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i wonder if we will see a population gain north of the border now? i heard some gave up everything from their house and income to Romney…why you would go homeless is beyond me…
 
Elizabeth502 said:
The election was a reflection of a changed and devolving majority culture, focused on getting not giving, focused on personal materialism and personal entitltement over any other value. I’m not bitter, just very sad about what I have been obseving for so long, and lamenting. The election was (sadly) logical, and should not have been a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.
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Well said. :clapping:
 
Observer3 said:
I don’t support the death penalty. I don’t believe have the right to take a life. Abortion is much more gray than this issue. Again, not all of us agree when life begins. I believe its arrogant to assume when life begins, when in truth we don’t know for sure. And again, abortion is sometimes a necessary event when a mother’s life is in danger. I know this from personal experience of people I know.
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Keith L Moore and T. v n Persuad in The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, page 16 say
Human development begins at fertilization when a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to produce a single cell, a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual
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April 1981 Congress did hearings on answering when does life begins. 57 witnesses, internationally known scientists have testimony. 1 scientist disagreed philosophically, but all the other scientists tesified that life began at conception

Here are what some of the experts said
Dr. Alfred M. Bongioanni, professor of pediatrics and obstetrics at the University of Pennsylvania, stated:
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“I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception…. I submit that human life is present throughout this entire sequence from conception to adulthood and that any interruption at any point throughout this time constitutes a termination of human life….
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I am no more prepared to say that these early stages [of development in the womb] represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty…is not a human being. This is human life at every stage.”
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Dr. Jerome LeJeune, professor of genetics at the University of Descartes in Paris, was the discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down syndrome. Dr. LeJeune testified to the Judiciary Subcommittee, “after fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being.” He stated that this “is no longer a matter of taste or opinion,” and “not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence.” He added, “Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception.”
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Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic: “By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”
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Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School: “It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive…. It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception…. Our laws, one function of which is to help preserve the lives of our people, should be based on accurate scientific data.”
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Dr. Watson A. Bowes, University of Colorado Medical School: “The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter—the beginning is conception. This straightforward biological fact should not be distorted to serve sociological, political, or economic goals.”
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A prominent physician points out that at these Senate hearings, “Pro-abortionists, though invited to do so, failed to produce even a single expert witness who would specifically testify that life begins at any point other than conception or implantation. Only one witness said no one can tell when life begins.”2
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Many other prominent scientists and physicians have likewise affirmed with certainty that human life begins at conception:
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Ashley Montague, a geneticist and professor at Harvard and Rutgers, is unsympathetic to the prolife cause. Nevertheless, he affirms unequivocally, “The basic fact is simple: life begins not at birth, but conception.”3
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Dr Robert George in his book Embryo says
That is, in human reproduction, when sperm joins ovum, these two individual cells cease to be, and their union generates a new and distinct organism. This organism is a whole, though in the beginning developmentally immature, member of the human species. Readers need not take our word for this: They can consult any of the standard human-embryology texts, such as Moore and Persaud’s The Developing Human, Larsen’s Human Embryology, Carlson’s Human Embryology & Developmental Biology, and O’Rahilly and Mueller’s Human Embryology & Teratology
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Human embryos, whether they are formed by fertilization (natural or in vitro) or by successful somatic-cell nuclear transfer (SCNT — i.e., cloning), do have the internal resources and active disposition to develop themselves to the mature stage of a human organism, requiring only a suitable environment and nutrition. In fact, scientists distinguish embryos from other cells or clusters of cells precisely by their self-directed, integral functioning — their organismal behavior. Thus, human embryos are what the embryology textbooks say they are, namely, human organisms — living individuals of the human species — at the earliest developmental stage
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Mickey said:
“After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded; the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go.”
Obama senior advisor Valerie Jarrett
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But the Republicans are the fascists.
 
Mickey said:
I have surely seen no such thing. That brings to mind a question. I wonder if Hillary runs in 2016…and the economy is still in the tank…will she blame Bush/Cheney? :hmmm:
He has promoted a policy of division and chaos.
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If Hillary runs at all in 2016, she will not do so if “the economy is still in the tank” since people will be longing for a change in party leadership. Hillary is nobody’s fool.
 
meltzerboy said:
If Hillary runs at all in 2016, she will not do so if “the economy is still in the tank” since people will be longing for a change in party leadership. Hillary is nobody’s fool.
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I’m not so sure about that. The Clinton’s love that power. It could be her last chance and she’ll take it…if there is still a country to run.
 
Abyssinia, a fact is not a few doctor’s opinions… that is not conclusive.
 
Not going to happen… matter of fact… I hope the Republicans fight him on everything. No congrats to the baby murder pres.
gamewell45 said:
I congratualte President Obama on his election; Lets hope that both major parties reach across the aisle and get some work done.
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Tampa_Dave said:
Gloating? Your choice of icon lends itself to that belief.
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Yeah, really analytical. :D:D:D

Yes, indeed this has been coming for some time, since the 80s. You might as well laugh at it, Dave, because you have to admit it has a sort of “Monty Python” quality about it. No make that Cheech and Chong.
 
Persuader said:
What are you even talking about? The US is a center-right country. Obama is a center-right politician. You tell me what policies are extreme left.

Reading this thread and speaking with right-wingers in general, exposes the issue. The religious right misconstrues reality. Sure, there is some progressive movement in the electorate, and Obama is pandering to this. But even so, it’s not like he managed proper health-care reform (with a public option or single-payer). And if he did, he still wouldn’t be an extreme leftist. How could it be extreme to do what every other western country has done long ago? Nothing Obama has done is extremely left-wing. Not even close.

If you want to change moral views on abortion, I think you would have to engage with the academic world. The electorate, and young voters especially (that have recently went to college or are still in college), know the arguments and they largely reject the pro-life position (especially the one informed by religious right reasoning). The professors at the colleges reject your position, and in case you didn’t know, they’re the one’s teaching your kids and they consider you ignoramuses. That’s the reality.

As far as I can see, the religious right has written off science and learning. Opposition to evolution, stem cell research and climate change - no interest in listening to new ideas coming out of science and academia. This won’t work.
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meltzerboy said:
If Hillary runs at all in 2016, she will not do so if “the economy is still in the tank” since people will be longing for a change in party leadership. Hillary is nobody’s fool.
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She will be too old. Imagine Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, Harry Reid, Sheila Jackson-Lee and Nancy Pelosi competing for the presidency at the first Democratic Party debate. That would be a sight. Liberal heaven, eh?
 
Observer3 said:
  1. I don’t agree with you that there is “proof” of life at conception. We don’t know when the spirit joins the flesh, we can only guess. That is the gray area. No one is sure when the spirit joins the flesh.
  2. I don’t discriminate and believe babies are more important than an adult. Life is life. This innocence is only temporary - that baby will soon be just like you and me.
  3. I know of a few instances where a mother almost died, and probably would have if she had not had an abortion. In one of these cases, she already had children to take care of. It was unfortunate, but it was better to save her life than to lave 3 children without a mother. Late term abortions are usually because of health complications. If a person waits this long to have an abortion simply because they changed their mind, I personally think it’s not right to have one. However, I still think it’s not up to me to decide - it’s between that person and God. When most people discover they are pregnant and don’t want to be, they have it taken care of very early on.
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  1. Basic biology - 2 sets of chromosomes combine and create life. Period. that is a life. may not be fully developed like you and I, but it is alive. now, since you say we don’t know when the spirit enters the flesh, that can allow for late term or post-birth abortions.
  2. Agreed, though I hope my children are not like me. 😃
  3. Now, I don’t know the circumstances, but in my example of ectopic pregnancy, the act of removing the fallopian tube saves the mother. It unfortunately means the embryo does not survive, as it would not have thrived where it attached anyways as it were. Life is precious no matter what. I had a friend in H.S. who was the product of a rape. His mom did not go through with an abortion.
 
Mar044 said:
i wonder if we will see a population gain north of the border now? i heard some gave up everything from their house and income to Romney…why you would go homeless is beyond me…
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And in fact:

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409221,00.html

usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-23/mexican-immigration-united-states/54487564/1

articles.cnn.com/2011-03-04/world/mexico.reverse.migration_1_mexican-migrants-border-patrol-agents-tucson-sector?_s=PM:WORLD

All the American jobs are now in Mexico.
 
oldcelt said:
The vast majority of his charity went to the CLDS. As a Mormon he is required to tithe.

John
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Romney freely chooses a religion that requires 10% tithing, so that doesn’t count. The fact that he donates more than 10% doesn’t figure in. The fact that he and his family donate at least 10% of their tine to charitable works doesn’t figure in because that would hurt the story line that GOPers are nothing but rich white men who want to bilk the poor to stuff their coffers.

The federal government, which we voted in, takes money from tax payers and sets up federally funded programs, that’s compassion for the poor.

The same government that wants to impose a tax on religious institutions that help the poor and the sick, because they are not religious enough. Yet unions, such as the government workers’ SEIU union are exempted. Auto workers, exempted.
 
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