Obama declares support for same-sex marriage

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For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
 
Kevin812 said:
I assume you are speaking of the general “you” and are not addressing this specifically to me? If so, in which case it is none of your business.
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I am using the universal you. Now what’s this about telling me my business?
 
Kevin812 said:
We have let Trader’s question that… my response stands either way tho
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Most of our separated brethren and non-Christians agree with a lot of things in the Catechism, especially in the area of moral teaching. It is based on natural law and applies to everyone.

Mr Obama has publically differed with the Catholic Church on abortion, contraception, marriage, religious liberty, embryonic stem cell research, and more things than I could list here. It would really be nice if we could find any area of agreement from someone who claims to be Christian.
 
Was THIS the LAST STRAW in Obama’s “evolution” and ever-so-belated support for SSM?

Rick Santorum defended his “pro-traditional marriage position” on the Tonight Show last night - naming both Romney*** and Obama as also opposed to gay marriage*** - to demonstrate how wide-ranging and mainstream support for his postion was.

latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-rick-santorum-leno-20120509,0,1141799.story

Barely hours later the POTUS rushed to his TelePrompter and told how he has now “evolved” on the issue.

Perhaps too there was a perceived “evolution gap” in the Presidential race - as Mitt Romney recently stated he believed marriage was “between one man and one woman;” which is quite an evolution from “the founders of” his own Mormon faith!

Kidding aside, **are mandates now being drafted to compel Catholic Priests to perform so-called “Same Sex Marriages” on demand - **or risk the Church’s tax free status, state funded litigation from the Department of Justice, and heavy fines from the EEOC?
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Thanks, but I never intended to vote for him. Sorry to admit that it was his incompetent administration of our nation that torpedoed him for me more than his social positions, which seem to have gotten more radical by the month, but each of these things is another nail…
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See Rich - you’re a perfect example of the reason why Obama’s political calculation is correct - he has nothing to loose by coming out in favor of gay marriage. You weren’t going to vote for him anyway and neither were most of the people on this forum.
 
We shall try this again:

A) The President is not Catholic. As such, he is not bound by the CCC or the Bishops. He can not be referred to as a heretic, because he is not Catholic.

B) What occurs in Confession including all details regarding, is not open to speculation or discussion by others.

C) I do not recall His Holiness or any of my last 2 Bishops ever telling me I could/couldn’t vote Mr. Obama. Everything else is a personal opinion and is not binding.
 
Some days it really seems the “Church” is ONLY concerned about sex, the lack of sex, and who is having it or not.

Everything else seems secondary or forgotten about.
 
Kevin812 said:
Some days it really seems the “Church” is ONLY concerned about sex, the lack of sex, and who is having it or not.

Everything else seems secondary or forgotten about.
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It is about WAY more than that, Kevin812.

And deep down I have a hunch you know it, too.

Come on. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Well, let’s see. We have a president who supports abortion and infanticide and gay marriage, and wants to remove religious liberty from the Catholic church and others. Sounds like the ideal candidate for Catholics.
 
CMatt25 said:
I had thought it might be against forum rules to judge a candidate’s spirtuality in that manner but I might be wrong.
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Yes, I retracted the comment and agreed it was overstepping. I did not mean to judge. removes log from his eye

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Bryan
 
Trader said:
Wouldn’t it be easier for Mr Obama to just reject the whole Catechism of the Catholic Church at once, rather than doing it paragraph by paragraph? He would not want to be known as a cafeteria anti-Catholic would he?
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I think this is such an interesting comment because it reflects the bewildering attitude of many people on this forum. It is not about the President ‘rejecting the Catechism’, because this isn’t about you and it’s not about the Church. This is about taking a responsible position in this debate and standing up for the rights of the people who count on him and put him in office and their supporters like myself. You’re not his constituency, you never voted for him, you never would and he is under absolutely no obligation to govern this country as though it were some sort of Catholic oligarchy. You’re not on his radar and once your “morality” starts impinging on the rights of others you shouldn’t be. Casting Obama as somehow anti-Catholic or anti-Christian is just as offshoot of a bizarre and religiously self involved persecution complex.

I applaud the President, I wish he’d come to this conclusion earlier.
 
Kevin812 said:
B) What occurs in Confession including all details regarding, is not open to speculation or discussion by others.
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No one here did any such thing, so I don’t see the relevance of this comment. I did point out how Confession works, which of course is completely legitimate.
 
Well, it’s a little late to take a stand, but thank you anyways, Mr. Obama (even though my country already has same-sex marriage).
 
Lokabrenna said:
Well, it’s a little late to take a stand, but thank you anyways, Mr. Obama (even though my country already has same-sex marriage).
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You should probably thank Joe, considering that from a PR standpoint, this all played out as completely unplanned.
 
If Obama gets reelected after this -we can expect our nation to resemble something like a circus act in the future… Anyone ever been to Venice Beach CA…?
 
TEPO said:
If Obama gets reelected after this -we can expect our nation to resemble something like a circus act in the future… Anyone ever been to Venice Beach CA…?
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I suppose if that is your sole image of the lives of gay men and women, one that probably was not gained by actually knowing many gay men and women…then yes, only in your imagination.
 
bellasbane said:
See Rich - you’re a perfect example of the reason why Obama’s political calculation is correct - he has nothing to loose by coming out in favor of gay marriage. You weren’t going to vote for him anyway and neither were most of the people on this forum.
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He has got something to lose, socially conservative Hispanics and Blacks who bizarrely enough are more likely to vote for Obama, who may rescind their support over this. Even a small percentage not voting for him could make a difference.
 
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