business, he could see the flaws in the GOP. He lives in the midwest, where he was told churches would provide assistance for him. Well guess what? Not one church offered to help him out with his health care. This whole thing that Fox News raves about is just not true.
 
You ARE joking,right?Your comments are very disturbing,considering you saybyouvareva Catholic:eek:
No, I’m not. Answer this one question - how will things get done if we continue to have the same people fighting in congress all the time?
 
If Obama wins in the Electoral College alone, there’ll be no end of grumbling from the right wing, and we can kiss any prayer of the two sides working together goodbye.
To use your usual tactic,Rich…and if Romney wins,we can be sure that the Dems will be work with him?:cool:
 
Yes, Benghazi scandal. I know some would like this annoying issue to go away. Its about the cover up. What did Obama know and when did he know it?
What difference does it make except to the hard rightwingers? What has Romney said about it? Is he making it one of the lynchpins of his campaign? 🤷
 
I watch quite a bit of PBS. Admittedly, it has declined compared to years past, but it’s still miles ahead of most of the other television fare.
We need Wild America back!!!

I can totally and honestly say that watching PBS shaped my love of knowledge. My love of reading was likely spurred by Reading Rainbow, and my fascination with science begun with 3-2-1- Contact.

We didn’t have cable and my parents weren’t the type to really push a love of learning. It had to come from me and I have to give PBS a lot of credit for that.

Commercialization of PBS will quickly turn it into just another Discovery Channel, complete with “Shark Week” and “When Animals Attack!”.
 
NO president can overturn Roe vss Wade, sheesh.

You might as well hope for a Supreme COurt that can declare war. People seem to get annoyted at the Separation of Powers, but it is there for a reason.

You appoint a President who will nominate judges that will overturn RvW if given the chance, and will use the powers of his branch to minimize the damage one by settled law. Much like Bush did the the fetal stem cell ban, the Mexico City ban, and appointing Roberts and Alito. Obama will nominate the most virulent pro-choice judges he can scrape up. No dice for most of us.

I couldn’t care less whether Romney is effective or not, as long as we get one more conservative to replace Darth Bader Ginsburg.
Who’s talking about Roe v. Wade? The whole abortion issue is not on the top of my list. I’m implicitly referring to Ryan’s proposed austerity budget.
 
To use your usual tactic,Rich…and if Romney wins,we can be sure that the Dems will be work with him?:cool:
No. I never said in any post that a Democratic victory would mean a Golden Era of cooperation with the GOP. But, I’m certain, that an O Electoral College win combined with an R popular win will not lead to any sort of kumbaya hand-holding by the two.
 
Funny how I get a warning for my comments, but comments like this are completely fine with the moderators. I guess expressing critical thinking and a different point of view are not encouraged around here.

It’s especially interesting that you mention Massachusetts - the state where Mitt served, yet the majority of people there don’t support him. What does that say about Romney?

As far as living in Utah - you’d love that until one day you’re unemployed and your son or daughter gets sick and you have no insurance - leaving you at the mercy of a for profit company.

One of my best friends has been ill the last few years and he was raised in a very right wing environment. He was unable to get any health care because he and his wife were self-employed. Fortunately he can now get health care, but when he realized how sick America was in terms of making something that everyone should have a right to have access to into instead, a multi-billion dollar business, he could see the flaws in the GOP. He lives in the midwest, where he was told churches would provide assistance for him. Well guess what? Not one church offered to help him out with his health care. This whole thing that Fox News raves about is just not true.
Obviously, I’m joking. Your proposal was either offered as fantasy or a joke; the U.S. will never divide itself by ideology. And, believe it or not, people of all ideological stripes generally get along fine in daily living situations. I do.
 
No. I never said in any post that a Democratic victory would mean a Golden Era of cooperation with the GOP. But, I’m certain, that an O Electoral College win combined with an R popular win will not lead to any sort of kumbaya hand-holding by the two.
Under no circumstances do I see Obama working with Republicans like Bill Clinton did after the Republican revolution. Zero percent chance, not even that high a percentage.
 
Now, I am confused. Did you vote Bush in 2004?
Yes, I did. My reasons were personal. I stated them in a thread on conscience issues which I started on Catholics and other Christians serving in the military.

I was not enamored with Mr. Bush. We also did not know yet exactly why we had gone into Iraq, though we thought we did. We did know that the follow on strategy had been grossly mismanaged by the civilian leadership. As a military person, I felt a strong responsibility to do my part to finish honorably, the job we started in Iraq.

At first I was relieved that a veteran was running, who had served in Viet Nam. I thought that he had been attacked unfairly by T. Boone Pickens, who drummed of the fake “swift boat” controversy. I was not able to follow the election very closely, actually I followed very little of it live. But by 2004, I did have email access, and some limited internet access much of the time. By the time the election approached, I believed that I could not tell what Mr Kerry would do. He was flip flopping on all the issue to garner votes.

Once a candidate starts doing that, I usually won’t vote for that candidate.

I voted for Mr. Bush because I felt a strong personal tie to finishing up that war, and I felt that he was the best candidate for that. I disagreed with his economic and social policies in many ways. However, I was also not at all certain that Mr Kerry would be any better. So, I picked him as the best choice in alignment with my values, out of two poor choices.
 
Under no circumstances do I see Obama working with Republicans like Bill Clinton did after the Republican revolution. Zero percent chance, not even that high a percentage.
I agree entirely. Will R/R work with the Dems? Not throwing it back at you, but I don’t see any real inclination to reach a hand across the aisle there either. The positions are just too far apart for compromise IMO.
 
I agree entirely. Will R/R work with the Dems? Not throwing it back at you, but I don’t see any real inclination to reach a hand across the aisle there either. The positions are just too far apart for compromise IMO.
Of course he will. He has a track record of working with the other party. 🤷
 
Who’s talking about Roe v. Wade? The whole abortion issue is not on the top of my list. I’m implicitly referring to Ryan’s proposed austerity budget.
The austerity approach has not worked in Europe. The pundits think that it has resulted in a “double dip”, which is what every economist and politician has been afraid of.

Mr. Ryan’s austerity package is even more severe than the German one, which is now reviled in Germany and throughout Europe. I don’t know enough about it, but there are plenty who think that it would plunge us into an even worse recession.

Besides, it can never be enacted. What we will get is a tax break for the rich, projections for revenue increases by increased economic activity which will not happen, and projections of cost cutting which will not happen. In other words, yet larger deficit spending as revenues decline and spending increases, while portfolios swell for the 10%. He must have been smoking something to think that any US Congress would adopt his plan.
 
Well said, He Man. Unfortunately we still get the " Romney won’t ban abortion, won’t overturn Roe V Wade" nonsense.
Romney can overturn Roe vs. Wade by appointing pro-life judges who are certain to overturn Roe vs. Wade if challenged in the court. But Romney says he has no litmus test for judges and also that he won’t support national legislation restricting abortion.

The problem is that he has had a very pro-choice position in the past when it was politically expedient and now a more moderate tone when it is politically expedient. It is perfectly reasonable to question his sincerity about his partial pro-life convictions. On issues relating to the budget and foreign diplomacy, Romney is not conservative in the pure sense but more of a “neo-conservative”.

Proceed with the Romney cheer-leading.
 
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