Obama and Romney Hit the Final Stretch PT 2

[Observer3]

Rusmussen is a joke. They poll only land-line phones and that explains why they are always 8 points to the right of the truth.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I pop in this place from time to time and lurk here mostly because there are some interesting discussions. Of course I don’t agree with everything here, but I always like to try to understand where people are coming from. I’m happy to answer any questions, but I didn’t see any specifically from the poster you are quoting.

As far as transparency goes, I can’t disagree that I have been disappointed with Obama on this and some other things. But that doesn’t take away from the dozens of wonderful things he’s accomplished, such as improving health care, capturing Bin Laden, saving the auto industry, and creating steady job growth in a country on the edge of disaster from the previous administration. Also, I can’t tell what Mitt believes - he lies so much I don’t think he even knows what he believes. He said in the debate “I’ll create 12 million jobs…” and then in the same debate says “Government doesn’t create jobs.” He was for Obamacare, then against it, and now wants to keep parts of it. He changes his stance like the weather in the midwest.

I see a lot more pro-life plans being proposed from Obama than Mitt Romney. Romney wants to end Medicare and Medicaid - not very pro-life for our seniors. Mitt wants to allow children to get denied health care - not very pro-life. Paul Ryan wants to force people to have children that are raped - not pro-freedom, but rather a dictatorship. I know many of you on here see things one way, but I try to look at everything as a whole. Life and God has taught me things are not black and white, and simply voting for a party because they are supposedly “Christian” is dangerous and irresponsible. I’m not a democrat or republican BTW.

I was talking with my grandpa the other day. He was telling me how he’s been a life long republican, but changed his voting in 2008. I asked him why he voted for Obama, and he said “because the modern day republican party has become really nasty and violent. They are no longer the prudent Christians they used to be. We now have radicals who want to project their beliefs on everyone. Also, Obama had some great ideas, including the goal of saving medicare and social security.” If every republican knew today’s republican party is not like how it used to be, they would not vote republican.

Obama did not get Bin Laden, SEALs did. SOF capabilities that produced a successful hunt for Bin Laden were honed on George Bush’s watch, General McChrystal in Iraq especially. Procedures of drone strikes, techniques and tactics were honed on George Bush’s watch. Financial levers that are pressing Iran today were perfected by George Bush’s team

Romney does not want to end medicare. Medicare on the current path will be bankrupt by 2024 say the medicare trustees, so something has to change and the Romney/Ryan plan would save medicare for future recipients and leave things unchanged for those nearing retirement age. Obama wants to cut $716 billion from medicare will affect current recipients. Medicare cuts in the health care law directly effect the elderly by cutting medicare advantage payment rates by 2017 an average of $3700 for every person. 27% below what recipients would receive with out the new helath care law. If they lose $3700 annually in Medicare from 65 years old until their death at 78 they would lose $44000 in benefits and medicare spending would increase $25 billion with the new health care law. New health care law has a 15 member bureaucrat unelected board which will likely impact the elderly’s health care because they will look at health care records, and how many quality years you have left and if they believe you have few quality years and the cost of a treatment is high you may get rationing

It is the demcorat party that has radically changed from what it is used to me and alienated many Catholics and people of faith. They used to be pro life and many Catholics were natural fit for the party; then in the 1960s the democrat up took up with Hollywood and pro abortion crowd and now Planned Parenthood funds many democrats in their election campaigns; democrats have become very secular, look how they booed God at the democrat convention

 

[Jeanne_S]

I pop in this place from time to time and lurk here mostly because there are some interesting discussions. Of course I don’t agree with everything here, but I always like to try to understand where people are coming from. I’m happy to answer any questions, but I didn’t see any specifically from the poster you are quoting.

As far as transparency goes, I can’t disagree that I have been disappointed with Obama on this and some other things. But that doesn’t take away from the dozens of wonderful things he’s accomplished, such as improving health care, capturing Bin Laden, saving the auto industry, and creating steady job growth in a country on the edge of disaster from the previous administration. Also, I can’t tell what Mitt believes - he lies so much I don’t think he even knows what he believes. He said in the debate “I’ll create 12 million jobs…” and then in the same debate says “Government doesn’t create jobs.” He was for Obamacare, then against it, and now wants to keep parts of it. He changes his stance like the weather in the midwest.

I see a lot more pro-life plans being proposed from Obama than Mitt Romney. Romney wants to end Medicare and Medicaid - not very pro-life for our seniors. Mitt wants to allow children to get denied health care - not very pro-life. Paul Ryan wants to force people to have children that are raped - not pro-freedom, but rather a dictatorship. I know many of you on here see things one way, but I try to look at everything as a whole. Life and God has taught me things are not black and white, and simply voting for a party because they are supposedly “Christian” is dangerous and irresponsible. I’m not a democrat or republican BTW.

I was talking with my grandpa the other day. He was telling me how he’s been a life long republican, but changed his voting in 2008. I asked him why he voted for Obama, and he said “because the modern day republican party has become really nasty and violent. They are no longer the prudent Christians they used to be. We now have radicals who want to project their beliefs on everyone. Also, Obama had some great ideas, including the goal of saving medicare and social security.” If every republican knew today’s republican party is not like how it used to be, they would not vote republican.

Your post is filled with democrat talking points,all of which are false.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Rusmussen is a joke. They poll only land-line phones and that explains why they are always 8 points to the right of the truth.

To reach those who have abandoned traditional landline telephones, Rasmussen Reports uses an online survey tool to interview randomly selected participants from a demographically diverse panel

rasmussenreports.com/public_content/about_us/methodology

Rasmussen were only off by 1.25% in the final vote in the 2008 presidential election.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Rusmussen is a joke. They poll only land-line phones and that explains why they are always 8 points to the right of the truth.

They were the most accurate in 2008, so not so much.

 

[ringil]

Rusmussen is a joke. They poll only land-line phones and that explains why they are always 8 points to the right of the truth.

Yes. I have heard that about Rasmussen. Using landlines is not a good method. We actually have a landline but never pick it up when it rings. It’s only there for emergencies.

Young people simply don’t have landlines.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Rusmussen is a joke. They poll only land-line phones and that explains why they are always 8 points to the right of the truth.

Then follow Nate Silver or the polls highlighted by the Huffington Post or MSNBC. Ignore Rasmussen.

 

[He_Man]

Rusmussen is a joke. They poll only land-line phones and that explains why they are always 8 points to the right of the truth.

Your erroneous beliefs about his flawed adat aside, why is he typically considered among the most accurate pollsters? Because he is actually not accurate?

 

[boclucky14]

One more small, but major point about Mitt. He’s often projected as a successful business man. However, he’s created many of the lowest wage jobs in the country. Jobs at Staples usually pay less than $10 an hour. For a multi-billion dollar company, this is inexcusable, especially when math proves they could afford to pay their employees $18 an hour or more. Greed fuels many of these people like Mitt Romney - that’s how he became so successful. Much like Sam Walton’s Wal-Mart, these companies destroy the middle class by providing lousy jobs and destroying all the other competition through lower prices. I never shop at Wal-mart because of this, and they provide awful food so I have no reason to go in there anyway.

Jobs at Staples should be paying $10. I currently work $7.25 at my campus bookstore, and I never get enough hours (luckily, I have a $8.50ish job lined up from December on).

As much as I would love $10 or $15 an hour, I get $7.25, and I agree to it. And even after I get my second job, I’ll still agree to working for $7.25/hour at my current job.

Wage is like any transaction: It’s how much an employee is willing to sell time for, and, on the flip-side, how much the employer is willing to pay for the employee’s time.

If you don’t like what your getting, you can leave it and finda better job. If you can’t find a better job, then, that means, in the current economy, that’s how much your time is worth.

Please tell, why Staples should pay cashiers and store clerks $18/hr when Staples’ products are already expensive, and if anyone is like me, will find Amazon’s prices are much more competitive. A raise to Staples employees will cause prices to increase, and in turn, cause less sells as competitors grab the customers. And, as a result, Staples will have to lay off workers in a downward spiral of going out of business.

On another note, I wish there were more $10 jobs. Have you checked the unemployment rate for young adults? It’s more than 32%. It’s staggering, even with a college education.

The sole reason for that is because $7.25 (Federal Minimum Wage) is simply too high. It’s a price floor, and as with all price floors, there becomes too much supply of labor with insufficient demand of that excess available labor.

If minimum wage was removed, wages would quickly decreases, and the market will reach equilbrium, where, at the market price for labor, everyone who wants a job will find it, and everyone who needs an employee will find one. When this occurs, the market price will begin to rise for the lower-end wage as employers attempt to find more employees.

That’s your real problem.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

One more small, but major point about Mitt. He’s often projected as a successful business man. However, he’s created many of the lowest wage jobs in the country. Jobs at Staples usually pay less than $10 an hour. For a multi-billion dollar company, this is inexcusable, especially when math proves they could afford to pay their employees $18 an hour or more. Greed fuels many of these people like Mitt Romney - that’s how he became so successful. Much like Sam Walton’s Wal-Mart, these companies destroy the middle class by providing lousy jobs and destroying all the other competition through lower prices. I never shop at Wal-mart because of this, and they provide awful food so I have no reason to go in there anyway.

Mitt nonetheless provided jobs for many people who might have otherwise been unemployed. Staples generated business for other entrepreneurs, who in turn hired employees. Plus, Mitt made his investors money, much of went back into the free market. Bain Capital is not a charitable institution. They tried to save businesses, but had to liquidate or sell those that proved to be unprofitable for investors. What do you expect?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

If minimum wage was removed, wages would quickly decreases, and the market will reach equilbrium, where, at the market price for labor, everyone who wants a job will find it, and everyone who needs an employee will find one. When this occurs, the market price will begin to rise for the lower-end wage as employers attempt to find more employees.

That’s your real problem.

Exactly! You are going places, sir. Prayers offered for you.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Observer3, I worked some real nasty and low paying jobs to pay my way through college. I obtained a BA and a JD. Since graduation, I’ve achieved a certain degree of success as a lawyer. I support my family well, contribute to Catholic charities, enjoy life, and pay thousands of dollars in annual taxes to support many of Obama’s constituents. I paid my dues. We have a system of capitalism that allows fairly ambitious people, like me, the opportunity to succeed by the sweat of their own brow. Until you cite me a better economic system, I will continue to support American capitalism.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Observer3, I worked some real nasty and low paying jobs to pay my way through college. I obtained a BA and a JD. Since graduation, I’ve achieved a certain degree of success as a lawyer. I support my family well, contribute to Catholic charities, enjoy life, and pay thousands of dollars in annual taxes to support many of Obama’s constituents. I paid my dues. We have a system of capitalism that allows fairly ambitious people, like me, the opportunity to succeed by the sweat of their own brow. Until you cite me a better economic system, I will continue to support American capitalism.

:clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[DoGodsBidding]

Observer3, I worked some real nasty and low paying jobs to pay my way through college. I obtained a BA and a JD. Since graduation, I’ve achieved a certain degree of success as a lawyer. I support my family well, contribute to Catholic charities, enjoy life, and pay thousands of dollars in annual taxes to support many of Obama’s constituents. I paid my dues. We have a system of capitalism that allows fairly ambitious people, like me, the opportunity to succeed by the sweat of their own brow. Until you cite me a better economic system, I will continue to support American capitalism.

Great use of facts. This is the true American dream, available to all. And let me add, YOU BUILT THAT!

DGB

 

[He_Man]

Yes. I have heard that about Rasmussen. Using landlines is not a good method. We actually have a landline but never pick it up when it rings. It’s only there for emergencies.

Young people simply don’t have landlines.

If it isn’t a good method, why is he considered among the most reliable?

I could care less if he polled via Electronic Fax, he gets results.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Great use of facts. This is the true American dream, available to all. And let me add, YOU BUILT THAT!

DGB

I built that! Indeed! So did my wife, the daughter of a union electrician. She waitressed through college to earn her degree. She is now a high ranking administrator and earns a decent living. We did everything on our own. Blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians, etc., can all get dirty jobs like we did without the aid of affirmative action, trust funds, or family connections. Once you’ve earned the money, apply yourself at school. With sheepskin in hand, head out to the free marketplace, advertise your merits, and sell yourself to the highest bidder. America rewards such efforts. Or at least they will under a Romney administration.

 

[Observer3]

Observer3, I worked some real nasty and low paying jobs to pay my way through college. I obtained a BA and a JD. Since graduation, I’ve achieved a certain degree of success as a lawyer. I support my family well, contribute to Catholic charities, enjoy life, and pay thousands of dollars in annual taxes to support many of Obama’s constituents. I paid my dues. We have a system of capitalism that allows fairly ambitious people, like me, the opportunity to succeed by the sweat of their own brow. Until you cite me a better economic system, I will continue to support American capitalism.

There’s nothing wrong with Capitalism as long is it is held in check. You need rules and regulations, otherwise there’s no level playing field (like the US). Other countries that use a better model of Capitalism are Australia and Britain. They provide tax-paid health care (which is how it should be in the USA), and apply more socialism-type elements to their country. The result is slightly less for the greedy, but everyone in general is better off - fewer people are left out. These two countries also have far better economies than the USA. Australia is really thriving right now.

 

[Observer3]

Your post is filled with democrat talking points,all of which are false.

ALL of which are false? LOL please explain how I am ALL wrong.

 

[Observer3]

They were the most accurate in 2008, so not so much.

If you did some research, you’d know Rasmussen was right only because they changed their prediction the day before election. They had McCain winning most of the way…

 

[Observer3]

Jobs at Staples should be paying $10. I currently work $7.25 at my campus bookstore, and I never get enough hours (luckily, I have a $8.50ish job lined up from December on).

As much as I would love $10 or $15 an hour, I get $7.25, and I agree to it. And even after I get my second job, I’ll still agree to working for $7.25/hour at my current job.

Wage is like any transaction: It’s how much an employee is willing to sell time for, and, on the flip-side, how much the employer is willing to pay for the employee’s time.

If you don’t like what your getting, you can leave it and finda better job. If you can’t find a better job, then, that means, in the current economy, that’s how much your time is worth.

Please tell, why Staples should pay cashiers and store clerks $18/hr when Staples’ products are already expensive, and if anyone is like me, will find Amazon’s prices are much more competitive. A raise to Staples employees will cause prices to increase, and in turn, cause less sells as competitors grab the customers. And, as a result, Staples will have to lay off workers in a downward spiral of going out of business.

On another note, I wish there were more $10 jobs. Have you checked the unemployment rate for young adults? It’s more than 32%. It’s staggering, even with a college education.

The sole reason for that is because $7.25 (Federal Minimum Wage) is simply too high. It’s a price floor, and as with all price floors, there becomes too much supply of labor with insufficient demand of that excess available labor.

If minimum wage was removed, wages would quickly decreases, and the market will reach equilbrium, where, at the market price for labor, everyone who wants a job will find it, and everyone who needs an employee will find one. When this occurs, the market price will begin to rise for the lower-end wage as employers attempt to find more employees.

That’s your real problem.

Sorry, but those are not real wages. I have no desire to be rich or own 4 homes and 5 cars, but I need more than $10 an hour to pay my bills. Thankfully, I don’t have to worry about this, but I see a lot of my friends struggling and it pains me.