Obama Drops 'Creator' From Declaration Again

[CHRISTINE77]

from a newsource:

If church attendance is one measure of a man’s faith, then President Obama may appear to have lost some of his. The first family, once regular churchgoers, have publicly attended services in Washington just three times in the past year, by ABC News’ count, even bypassing the pews on Christmas Day.

The Obamas will start looking for a church community in Washington, D.C.Obama quit Chicago’s embattled Trinity United Church of Christ months before taking office in 2008 and has not formally joined a new one in his new hometown.

But sources familiar with the president’s personal life say Obama remains a faithful Christian while in the White House, practicing his beliefs regularly in private with family and the aid of his BlackBerry.

“Barack Obama is a Christian. He’s always been clear and unapologetic about that, and he’s comfortable with his own faith,” Rev. Jim Wallis, an Obama friend and spiritual adviser, said. “But I think the president, particularly a president, needs the kind of pastoral care or spiritual counsel with people who don’t have a political agenda. And it’s hard for a president to get that.”

 

[ConstantineTG]

I’m glad I’m in Canada where in our National Anthem we sing, “God keep our land glorious and free!”

And I’m happy that despite calls by some to replace “God” in the Anthem, many both religious and not resist that call.

 

[rlg94086]

It would be weird if they held Catholic teaching, without believing God, I don’t know if that’d ever be the case because nothing would anchor them to keep those teachings, they would eventually compromise due to the demands of the world.

I agree…but if such a weird atheist were to run for president, I would consider supporting them. It’s possible that, for example, they recognize that life starts at conception and believe that the taking of innocent life is wrong.

Veridical16:

I’d CONSIDER an agnostic who was open to becoming a believer. (i.e. someone who was never shown the way by no fault of their own)
I would NEVER vote for an atheist who consciously rejects God (passively or actively), because you’re voting for someone who’s morally blind and essentially a fool, as the bible says.

Giving them power would be reckless, their arrogance wouldn’t be checked.

A lot of atheists are more agnostic…iow they don’t believe in any god, but they are not vehemently anti-theist. That’s the way I was when I was “atheist.”

 

[estesbob]

Obama Drops ‘Creator’ From Declaration Again

Either President Barack Obama isn’t familiar with the words “endowed by their Creator” when quoting the Declaration of Independence, or he doesn’t subscribe to that part of the wording that describes people’s intrinsic rights. At a Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee dinner Monday in Rockville, Md., Obama again either misquoted the words of the most famous document in American history or he purposely omitted them, CNS News reports.

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Why doesn’t he just say " Allah "and get it over with?

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

It is possible to be an atheist, and be moral. When I say moral, I’m not talking about the substitutionary morality like liberals hold to, but genuine morality, in line with the morality that the Church holds. Of course I’m not claiming Obama is an atheist, because according to forum rules, he self identifies as a Christian.

I’ve wrote before that I would vote for a retard, just give me some morality. The same goes for an atheist. I know it’s against forum rules to write that Obama is immoral, but I think I can point to his views on many moral issues being inconsistent with what the Church teaches, because that’s not an opinion, but a fact.

 

[Darryl1958]

Why doesn’t he just say " Allah "and get it over with?

I don’t think that Allah endowing men with rights is a particularly Islamic idea. Islam is all about submitting. Muslims submit to Allah through submitting to the caliph.

For all practical purposes anyway, that is the way the system works

Maybe when Obama becomes Caliph of America, he won’t have a problem with that at all.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

If you understand the Fabian elements of Progressivism, then the objective is to slowly enculturate the idea that our rights come from government, not from God. It goes along with the maxim, “A lie repeated often enough becomes truth.”

Indeed.

Seriously-----------------everybody needs to read Dinesh D’Souza’s excellent THE SOURCE OF OBAMA’S RAGE. It touches on things just like these.
He’s basically emulating his Atheist, Anti-Colonial Socialist Father.
By the time he gets though with this country, we’ll be part of the Third World. Seriously.

 

[Veridical16]

I agree…but if such a weird atheist were to run for president, I would consider supporting them. It’s possible that, for example, they recognize that life starts at conception and believe that the taking of innocent life is wrong.

I’m sure some atheist who is altruistic would sound nice and hopeful, but it would be hard to see if they were reliable on the gray area issues (Euthanasia, Mercy Killing, Stem Cells)
I would be impressed though, that they would have a starting point and would admit life begins at conception.

A lot of atheists are more agnostic…iow they don’t believe in any god, but they are not vehemently anti-theist. That’s the way I was when I was “atheist.”

I agree, when I wrote that, I was thinking about those super atheistic figures, historically (super secular mass murderers, or atheists who wrote books , or read atheist agenda books for assurance)
…most non-theists/atheists I think are more usually agnostic, or may believe in God in their hearts but don’t want to be Christian or have some personal morality issues. Even Bill Maher states he’s not an atheist, . . but whatever god, he is holding out on believing, “Deism” or whatever, he obviously has a problem with the true God and his followers.

With atheist friends I’ve had, they have principles and even compensate, but certain issues I’ve noticed where they make logical justifications…so even when them I can see there is no anchor.

 

[Veridical16]

Scott_Lafrance:

If you understand the Fabian elements of Progressivism, then the objective is to slowly enculturate the idea that our rights come from government, not from God. It goes along with the maxim, “A lie repeated often enough becomes truth.”

Thank you for that enlightening post.
Too bad for Obama, he is shortsighted. He is just making enough people mad.

All it takes is for Christians, to be more prayerful for this nation, and the people in this nation will start recognizing God again.

OrdinaryMelkite:

Indeed.

Seriously-----------------everybody needs to read Dinesh D’Souza’s excellent THE SOURCE OF OBAMA’S RAGE. It touches on things just like these.
He’s basically emulating his Atheist, Anti-Colonial Socialist Father.

Thanks for that (name removed by moderator)ut, I believe that. He definitely has questionable motives and ambitions.

By the time he gets though with this country, we’ll be part of the Third World. Seriously

Only if we let him (them).

 

[livnlern]

I’m really not sure Obama is an atheist. He was forced to stop attending that (Baptist??) Church because the minister said some things that were “embarassing” to the liberals.

Obama is really not responsible for what is happening in this country. I’m sure some speech writer is editing out the Creator part. Presidents are really just scapegoats, for a more sinister puppetmaster in the background. I don’t know why anyone would accept that position.

First of all, Mr. Obama wasn’t forced to do anything. He chose to stop attending Rev.Wright’s church of his own free (and politically grasping) will.
While he has others advising him, he’s still able to speak for himself. Regardless of whether a speech writer is adding or deleting portions of the Declaration of Independence. I’m sure he has (name removed by moderator)ut into what comes out of his mouth when he speaks into a microphone. Or is he some kind of zombie as well as being a possible atheist?

 

[livnlern]

Is that supposed to be bad?

Yes it is bad if Obama is an atheist. Our country’s laws and rules were formed by men who had Judeo-Christian beliefs. As such they knew that each individual has basic GOD-given rights. Our culture is based on these beliefs. A man that is willing to cast all these beliefs aside would be a danger to our nation. He would have other beliefs in their stead. And what would his beliefs be based on? Probably on the empty words of other atheistic men.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Yes it is bad if Obama is an atheist. Our country’s laws and rules were formed by men who had Judeo-Christian beliefs. As such they knew that each individual has basic GOD-given rights. Our culture is based on these beliefs. A man that is willing to cast all these beliefs aside would be a danger to our nation. He would have other beliefs in their stead. And what would his beliefs be based on? Probably on the empty words of other atheistic men.

“We have no government armed in power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.” John Adams

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

Originally Posted by CHRISTINE77
He was forced to stop attending that (Baptist??) Church because the minister said some things that were “embarassing” to the liberals.

Hang on here. Wright’s church is a UCC Liberation Theology church, not Baptist, but he was attending, briefly brief, a Baptist church in Washington, was it on 31st St.? What happened to the Baptist Church?

I think he’s currently attending St. Fairway’s parish.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Hang on here. Wright’s church is a UCC Liberation Theology church, not Baptist, but he was attending, briefly brief, a Baptist church in Washington, was it on 31st St.? What happened to the Baptist Church?

I think he’s currently attending St. Fairway’s parish.

Well in any case, he’s not an atheist, he’s a Christian. And he’s certainly not a Muslim, as some idiots seem to think he is. I don’t like his party and their liberal agenda, but let’s get the facts straight.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Well in any case, he’s not an atheist, he’s a Christian. And he’s certainly not a Muslim, as some idiots seem to think he is. I don’t like his party and their liberal agenda, but let’s get the facts straight.

I’ve done a rather in depth review of the Gospel and I can’t find where Christ implores His followers to use the power of the State to right social wrongs, justifies abortion, or puts value on people because of what group they belong to. A “Christian” in one who follows the example of Christ. Calling one’s self a Christian doesn’t make you one. Following in the footsteps of Christ makes you a Christian.

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

Well in any case, he’s not an atheist, he’s a Christian. And he’s certainly not a Muslim, as some idiots seem to think he is. I don’t like his party and their liberal agenda, but let’s get the facts straight.

There used to be a rule that we couldn’t discuss whether or not Obama was a Muslim, so I double checked, and that rule is gone. Aside from that, what a person calls themselves is not as relevant as actions. Names are just names, while the actual principles are very gray. Are you a ___ because you did something once?

 

[CHRISTINE77]

There used to be a rule that we couldn’t discuss whether or not Obama was a Muslim, so I double checked, and that rule is gone. Aside from that, what a person calls themselves is not as relevant as actions. Names are just names, while the actual principles are very gray. Are you a ___ because you did something once?

what’s your point?

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

what’s your point?

If he likes the name, let him self identify as a Christian. Then ask, “HOW Christian”?

Consider some actions such as deleting “Creator”, covering Crucifixes at Notre Dame, his record on life and family matters, views on salvation, (“collective”?), honesty about campaign promises, and that sort.

If you hire a contractor, don’t you ask for credentials?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

If he likes the name, let him self identify as a Christian. Then ask, “HOW Christian”?

Consider some actions such as deleting “Creator”, covering Crucifixes at Notre Dame, his record on life and family matters, views on salvation, (“collective”?), honesty about campaign promises, and that sort.

If you hire a contractor, don’t you ask for credentials?

and references…and proof of prior work.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Thank you for that enlightening post.
Too bad for Obama, he is shortsighted. He is just making enough people mad.

All it takes is for Christians, to be more prayerful for this nation, and the people in this nation will start recognizing God again.

Thanks for that (name removed by moderator)ut, I believe that. He definitely has questionable motives and ambitions.

Only if we let him (them).

You’re right----ONLY if we let Him. The point is, some folk (particularly Pro-Obama Liberals) are so Blinded by his supposed Christ Aura that they would deliberately and consistently allow him to do anything he wanted to this Country.