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Rich_Olszewski
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Very good ringil.
God is outside of time and space.
You have it, Christine. God is outside, not inside, His universe.
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You have it, Christine. God is outside, not inside, His universe.
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qui_est_ce
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You donāt believe in miracles?
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ringil
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Iām not sure that this is doctrinally true but I am no theologian. It doesnāt āsoundā true though.
I own my ignorance in that matter.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Even that I doubt. I think that folks change their minds, not because God changes those hearts, but because people, with the help of the Holy Ghost, decide to conform their hearts to what God expects of them. God is not the actor, the individual is.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Those are puzzlements to me. If God has decided that something will turn out in a certain way, itās unchangeable - by definition.
Now, if I pray for a relief from cancer, that can be changed because it was not a decision of Godās. It was the consequence of a bodily imperfection or the influence of a carcinogen, etc. IMO.
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Indyann
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Exactly! We are praying for relief from the evil platform of the dem. party.
It is the consequence of the mental imperfection of liberalism and the influence of the devil.
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ringil
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Come on! Really!
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qui_est_ce
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See, that is Atheist philosophy. God is not bound by his rules.
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oldcelt
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qui_est_ce
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Itās the old does the intellect form the will or vice versa? I think both cases can happen.
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ringil
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I know itās tough. I can spout some doctrinal stuff but as a relatively young person who hasnāt felt the pang of deep suffering as you have described before, it would come across as trite.
Iāve been blessed with much of my life so I donāt feel as if I have really been ātestedā with extreme struggles.
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Prodigal_Son1
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If God empowered the Roman Pontius Pilate over Christ, could it have been His will that Obama is in office right now?
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Rich_Olszewski
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But, He is bound by some things. He cannot make a square circle, e.g.
And, He cannot change His perfect, omniscient mind. If He changed His mind, that would mean that His original decision was less than perfect, making Him less than perfect. You have some priest friends, Christine. Run that by them. Theyāll agree that perfection canāt be modified.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Hey, weāre trying to have a serious discussion here.
Mental imperfection? The Devil? I challenge you to provide evidence of these very questionable opinions of yours.
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Indyann
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Yes, really!
Abortion, same sex marriage, threat to religious liberty, all evil.
Those who support evil, suffer from something, not sure what it is.But the devil has to have his spirit in it.
Of course, you may not believe in the devil, so you tell me why anyone would support evil.
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qui_est_ce
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Absolutely.
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qui_est_ce
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Ringil already provided you with that answer!But, He is bound by some things. He cannot make a square circle, e.g.
And, He cannot change His perfect, omniscient mind. If He changed His mind, that would mean that His original decision was less than perfect, making Him less than perfect. You have some priest friends, Christine. Run that by them. Theyāll agree that perfection canāt be modified.
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qui_est_ce
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It is certain that we will be punished for our sins. Even the innocent will suffer for the sins of the guilty.
Millions of babies have already died as a result of sin.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Iād say, āmaybe.ā God doesnāt put men into office. He allows them to be put into office. Consider the Popes. Did God put them into office? No. Look at some of the very poor choices the College of Cardinals made over the centuries.
So, what did God do for the men who became Popes? He sent the Holy Ghost to protect the Faith, the doctrines and dogma because the men didnāt count, but only the eternal teachings of the Catholic Church.
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Indyann
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Of course. It could be His will that Obama will be elected again.
God never promised that we would not suffer.
But we can still pray that our suffering might be lessened.
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