Obama has won

[Scott_Lafrance]

I’ll tell you exactly why I voted for Obama, and I suspect a lot of Catholics felt similarly. Romney/Ryan represented a thoroughly unChristian and harmful economic philosophy that would further decimate the middle class and take us futher down the road to a corporate plutocracy. Ryan was an admited devotee of the atheist Ayn Rand. Yes Romeny/Ryan were on the right side on paper on abortion and traditional marriage, but I and many others have learned not to trust the GOP on those issues. A GOP president never accomplishes anything for life or the traditional family, but always accomplishes their econimic objectives: witness Reagan, and Bushs I and II. Romney in particular has made two 180 degree turns on the abortion issue in his career. He could not be trusted on any issue, including abortion. The GOP establishment is about one thing and one thing only: MONEY.

Obama and Biden were the recipients of more corporate and investment bank largess than anyone in history.

 

[Cider]

I remember also in 2008 when President Obama won his first election, many saying then where saying the Republican party was over never to win again. Then 2010 happened.

2008 happened because of massive Democrat frustration over losing 2x to Bush. It was a given going in that the Dems would win. Our country in general does not like one party in power for too long.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Well I disagree with that entirely, but we’ll see in the next 4 years, just how much Obama and the Democrats really care about the poor as the poor numbers continue to swell and the money dries up.

Yep. A Catholic voting for the radical pro-abortion, same-sex marriage, anti-family values, job-killing, putting thousands more on welfare, spendthrift candidate is something I will never understand. Reversing that choice and path will likely be impossible, may God have mercy on us.

 

[Orogeny]

I’m generalizing about the mindset and attitude, not about any one particular issue.

That doesn’t answer the question.

Should we oppose rules that are contrary to our beliefs? If we do so, based specifically on our beliefs, is that using religion to cram things down people’s throats? Those only need yes or no answers.

I can give you a very pertinent example of the Democrats shoving something down our throats. What is your reaction to that? Is the HHS mandate being crammed down our throats?

Was Obamacare crammed down our throats?

Can you give me one particular GOP issue that would fit your generalizations?

Peace

Tim

 

[SwizzleStick]

A vote for Obama is a vote for sanity and life but death to insanity.

No. Obama is pro-abortion at any time for any reason, so a vote for him was not a vote for life.

 

[aragonjohn1]

My collective in the south is installing 8 solar panels to power the retreat and topping off the propane. I have the ammo and reloading gear. THe next few months are going to be fun. I’ve always wanted to get off the grid.

Don’t let anyone take you’re guns

Everyone may have to use obama’s “green energy” against him

Shalom
God bless

 

[gnjsdad]

I’ll tell you exactly why I voted for Obama, and I suspect a lot of Catholics felt similarly. Romney/Ryan represented a thoroughly unChristian and harmful economic philosophy that would further decimate the middle class and take us futher down the road to a corporate plutocracy. Ryan was an admited devotee of the atheist Ayn Rand. Yes Romeny/Ryan were on the right side on paper on abortion and traditional marriage, but I and many others have learned not to trust the GOP on those issues. A GOP president never accomplishes anything for life or the traditional family, but always accomplishes their econimic objectives: witness Reagan, and Bushs I and II. Romney in particular has made two 180 degree turns on the abortion issue in his career. He could not be trusted on any issue, including abortion. The GOP establishment is about one thing and one thing only: MONEY.

Indeed, the GOP message got distilled down to “austerity for thee, but not for me”. Obama capitalized on that.

 

[aragonjohn1]

I’ll tell you exactly why I voted for Obama, and I suspect a lot of Catholics felt similarly. Romney/Ryan represented a thoroughly unChristian and harmful economic philosophy that would further decimate the middle class and take us futher down the road to a corporate plutocracy. Ryan was an admited devotee of the atheist Ayn Rand. Yes Romeny/Ryan were on the right side on paper on abortion and traditional marriage, but I and many others have learned not to trust the GOP on those issues. A GOP president never accomplishes anything for life or the traditional family, but always accomplishes their econimic objectives: witness Reagan, and Bushs I and II. Romney in particular has made two 180 degree turns on the abortion issue in his career. He could not be trusted on any issue, including abortion. The GOP establishment is about one thing and one thing only: MONEY.

Who’s side are you on?

You’re own?

Shalom

 

[seekerz]

That doesn’t answer the question.

Should we oppose rules that are contrary to our beliefs? If we do so, based specifically on our beliefs, is that using religion to cram things down people’s throats? Those only need yes or no answers.

I can give you a very pertinent example of the Democrats shoving something down our throats. What is your reaction to that? Is the HHS mandate being crammed down our throats?

Was Obamacare crammed down our throats?

Can you give me one particular GOP issue that would fit your generalizations?

Peace

Tim

I wasn’t discussing Democrats, but Republicans. The mandate is legal and in my estimation, the differences with the Church are not insurmountable. Americans elected a president (twice) who gave us health care reform, so the question of “cramming” anything does not apply. Should we complain to God that He not only made us human and prone to illness but also expects us to be our brothers’ keepers?

 

[JoanREDirector]

The problem as a woman who drank the pro choice Kool Aid for more years than I care to admit before God opened my eyes to how being personally prolife but politically pro choice was not an intellectually honest or courageous position the problem is education. As a woman raised on feminism in the 70’s it is just a matter of course that of course we need to be pro choice and this is what women’s rights means. As I have grown closer to God and finally to His Church I now know that we have been sold a bill of goods that has caused great harm to our daughters. I have seen the wreckage with my own eyes- young women are becoming increasingly pro life and with good reason. Because what seemed to make sense to me as a young woman in the 70’s has led all kinds of problems such as the hook up culture that college women now face and the general cheapening of human life. I believe we baby boomer women who have bought the lies hook line helped keep President Obama in- I see it with my friends who now look at me when I care to discuss my about face on these issues as if I have grown three heads. I am sure Republicans could be more inclusive on many things, though with today’s media I am sure no one would hear about it, but I never want to see them compromise on life because if they do there is no one left. We need a revival in faith and with it discernment about how far we have fallen as a nation from the plan of God and I hate to say it but no party out there right now is standing for that. We also need to be able to talk to one another without labels and always have an answer for the hope in us as Catholic Christians. Too many not just Catholic Christians have bought into the lies of the world.

Dear Lifesong.

Thanks for your post. You said beautifully what I wish I had been eloquent enough to say.

One observation for the future … women must get up in the political arena to make the case for life and we can and must make our case through the the power of reason since that is the common ground we all share. I can think of three senate races, one in my own state of Washington, that went up in flames because good, honest male candidates were vilified as extremists for stating their pro-life views.

We are going to have to start running for office ourselves, with the help of our fathers, husbands, brothers, and sons. Liberal women, be they in politics, journalism, or academia, do NOT speak for us. We must start speaking for ourselves.

 

[Orogeny]

I wasn’t discussing Democrats. The mandate is legal and in my estimation, the difference with the Church are not insurmountable. Americans elected a president (twice) who gave us health care reform, so the question of cramming anything does not apply. Maybe we should complain to God that He not only made us human and prone to illness but also expects us to be our brothers’ keepers?

Well, what has the GOP crammed down your throat? You are the one who made the initial claim and then said that it was a generalization. Generalizations are fine if there is truth to them. If there isn’t anything that the GOP has crammed down our throats when they were not in power, then your generalization fails.

The mandate was not voted on, it was imposed by HHS. Are you ok with that being crammed down our throats?

Peace

Tim

 

[Observer3]

Actually, we do. Basic biology. Do the research.Why don’t you support the mandate? It seems to be exactly what you *would *support.

Peace

Tim

See, you assume I support everything Obama does. I do not. I pick and choose are carefully researching everything as much as I can. I supported the health care reform as a whole, but I don’t believe in forcing people to buy insurance. I agree with banning insurance companies from doing whatever they want (including killing people for money), but I don’t think those struggling should be forced to pay a tax on it. I only support a mandate if we had a single payer system. We had a chance for this, but the GOP shot it down and cried socialism. I’m proud he got something done, because that’s more than the GOP had planned.

As far as your abortion argument, I have no desire to convince you of anything. I just hope you’ll step out of the walls of the church to see that not everyone agrees with you. Abortion is a tricky subject, and I’m not claiming to know when life begins. I am just stating we need to allow freedom of choice, because abortion is not a black and white issue.

 

[Vanny]

I’ll tell you exactly why I voted for Obama, and I suspect a lot of Catholics felt similarly. Romney/Ryan represented a thoroughly unChristian and harmful economic philosophy that would further decimate the middle class and take us futher down the road to a corporate plutocracy. Ryan was an admited devotee of the atheist Ayn Rand. Yes Romeny/Ryan were on the right side on paper on abortion and traditional marriage, but I and many others have learned not to trust the GOP on those issues. A GOP president never accomplishes anything for life or the traditional family, but always accomplishes their econimic objectives: witness Reagan, and Bushs I and II. Romney in particular has made two 180 degree turns on the abortion issue in his career. He could not be trusted on any issue, including abortion. The GOP establishment is about one thing and one thing only: MONEY.

I guess it’s all in how you look at it. I don’t see where the Obama administration has done anything to help the poor- I see more poor today than four years ago(more on food stamps, out of work, ect.) On the other hand, the Obama administration wants to enshrine abortion on demand as part of health care so goverment money finances abortion, more than just “choice”. I could never cast a vote for a candidate like that under any circumstances. For me the choice was clear. Was Romney/Ryan perfect? no.
But I think they would have put us on the fast tract to recovery and in 4 years we could choose again. I forsee lots of small businesses closing and going under,causing more job losses.
Now that Obama has been re-elected and the people have spoken, all we can do is pray for him and the nation.

 

[seekerz]

Well, what has the GOP crammed down your throat? You are the one who made the initial claim and then said that it was a generalization. Generalizations are fine if there is truth to them. If there isn’t anything that the GOP has crammed down our throats when they were not in power, then your generalization fails.

The mandate was not voted on, it was imposed by HHS. Are you ok with that being crammed down our throats?

Peace

Tim

I will repeat: “the urge to cram things down people’s throats”. I’m simply describing my impression - you don’t have to agree.

The mandate was imposed by a duly elected government - do you suggest a general election for every major policy government proposes?

 

[oldcelt]

Indeed, the GOP message got distilled down to “austerity for thee, but not for me”. Obama capitalized on that.

The President beat them senseless with it. Gov. Romney could never explain how he would pay for his proposed tax cut. As Bill Clinton said, referring to Romney…“Get back to me after the election.”

The people didn’t fall for it.

 

[on_the_hill]

Wow.

Some statements in this thread are unfortunate. Dog whistle, anyone?

The GOP doesn’t need to make a bigger tent. It needs to reform its message.

 

[Mickey]

I’ll tell you exactly why I voted for Obama, and I suspect a lot of Catholics felt similarly.

White Catholics went for Romney by a margin of 59-40 percent.

However, I expect that the Hispanic Catholic vote favored Obama heavily.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Wow.

Some statements in this thread are unfortunate. Dog whistle, anyone?

The GOP doesn’t need to make a bigger tent. It needs to reform its message.

Did you see the percentages? It looks like the nation is fairly evenly split to me. We are a nation divided.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

White Catholics went for Romney by a margin of 59-40 percent.

However, I expect that the Hispanic Catholic vote favored Obama heavily.

75% of all Latinos went for Obama. Don’t know what percentage of those (probably a high one) are Catholics and how many Proteswtant.

 

[Observer3]

It’s sad, but you can see why we are so divided and gridlocked in congress just by reading this thread. We have people believing abortion is the most important issue and all else is secondary. This mindset of idealism is exactly why nothing gets done in Washington. Bring both parties to the middle to focus on things we actually can work on rather than shutting down someone doesn’t agree with our religious and moral beliefs.