Obama and Romney Hit the Final Stretch PT 2

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What others are called or have called others is irrelevant to whether or not using Obama’s full name is offensive in present-day discourse. I cannot think of any other reason to use Obama’s middle name besides attempting to call to the hearer’s mind some kind of insidious connection to some other guy named Hussein.

Yes, that’s his middle name. It is what it is. But to keep throwing it out there as if it is significant is just petty.

I think “Dubya” was used in much the same way to insinuate that Bush was an ignoramus. I think that’s petty, too. Of course, Bush embraced the “W” in his campaign efforts, so it’s not quite the same.
The middle names of the previous Presidents were innocuous. Obama’s is not.
 
Problem is, state role is not enough sometimes. That is why Obama recognizes things need to be bigger than that. Some states have huge financial problems (many of these republican states).
Yes, because the fed is just sleeping on piles of gold each night. If you figure out a way to do what you liberals want without adding to the debt, by all means, share. If not, then you really don;t get the impacts of financial realities.

That goes for Mitt and the right, too frankly.
 
I studied for my MBA at John Carroll University before receiving my Juris Doctor at a secular university (Cleveland State University). I know Jesuits!
MBA at Southern Illinois U, Edwardsville, and JD at U of Arkansas, Little Rock. Better than some Catholic schools because the professors weren’t at all interested in my faith and so there were no liberal or conservative faculties to contend with.
 
I didn’t accuse you of such. That bunch were posters on the National Catholic Register. (the conservative one, not National Catholic Reporter, the liberal one)
National Catholic register is a reliable Catholic website; NCR is dissenter because they have sometimes denied Church teaching on ordination of women, embryonic stem cell research, marriage etc. They had a full page ad from 'Catholics for a Free Choice, a pro abortion group

Bishop Helmsing said 44 years ago, the National Catholic Reporter ‘does not reflect the teaching of the Church, but on the contrary, has openly and deliberately opposed this teaching…’ and he asked them to drop ‘Catholic’ from their heading, because 'y retaining it they deceive their Catholic readers and do a great disservice to ecumenism by being responsible for the false irenicism of watering down Catholic teachings’
 
One does not necessitate the other. My wife is conservative politically, but she is a devout Charismatic Catholic. We attend different parishes. I happen to be conservative politically and in my liturgical preferences.
Novus Ordo for me, but when I’m home in Brooklyn, I attend Mass in Polish or Italian. 😃
 
National Catholic register is a reliable Catholic website; NCR is dissenter because they have sometimes denied Church teaching on ordination of women, embryonic stem cell research, marriage etc. They had a full page ad from 'Catholics for a Free Choice, a pro abortion group

Bishop Helmsing said 44 years ago, the National Catholic Reporter ‘does not reflect the teaching of the Church, but on the contrary, has openly and deliberately opposed this teaching…’ and he asked them to drop ‘Catholic’ from their heading, because 'y retaining it they deceive their Catholic readers and do a great disservice to ecumenism by being responsible for the false irenicism of watering down Catholic teachings’

Good. I got it right. They’re both NCR otherwise and one can be confused. 😃
 
How about 'about a non-Catholic"?

I think that everyone can be subject to criticism, even fellow Catholics. Did you hear about the battering Cardinal Dolan got from conservative Catholics for inviting the President to that banquet? “Traitor to the faith” and “heretic” among other epithets.🤷

Now, I am for certain a supporter of the Cardinal, but there was little criticism of those holier-than-the Cardinal types saying that.
Who called him a traitor and heretic? I for one argued you could make a case against the invites (as was done in 1996 and 2004), but deferred to his judgement. Can you link to people calling him names, because I have no memory. it was more a discussion of whether the logic of the invites was prudent or not.
 
National Catholic register is a reliable Catholic website; NCR is dissenter because they have sometimes denied Church teaching on ordination of women, embryonic stem cell research, marriage etc. They had a full page ad from 'Catholics for a Free Choice, a pro abortion group

Bishop Helmsing said 44 years ago, the National Catholic Reporter ‘does not reflect the teaching of the Church, but on the contrary, has openly and deliberately opposed this teaching…’ and he asked them to drop ‘Catholic’ from their heading, because 'y retaining it they deceive their Catholic readers and do a great disservice to ecumenism by being responsible for the false irenicism of watering down Catholic teachings’

I subscribe to the National Catholic Register (through EWTN), L’Osservatore Romano (Vatican newspaper available in English through Our Sunday Visitor), and Romana (Opus Dei bi-annual publication from Rome). Conservative enough?
 
I subscribe to the National Catholic Register (through EWTN), L’Osservatore Romano (Vatican newspaper available in English through Our Sunday Visitor), and Romana (Opus Dei bi-annual publication from Rome). Conservative enough?
I do not like to call such outlets conservative, they are just Catholic
 
Wanting to take God out of their platform.

Useless Green Energy Programs like Solyndra while people are denied work in coal mines and and the oil fields. High unemployment.

Wanting to redefine marriage.

Abortion.

Corruption, Unions.

High national debt.

Billions spent on Stimuluses that don’t seem to have worked at all. 1 in 6 Americans in poverty.

If these are Partisan issues, yeah, I’m certainly on oneside.

And apparently health rationing too is in the cards.
 
Who called him a traitor and heretic? I for one argued you could make a case against the invites (as was done in 1996 and 2004), but deferred to his judgement. Can you link to people calling him names, because I have no memory. it was more a discussion of whether the logic of the invites was prudent or not.
Posters on National Catholic Register in the weeks before the banquet made some nasty accusations against his Eminence.
 
Interesting article by Guy Benson at Townhall:

Final NPR Poll: Romney Leads By One, Up Big With Independents

*National polling is going to be tough to come by over the next few days, as pollsters will struggle to get remotely accurate samples from much of the Eastern seaboard. Indeed, Gallup and a few other firms are suspending their tracking polls until the mess is cleared up. For what it’s worth, Rasmussen’s tracker still has Obama locked in at 47 percent, with Romney ahead by two. The Republican maintains a six-point advantage on the economy, and for the first time, fewer than 50 percent of voters think Obama will win re-election. Meanwhile, NPR has released its final national poll of the cycle, taken before the megastorm swamped the Northeast. Its topline result is Romney 48, Obama 47 – but all other signs point to a more sizable Romney lead. Let’s examine a few of the telling data points:
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(1) Sample - The poll surveys 370 Democrats, 306 Republicans and 309 Independents, for a D/R/I of 37/31/31 (D+6).  After weighting, the sample is D+4.  Obama has a statistically insignificant lead in the "swing states" sub-section, which has a much larger margin of error, and clocks in at D+9.  For reasons explained here and here, both partisan splits seem unlikely to reflect this year's electorate -- to say nothing of this.

(2) Enthusiasm - Republicans are more likely than Democrats to rate this election as a "9" or "10" in terms of importance, suggesting an intensity gap.  Republicans outpace Democrats on the "10" scale by ten points (76/66).  Eighty percent of GOP voters responded with either a 9 or 10, while 72 percent of Democrats did the same.

(3) Independents - Right track/wrong track: 30/64.  Obama job approval/disapproval: 42/54, and 39/60 on the economy.  On the head-to-head among indies, it's Romney 51, Obama 39 -- a twelve point lead for the GOP ticket.

(4) Issues - Overall, Romney leads on the economy (50/46), deficits (51/43) and taxes (49/47).  The candidates are roughly tied on healthcare and national security.  Obama holds a small edge on Medicare (50/45) and a more substantial advantage on foreign policy (52/43).

(5) Favorability - This had been Romney's great Achilles' heel and Obama's personal firewall prior to the debates.  Where do voters stand on each of the four candidates today?  Barack Obama: 51/48 (favorable/unfavorable) and 43/53 with independents.  Mitt Romney: 51/45 (54/40 with indies).  Joe Biden: 46/48 (39/53 with indies).  Paul Ryan: 50/40 (52/38 with indies).
Based on these numbers, Barack Obama’s path to victory entails over-performing his 2008 turnout among Democrats, thus overwhelming GOP enthusiasm and Romney’s double-digit lead with independents. So the storyline on November 7 – assuming there was a clear winner the night prior – with either be (a) How was the conventional wisdom so wrong for so long? or (b) How did Team Obama buck the trends and use Herculean turnout to muscle their way to victory in swing states?*
 
Posters on National Catholic Register in the weeks before the banquet made some nasty accusations against his Eminence.
Given your comment, I hastily wish to point out that I receive the NCR print edition. I do not comment at other Catholic websites. For the record.
 
I drink The Macallan Scotch and I smoke hand-rolled cigars made by Cuban Paradise Cigar & Cafe in Madeira Beach, Florida. I consume both quite regularly, thank you. Xicar cutter and lighter.
I like Macallan and Glenfiddich as well though I only drink it at a restaurant as I couldn’t afford a bottle.

I like fine Belgian Beers and fine canned seafood. I collect high-end reproductions of medieval arms and armour and you want to talk expensive. It’s all in spending judiciously. I am an unemployed social worker- but with some solid leads (fingers crossed) though I receive disability as I am legally blind and my wife is a professor. We are middle class.

I think Macallan may be a bit low brow for a Rockefeller though. 🙂
 
fine canned seafood.
Italian and Spanish tuna in olive oil? At about 6 to 8 dollars a tin? Yes, outstanding stuff.

My son got me P.O.'d to bits two years ago, when he and a friend opened a couple of tins of the good stuff with which to make Tuna Salad sandwiches - after I told him that there was Chicken of the Sea in the pantry. $24 worth of fine tuna gone when he could have used the cheap stuff - not that it’s bad, mind you, but…
 
I drink The Macallan Scotch and I smoke hand-rolled cigars made by Cuban Paradise Cigar & Cafe in Madeira Beach, Florida. I consume both quite regularly, thank you. Xicar cutter and lighter.
La Herencia de Cuba in Ybor City makes a really good maduro torpedo on-premises for like $5.00. Pair it with a glass of Castillo Spiced Rum Coconut Mojito and you have a party, even if you alone.
 
One does not necessitate the other. My wife is conservative politically, but she is a devout Charismatic Catholic. We attend different parishes. I happen to be conservative politically and in my liturgical preferences.
The Charismatic Movement can be wild. It is faithful though. As long as she isn’t a “miracle chaser” like some in the movement. There are some miracle chasers around here.
 
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