Obama declares support for same-sex marriage

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meltzerboy said:
This is a calculated political risk on Obama’s part. I’m sure he weighed the pros and cons of “coming out” carefully. However, I doubt he actually went through an evolution in his thinking about the issue. My 94-year old aunt may have gone through such an evolution of thought, but not someone of Obama’s generation, who is basically liberal on so many other issues.
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Agreed. His position was his years ago, not something that came about in the past year. He isn’t a fool.
 
Kevin812 said:
About time too! I’ll feel a little bit better about voting for him. 🙂
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You talkin about Romney or Obama? I hope not Obama unless you were being sarcastic! It goes without saying if you vote for Obama this election (this applies to all christians of every faith) they might as well completely abandon their faith. You can’t support sin on this level that the obama administration creates and supports and then go to Mass that sunday and think you are in the right for receiving the Eucharist.
 
Brendan said:
A number of the swing states he needs for re-election, including NC, having enacted prohibition on same-sex marriage and it is an unpopular issue to support in those states.

And it will also have the effect of firing up the social conservatives who are rather luke warm about Romney right now ( such as myself 😉 )
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Iowa is one of those swing states. I expect that Iowa will be a red state this election. There are many who still have hard feelings over the Supreme Court ruling and the subsequent blocking of an amendment in the Senate.
 
Romney affirms opposition to same-sex marriage
Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Wednesday said he unequivocally opposes “marriage between people of the same gender,” drawing a contrast to President Obama’s “evolving” position on the issue.
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Later, in the afternoon, Mr. Obama said in an interview with ABC News that he now supports same-sex marriage
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Romney was asked Wednesday morning about the failure of a ballot measure that would have allowed same-sex civil unions in Colorado. In an interview with Denver-based KDVR-TV, he said, “I indicated my view, which is I do not favor marriage between people of the same gender, and I do not favor civil unions if they are identical to marriage other than by name,” Romney said. “My view is the domestic-partnership benefits, hospital visitation rights, and the like are appropriate but that the others are not.”

Romney, in another interview on Wednesday, told CBS affiliate KCNC in Denver: “My position is the same on gay marriage as it’s been well, from the beginning, and that is that marriage is a relation between a man and a woman. That’s the posture that I had as governor and I have that today.”

Asked why he supported domestic partnerships, but not civil unions, Romney said, “If a civil union is identical to marriage other than in the name, I don’t support that. But I certainly recognize that hospital visitation rights and benefits of that nature may well be appropriate. And states are able to make provisions for determination of those kinds of rights as well as, if you will, benefits that might accrue to state workers.”

Mr. Obama had come under pressure this week to clarify his position after his vice president over the weekend unexpectedly came out in support of gay marriage. Mr. Obama, who has said in the past his views on the matter are “evolving,” told ABC News’ Robin Roberts in an interview that he is now convinced gay marriage should be legal although he will allow states to make their own decisions.

“… At a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married,” the president said in the interview which aired in an ABC News special report on Wednesday afternoon.

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Wouldn’t it be easier for Mr Obama to just reject the whole Catechism of the Catholic Church at once, rather than doing it paragraph by paragraph? He would not want to be known as a cafeteria anti-Catholic would he?
 
I think this was an issue that O’Bama wanted to avoid talking about because he knows it’s an extremely divisive and polarizing one. The more polarizing and divisive his campaign is, the more he’s going to lose swing voters, moderates and independents, all of which he needs in order to win. The majority of the country still believes in traditional marriage, every time it’s been put to a vote that has been proven. I think this issue is a loser for O’Bama, and it hurts him to speak about it, but in this situation he really had no choice. I think Biden might have just put his foot in his mouth bigger than he ever has before.
 
I support it.

As a faith group, we can handle what we feel is right, wrong, appropriate or not. But, as a nation, I feel we have an obligation to provide equal rights to all, even those we feel are not appealing to us.

As a chaplain, all I can say is that I had many experiences trying to visit and comfort the spouse in a same sex couple and had to deal with their expectation that I would be prejudiced against them or they would feel uncomfortable telling me they were in a relationship. I wasn’t going to pry, so I was hamstrung, unable to provide the care I was well trained to give.

The loneliness of losing a loved one is bad enough without feeling degraded by not being able to call the person a husband or wife, if in fact that’s what they are to them.

In contrast, I’ve seen our church grant annullments to marriages where straight out infidelity has occurred, so, sadly, I can’t say our church’s hands are clean on this.

But, that said, we as a church have a right to deal with it within our walls, but as an American, I can’t see stopping it. I am far from an activist on this issue, but I feel it is a right and I can’t deny that right to the people I have known.
 
FromTheAshes777 said:
I think this was an issue that O’Bama wanted to avoid talking about because he knows it’s an extremely divisive and polarizing one. The more polarizing and divisive his campaign is, the more he’s going to lose swing voters, moderates and independents, all of which he needs in order to win. The majority of the country still believes in traditional marriage, every time it’s been put to a vote that has been proven. I think this issue is a loser for O’Bama, and it hurts him to speak about it, but in this situation he really had no choice. I think Biden might have just put his foot in his mouth bigger than he ever has before.
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I agree, and I hope it wakes up some of the Catholics who supported him last election. Clearly, it exposed the heretical views of many Catholic politicians. Hopefully, enough faithful Catholics will see that for what it is.
 
Trader said:
Wouldn’t it be easier for Mr Obama to just reject the whole Catechism of the Catholic Church at once, rather than doing it paragraph by paragraph? He would not want to be known as a cafeteria anti-Catholic would he?
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He’s not Catholic, so the CCC would not apply and I don’t recall him ever denouncing the Catholic faith.
 
He_Man said:
Except, apparently, the posters 9in the Biden topic a few lines down), claimed Obama meant what he said when he only supported civil-unions.

Amazing how his supporters change their tune when he 'fesses up.

And if your post is correct, it means he was lying to everyone.
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Not at all. He may well have meant he supported civil unions and now his view has evolved and grown as he has studied and thought out the issue. I’m just not surprised he eventually evolved and reached this place after doing so.
 
You know its funny reading thru the posts that no one has said that we need to insure politically this does not happen. We need to maintain our states rights to individuality. Texas is very conservative and we will not stand for this at all. We need to stand up politically and shut this down now! Christ must rule and we can not let satan have more dominion that what he has. Lord Jesus save us. Amen and Amen
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
We can’t say that, though many might agree with you…
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Perhaps that was a little much…but I do believe he used his affiliation as a Christian mainly as a political tool. I do pray for him as one of our nation’s leaders for wisdom.

God bless,
Bryan
 
bscastro said:
I think we can all agree now that Obama is not really a Christian.

God bless,
Bryan
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I had thought it might be against forum rules to judge a candidate’s spirtuality in that manner but I might be wrong.
 
Kevin812 said:
True, and I believe it is traditional in the US to go to confession on Saturday. 🍿
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Considering that a valid Confession still hinges on your sincere regret of your sins, it would only be possible if you underwent a true change of heart between the voting and the Confession. That’s not something you can anticipate.
 
Havard said:
Considering that a valid Confession still hinges on your sincere regret of your sins, it would only be possible if you underwent a true change of heart between the voting and the Confession. That’s not something you can anticipate.
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I assume you are speaking of the general “you” and are not addressing this specifically to me? If so, in which case it is none of your business.
 
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