Obama declares support for same-sex marriage

[jay29]

You are wrong. Look up the ECUSA and the ACNA and see their differences. “bishop” Schori is Bishop Schori (would you have “Cardinal” Dolan of NYC or “Pope” Benedict XVI referred to as such?).

Both of those “ecclesial communities” are not real churches and she is not a valid bishop. She mocks the authentic priesthood of Christ. Most Catholics are protestants anyway who haven’t left the Catholic Church. Why they stick around and be miserable is beyond me.

 

[SamH]

I’m certain that he won’t lose all that many Hispanic and black votes. The number who will defect won’t affect the overwheming percentage of that demographic who will stick with him. IMO.

Source?

Black and hispanic voters traditionally vote heavily against gay marriage. Usually 2/3s to 1/3. Romney may not gain votes - but Obama is shedding them.

 

[Marchmain1987]

Oh please, all those issues are exactly the same for both parties. What has Obama done for you in the last 4 years? Invasion of Iraq has nothing to do with who is President.

You should follow your religion and your conscience, and vote for the only issues that do divide the two parties, social issues.

But an attack on Iran by the United States would further deteriorate the situation in the Middle East.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Both of those “ecclesial communities” are not real churches

So what? You used one term, “Episcopal church,” and that is incorrect.

and she is not a valid bishop.

So what? Does the Catholic Church own the copyright on that title?

She mocks the authentic priesthood of Christ. Most Catholics are protestants anyway who haven’t left the Catholic Church. Why they stick around and be miserable is beyond me.

Your opinion. Fine.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Black and hispanic voters traditionally vote heavily against gay marriage.

When was the last time that it was put to the vote nationally?

Traditionally? Like in the last 6 or 7 national elections?

 

[CHRISTINE77]

But an attack on Iran by the United States would further deteriorate the situation in the Middle East.

But why do you think Obama won’t allow an attack on Iran?

 

[SamH]

When was the last time that it was put to the vote nationally? ?

Never but every state it has ever been voted on it has lost. Just as electorial votes are cast by state - the vote for president isn’t national either.

Traditionally? Like in the last 6 or 7 national elections?

Popular votes on the issue of gay marriage have gone against the issue in every state that has allowed it to be put to vote.

 

[scipio337]

Never but every state it has ever been voted on it has lost. Just as electorial votes are cast by state - the vote for president isn’t national either.

Popular votes on the issue of gay marriage have gone against the issue in every state that has allowed it to be put to vote.

…Even California…

 

[CHRISTINE77]

When was the last time that it was put to the vote nationally?

Traditionally? Like in the last 6 or 7 national elections?

It’s a STATES RIGHTS issue, not a NATIONAL issue.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Never but every state it has ever been voted on it has lost. Just as electorial votes are cast by state - the vote for president isn’t national either.

Popular votes on the issue of gay marriage have gone against the issue in every state that has allowed it to be put to vote.

We were speaking of black and hispanic votes, not the votes of white people. As you said, “Black and hispanic voters traditionally vote heavily against gay marriage.” Okay, cop out.

 

[PTL]

What is interesting is the basis whereby Obama based his support of “gay marriage”.

He stated it’s an equality issue between consenting adults.

Well if it’s all about equality and consenting adults…

Why doesn’t he support someone wanting to marry his sister, his brother, his father, his mother, two women or two women and three men?

What is different in these examples and “gay marriage”?

What logical basis is there?

You certainly can’t argue nor morality. Nor even history or culture, which is replete with incestuous and polygamous marriages.

In fact I would argue there is more sound basis in supporting incestuous and polygamous marriages than “gay marriage”.

Those are valid arguments.
I suggest you to work among your ethnic group and urge your friends not to vote for Obama. The real war is for the fate of the next four years. We don’t want to see the destruction of America.

 

[Marchmain1987]

But why do you think Obama won’t allow an attack on Iran?

1. The President is not going to do anything of the kind within the election cycle (unless Israel moves against Iran by which the President would be forced to support the action – but that seems unlikely now).
2. Because it would further destabilize the region if Iran’s current government no longer held power. It would further damage the U.S. position in Iraq; it would also further weaken the current Afgan government by damaging its legitimacy via its U.S. backing.
3. It would force those same governments to further distance themselves from the United States (with the United States still providing aid to support each other governments to ensure their survival, particularly in Afghanistan).
4. Any direct attack by the United States would further Iranian paranoia and force their hand to make some sort of retaliation with regard to their navy and cause the price of oil to skyrocket.
5. It makes more sense to treat Iran like the Soviet Union with regard to the nuclear umbrella in Southeast Asia (Japan) and Europe.
6. The United States cannot afford another war with an inevitable ensuing insurgency. Also, the general American public has too much invested in domestic matters to lend lengthy support to another costly and drawn-out war in the Middle East.

 

[He_Man]

Perhaps he will simply see it as meaning–not that he can be “bought” as I think you may be implying–but that the majority of Americans do indeed support same-sex marriage. That’s the logical conclusion most would come to.

So THAT’S why 30 states have banned gay marriage by popular vote. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[He_Man]

It is a shame that the Republican Party and Mitt Romney have swung so far right. If they were modereate, I would vote Republican this time because of Obama’s support for gay marriage and other things.

But, there simply is no way that I can, in good conscience, vote for Mitt Romney because:

1. He would bend to Republican pressure and invade Iran.
2. He would continue to side against working Americans in positions favorable to big business.
3. The right wing Republican led Congress is too powerful in their anti-student and anti-worker ideology and a Republican President would upset the balance of power.

May God help us (and Iran) if Mitt Romney gets elected.

Winning lottery numbers, post haste.

 

[Marchmain1987]

It’s a STATES RIGHTS issue, not a NATIONAL issue.

That is what Obama said.

 

[scipio337]

That is what Obama said.

Yet, he refused to have the DOJ defend DOMA.

Ironic, no? There isn’t a fence our President hasn’t straddled for political expediency, except for abortion and an attempt to force Catholics to violate their conscience.

 

[Marchmain1987]

Yet, he refused to have the DOJ defend DOMA.

Ironic, no? There isn’t a fence our President hasn’t straddled for political expediency, except for abortion and an attempt to force Catholics to violate their conscience.

C’mon, this was after he was against it and now he is for it again.

But at least he is going to raise alot of money tonight.

 

[rfournier103]

In my humble opinion… this is just an attempt to grab a few votes (although I do think he is very much in favor of gay marriage). There were alot of people who were upset by what happened in NC and he wants to be seen as standing up for the ‘repressed minority’.

This made me think of a few things…

-99% of likely voters already have their minds made up about who they’re going to vote for in Nov. Obama’s announcement changes nothing.

-The LEGISLATURE writes (and votes on) Bills regarding such hot-button issues like gay marriage, gun rights, and abortion. The President signs said Bills into law only AFTER they pass both the House and the Senate. I think the United States Congress wouldn’t touch this issue with a 10 foot pole. MOST congressmen are too chicken to have a public opinion one way or the other on this issue; and unless Congress passes a Bill, the President really doesn’t have a say. Obama’s announcement changes nothing here, either.

-What his announcement DOES change, is our focus from jobs and the economy to gay marriage. I think the public and media are now distracted from joblessness, and our HUGE trade deficit with China. The President CAN do something about this, but instead chooses to create a s**t-storm over an issue he CAN’T impact in any way, while people continue to lose their houses, their jobs, their spouses, and sometimes even take their lives because nobody can stay focused on the economy long enough to do anything about it.

I expected better. Even from him.

 

[Kevin812]

It’s a STATES RIGHTS issue, not a NATIONAL issue.

Nope

Marriage is a National issue.

Civil Rights are a National issue.

States Rights is a Dead issue (see: Civil War)

Natural law dictates that we shall have marriage equality – it is the only just and proper thing to do.

Certain Church leaders (Catholic + others) will have to do some great gymnastics to get themselves out the corner which they painted themselves in.

Report me to the Inquisition, the Bishop, and/or Rome that is your right, but be careful not to set yourself up as any of the above (unless by odd chance you are His Holiness reading this).

 

[He_Man]

Nope

Marriage is a National issue.

Civil Rights are a National issue.

States Rights is a Dead issue (see: Civil War)

Natural law dictates that we shall have marriage equality – it is the only just and proper thing to do.

Certain Church leaders (Catholic + others) will have to do some great gymnastics to get themselves out the corner which they painted themselves in.

Report me to the Inquisition, the Bishop, and/or Rome that is your right, but be careful not to set yourself up as any of the above (unless by odd chance you are His Holiness reading this).

a) Obama said it was a states’ rights issue, so you need to speak to the overlord about that and inform him you know better. plus, it is by definition a states’ rights issue, since it is being voted on at the state level.

b) You lost me when you you used Natural Law to demand marriage equality. Do you even know what Natural Law is?

And no one is going to report some random guy named Kevin from Catholic Answers to anyone.

You’re wrong, but that isn’t really our problem. God handles those sort of things.