Obama has won

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iloveangels said:
No, it won’t be a one party system. Americans are just slow on the uptake. Duh. This term will be enough for them, I think. We’re in for 4 more years of the same. That’ll be enough even for the average person to get enough. Especially when taxes go up because we have to pay for all this somehow.
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dude… it won’t be. The average person is too confused by the rhetoric and too concerned with “voting with their lady parts”. This election was about one thing and one thing only: Jobs. But people don’t want jobs. They want free stuff. And that’s the problem. After 4 more years of Obama there will be so many people on the government dole that you’ll never turn it back.

This was it man. there’s no other chance. This was seriously it. Sorry you don’t realize that. You may be slow on the up tick.
 
XiWang717 said:
You are knowledgeable, then, on the issue of Catholic doctrine…tell me, please, on the earlier issue, is it a sin to go against my government if I am both a Catholic and a Chinese citizen, as it clearly challenges the higher authority of the state? Is opposing the President sin as well, then, in your opinion? I truly want to know what you feel about this situation.
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Like I said, honestly and in all humbleness, I am not informed enough to give you a good comment. Opposing the President is not a sin per se, just as supporting the President is not a sin per se. It’s very complex. Authority deserves respect. Yet authority must be legitimate. Christ accepted the authority of those who condemned him, but the Holy Spirit prompted Peter to stand boldly before the High Priest when he told him to never preach Christ, and he replied: “we obey to God, not to men.” Peter still acknowledged the authority, but opposed it on what was against God’s will. I wish I was more informed so that I could give you a better, more direct comment, and I apologize, but I can’t do better than this.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Sad truth is devout Catholics I believe are a minority in the Catholioc Church. But things are changing, the youth are much more traditionalist and devout
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Oh, yes, they are. Only 17% of people who call themselves Catholic show up at mass on a weekly basis.

About the youth, that’s a pious myth. Show me quantitative evidence and I will believe it. I mean NUMBERS, DATA.
 
iloveangels said:
No, no. I’m talking about when Catholics lose their diocesan jobs, food banks and soup kitchens close. And when that most sacred of Catholic institutions :rolleyes: closes down, the Catholic school.

I assure you, this will be the main topic of conversation in every single chancery in this country at 8AM tomorrow morning.

Either the church in this country will give up what it believes under force…or…it will fold all this stuff up and dust off its hands. One or the other. It cannot pay $36,500 per person per day every year, and it won’t.
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I wonder what the Church and individual employers will do. There are lawsuits currently, perhaps they will go to the supreme court?
 
_Abyssinia said:
I wonder what the Church and individual employers will do. There are lawsuits currently, perhaps they will go to the supreme court?
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Do you really think they will get that accomplished before January 1st, 2013? That’s less than 60 days from now.

I don’t.
 
_Abyssinia said:
I wonder what the Church and individual employers will do. There are lawsuits currently, perhaps they will go to the supreme court?
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have no faith in the supreme court. They won’t help you. They think the obamacare mandate is a legitmate tax.
 
It is sad day as catholics in USA don’t know how to choose their president.
Hurricane sandy was not powerful enough to open their mind and heart .
 
XiWang717 said:
Why do you say this?
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It can be seen by the support that young people give to more traditional aspects of the Church. For instance, now that the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite is being promoted, you see mostly young people attend, and that’s beautiful. Also, there are a significant number of young vocations to, say, seminars such as FSSP.
 
R_C said:
It can be seen by the support that young people give to more traditional aspects of the Church. For instance, now that the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite is being promoted, you see mostly young people attend, and that’s beautiful. Also, there are a significant number of young vocations to, say, seminars such as FSSP.
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That’s NOT DATA.
 
R_C said:
Like I said, honestly and in all humbleness, I am not informed enough to give you a good comment. Opposing the President is not a sin per se, just as supporting the President is not a sin per se. It’s very complex. Authority deserves respect. Yet authority must be legitimate. Christ accepted the authority of those who condemned him, but the Holy Spirit prompted Peter to stand boldly before the High Priest when he told him to never preach Christ, and he replied: “we obey to God, not to men.” Peter still acknowledged the authority, but opposed it on what was against God’s will. I wish I was more informed so that I could give you a better, more direct comment, and I apologize, but I can’t do better than this.
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Thank you, very much, for your response; I truly appreciate it deeply. But Jesus did not really accept the authority of the Pharisees, per se, nor did Jesus submit to their demands and edicts. And was not America’s very foundation based on a rebellion against authority? The kings in medieval times thought their authority God-given as well, and yet, here we are today, with neither a king nor a theocracy. Again, I ask this only because I myself seek knowledge and answers, and this forum has proven to be an interesting source of both.
 
iloveangels said:
That’s NOT DATA.
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It is data. Now if you want numbers, you’ll have to gather that on your own. I do know some actual numbers, but I won’t be posting them here, out of context. I just posted why I know this is - to an extent - a true statement.
 
R_C said:
It is data. Now if you want numbers, you’ll have to gather that on your own. I do know some actual numbers, but I won’t be posting them here, out of context. I just posted why I know this is - to an extent - a true statement.
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You don’t have data. People make these claims all the time, but they never have data to support them, and if data is not available there is no reason to believe these claims. It’s just that simple.
 
I propose we fly the flag at half mast until this man is out of office.
 
iloveangels said:
Oh, yes, they are. Only 17% of people who call themselves Catholic show up at mass on a weekly basis.

About the youth, that’s a pious myth. Show me quantitative evidence and I will believe it. I mean NUMBERS, DATA.
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Relax! The world is not so bleek!!!
 
BroomWagon said:
Lost the post but Republicans only control the House… but they say on a grass roots level, state level, it’s still not too bad for the Republicans.
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The big thing is though that they need to change their demographics. I myself have never been a republican because they support the rich. To be honest they need to hold the line on social issues and move economically to the center and actually help those of us struggling
 
CatholicGuy22 said:
Relax! The world is not so bleek!!!
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83% of Catholics who don’t bother to come to mass weekly? I think that’s terrible. And very telling about the condition of the Church in the US. It’s really nowhere near as big as officially claimed.

And with the HHS mandate, all kinds of interesting things are going to happen now. Ironic things.
 
iloveangels said:
83% of Catholics who don’t bother to come to mass weekly? I think that’s terrible. And very telling about the condition of the Church in the US. It’s really nowhere near as big as officially claimed.

And with the HHS mandate, all kinds of interesting things are going to happen now. Good luck.
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Prophets of Gloom! LOL The church will always survive. What is needed is trust that things will work out for the better.
 
XiWang717 said:
Thank you, very much, for your response; I truly appreciate it deeply. But Jesus did not really accept the authority of the Pharisees, per se, nor did Jesus submit to their demands and edicts.
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You are very welcome, and I do appreciate your kind words 🙂

Jesus actually did accept their authority. He willfully paid the taxes when they asked Him to do so, He accepted their authority to arrest and judge Him, and He accepted Pilate’s authority to scourge Him and condemn Him to death. He did, however, say He was king, and that His kingdom was not of this world. He never accepted any imposition from the earthly authorities that was against God’s will. And this we see in the way the Holy Spirit guided the apostles, and later the disciples who followed Christ even if this meant to be put to death, if necessary.

Think of it a bit like our parents: if my parents tell me to sin, I won’t. But I still accept their legitimate authority.

Now government is not like our parents, because sometimes authority is not legitimate. Every case is unique, every place and time is unique. But ultimately we can only chose between two masters: Christ or Satan.
 
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