Obama backs mosque near ground zero

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pnewton said:
That is common decency. Muslims are known for their hypocricy, not their decency. Would the Islamic world allow a Church next to Mecca, or a Jewish Temple next to the Dome of the Rock? Of course not. This push by supposedly peaceful Muslims that way they oppose the actions of extremists is such a blatant and huge hypocricy that I can not imagine there are still those in this country that fail to see that the Muslims of peace are little different from those that flew those planes.

I wish they would prove me wrong and do the right thing and abandon this lunacy. If they oppose the Jihadist, then do nothing that so blatantly supports their actions. If not, I will weigh their actions, not their rhetoric. As to the president, I know what he has* said* about his religious beliefs. Yet he chooses to weigh in for support of this project and is thus that I will consider his true core beliefs and loyalty.
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Someone posted here [sorry, cannot find the exact post] that President Obama stated that the United States is no longer a Christian nation.

I now know what he meant.

He meant … NOT that the United States had become secularized … he meant that with his ascendency to the Presidency, the United States was NOW an Islamic republic. All that remains is the rapid abolition of traditional United States values and laws [just recall his statements that the Constitution’s fault is that it restricts government. President Obama needs unrestricted government in order to impose Sharia law.]

Think about it.
 
The Administration chooses to defend this Mosque being built overlooking ground zero as “Freedom of Religion”. But when referring to other “religions” they choose to call it “Freedom of Worship”. Freedom of worship is not the same thing as freedom of religion. Freedom of worship implies that private worship of one’s choice in this country is ok, but it does not give one the freedom to publically voice their beliefs. Gee, that’s funny. Their terminology seems to change according to which religion they’re referring to.:rolleyes: Anyone notice their preferential treatment of specific “religions” or is it just me.:rolleyes:

I think everyone agrees that it is perfectly legal to build a Mosque or a Church or a Temple anywhere in this country on private property that they want to build one. The legalities are not at all in question. Indeed it is perfectly legal. But is it moral? What is in question, is the respect and common decency of this Immam (sp?) who is insisting on building this Mosque overlooking ground zero. And what about this man? Where is he getting the funding for it? Do we yet know? And why exactly is he insisting on this location? Especially in the face of such wide spread opposition? I still have not heard who sold it to him? (unless I missed that part) And why all the secrets about it all? I do believe these are questions that the American people need to know…that we have every right to know…that still need to be answered. How can anyone make a grounded opinion on the matter unless we have all the facts? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
pnewton said:
That is common decency. Muslims are known for their hypocricy, not their decency. Would the Islamic world allow a Church next to Mecca, or a Jewish Temple next to the Dome of the Rock? Of course not. This push by supposedly peaceful Muslims that way they oppose the actions of extremists is such a blatant and huge hypocricy that I can not imagine there are still those in this country that fail to see that the Muslims of peace are little different from those that flew those planes.
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First, those are not equivalents- The Muslims are not seeking a Mosque in the Vatican, they are seeking to build a Mosque on a totally secular site. Secondly, the fact that governments in the Islamic world are oppressive does not mean Muslims must be oppressed when they come here- should we bar Iranians from becoming barbers because Iran has banned Western style haircuts? Should we refuse citizenship to those of Chinese decent because their government would do the same to us?
I wish they would prove me wrong and do the right thing and abandon this lunacy. If they oppose the Jihadist, then do nothing that so blatantly supports their actions. If not, I will weigh their actions, not their rhetoric. As to the president, I know what he has* said* about his religious beliefs. Yet he chooses to weigh in for support of this project and is thus that I will consider his true core beliefs and loyalty.
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What makes you think the radicals are happy with this project?
 
tomarin said:
But that really shouldn’t matter when it conflicts with the iron-clad rights granted by the First Amendment. Perceived insensitivity doesn’t trump the Bill of Rights.
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I don’t disagree with you.
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tomarin:
It’s a tempest in a teapot, in my opinion – or it should be.
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It is what it is. Obama and the imam ignore the outrage, whether you or I justify it or not, at their own political peril.
 
tjm190 said:
First, those are not equivalents- The Muslims are not seeking a Mosque in the Vatican, they are seeking to build a Mosque on a totally secular site. Secondly, the fact that governments in the Islamic world are oppressive does not mean Muslims must be oppressed when they come here- should we bar Iranians from becoming barbers because Iran has banned Western style haircuts? Should we refuse citizenship to those of Chinese decent because their government would do the same to us?

What makes you think the radicals are happy with this project?
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Yes, the sight is a secular one and the mosque could legally be built there. But why would Muslims want to use that particular place for their building?
The subject of decency had been brought up and I say these people are sadly lacking in it to want to do this within sight of Ground Zero. End of story.
 
tjm190 said:
Secondly, the fact that governments in the Islamic world are oppressive does not mean Muslims must be oppressed when they come here- should we bar Iranians from becoming barbers because Iran has banned Western style haircuts? Should we refuse citizenship to those of Chinese decent because their government would do the same to us?
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How many times must this strawman keep getting trotted out. No one has said they should be refused their legal right to build this monument to terrorism. What has been said is that it should not be supported, especially by the president. Rather this action should be condemned in the strongest possible way. Those that are pushing it should be shown in the court of public opinion for the hypocritical, insensitive terrorist supporters they are. Even if he is the President.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
It’s been almost nine years; they need to get over it. If they were so concernced with what happens within a two block radius of ground zero then they should have purchased the property themselves or they should make an offer now.
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You know, the really ironic thing is that I think most Americans were slipping back into complacency. Not only is this mosque insensitive, it is incredibly moronic from a PR point of view. Instead of allowing Islamic relationships to heal, they reminded Americans of that faithful day what religion inspired those murderers, and who is still supporting them. Instead of naming it after Barak Hussein Obama, they can name it after Moe, Larry and Curly. This is the dumbest move since New Coke.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
It’s been almost nine years; they need to get over it. If they were so concernced with what happens within a two block radius of ground zero then they should have purchased the property themselves or they should make an offer now.
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Who is “they”?
 
Calling Islam simply a religion and therefore equivalent to various branches of Christianity is a little bit like calling the IRS a fundraising organization. While technically they both qualify, their use of coersion, intimidation and heavy-handed muscle makes them vastly different than other organizations in their “class”. Semantics matter, definitions matter, and truth matters.
 
pnewton said:
That is common decency. Muslims are known for their hypocricy, not their decency. Would the Islamic world allow a Church next to Mecca, or a Jewish Temple next to the Dome of the Rock? Of course not. This push by supposedly peaceful Muslims that way they oppose the actions of extremists is such a blatant and huge hypocricy that I can not imagine there are still those in this country that fail to see that the Muslims of peace are little different from those that flew those planes.

I wish they would prove me wrong and do the right thing and abandon this lunacy. If they oppose the Jihadist, then do nothing that so blatantly supports their actions. If not, I will weigh their actions, not their rhetoric. As to the president, I know what he has* said* about his religious beliefs. Yet he chooses to weigh in for support of this project and is thus that I will consider his true core beliefs and loyalty.
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I know a few Muslims. I do not hate them due to their religion. As a matter of fact, I think I admire their enthusiasm and strict adherence to their faith. I wish more Catholics would stand up for the Church in such strong way. But they have expressed their opinion to me that to erect the mosque…excuse me…“community center”…within walking distance of Ground Zero is wrong. It grieves and embarrasses them for their own people.

And I say, we are in America. They do have the “right” to build where they own property.

But should they do it? It is just so insensitive to me…and sad that our own President would appear to endorse it. 😦

Yes, Mr. President… we should put it in “D”? Does that “D” stand for “Dumb”?
 
estesbob said:
Those whiny victim’s families of course.
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I’m not over it.

I still get depressed in the days leading up to the anniversary.
I still get the nightmares.
I can still close my eyes and see the second plane striking the tower.
I still seeing the jumpers fleeing fire for certain death.
I still hear a co-worker screaming, “Oh my God it’s falling” when the first tower fell.
I still remember people shoving into elevators.
I still can hear the F-16’s screaming at rooftop level.
I still remember being trapped for the day not knowing if more was coming.
I can still remember the train ride home with dust covered people.
I still see my wife and childrens tear streaked faces when I finally made it home.

Please, tell me how to “get over it”?

And if you can’t, maybe your mosque builder can?

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And I’m lucky, I came home.
 
livnlern said:
Yes, the sight is a secular one and the mosque could legally be built there. But why would Muslims want to use that particular place for their building?
The subject of decency had been brought up and I say these people are sadly lacking in it to want to do this within sight of Ground Zero. End of story.
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Which brings to mind that the Governor of New York has already offered to help them in any way, even financially, to build on a different site…THEY DECLINED THE OFFER.
 
Why does the left talk about religious tolerance?

They despise the Christian right.

Try picketing an abortion mill to see where the left’s tolerance lies.

Insensitivity.

We must be sensitive to terrorists and close Guantanamo.

We must be sensitive to Iraq and pull our troops out.

We must be sensitive to Afghanistan and impose rules of engagement on our troops.

BUT we cannot expect sensitivity to the 3000 people killed on 9/11 at Ground Zero.

This is not about preserving American values.

The people pushing the mega-mosque oppose American values.

The oppose the Constitution because it does not give the government enough power OVER the American people.

This is not about religious freedom.

This is about sticking a thumb in the eye of the American people.
 
Teelynn said:
Which brings to mind that the Governor of New York has already offered to help them in any way, even financially, to build on a different site…THEY DECLINED THE OFFER.
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I’ll be curious to see what happens to Bloomberg when he’s up for re-election…Bye,bye.
Common sense will tell you why they want to build on that particular site. But common sense can be pretty rare these days.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Well, we can start by connecting the dots.

Start here:

thesilentmajority.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/our-first-muslim-president-betrays-america-over-and-over-video/
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And what does this dot represent? That Obama respects Islam and understands the contributions Muslims have made to society?
My. God. Prepare for WAR

Seriously though- what in that video represents a problem?
Add some more dots:
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enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0309/0309clinging.htm
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Yes, Obama is an elitist.
Global governance > restoration of the caliphate?
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enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0810/0810dodd.htm
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Baseless paranoia > manifestation of prejudice?
 
livnlern said:
I’ll be curious to see what happens to Bloomberg when he’s up for re-election…Bye,bye.
Common sense will tell you why they want to build on that particular site. But common sense can be pretty rare these days.
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I doubt this mosque controversy will have that kind of staying power.
 
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