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I don’t know what audio you are talking about, but what Obama voted for as Illinois senator was a bill allowing doctors to kill infants who were born from botched abortions with a terminal condition, i.e. were going to die shortly anyway. Now I don’t agree with that bill and I definitely don’t agree with Obama on abortion rights generally, but it is wrong to accuse him of sanctioning infanticide. People need to ascertain the truth, not what is fed to them and what they want to believe (and btw, it is a grave sin to believe the worst about someone without diligently ascertaining the facts).
I don’t see the difference between killing an infant with a terminal condition and infanticide. Why is it okay to kill an innocent baby that has been born despite all attempts to kill it just because it has a terminal condition?

Does that mean that a baby who was born into a loving home with a terminal condition is fair game, does that infant also forfeit it’s right to live?
 
The ones who voted Obama are well informed, intelligent children of God and Obama’s victory is God’s Will. Are saying that anything that is in print is the truth?
Are you saying LifeNews, National Review Online **and countless other sources are lying?? **Are stating mistruths??

lifenews.com/2012/08/27/obama-backs-infanticide-lies-about-abortion-isnt-he-extreme/

It’s his voting record.

lifesitenews.com/blog/washpo-readers-protest-absurd-fact-check-of-obama-infanticide-ad

Life News and Life Site News certainly are connected to Christian and Catholic causes.

So you are saying they state mistruths. I will take their word for it. **

National Review article by Rammesh Ponnuru.** nationalreview.com/articles/316590/obama-and-infanticide-ramesh-ponnuru# A

nd are you saying the abortion survivor, Melissa Ohden is not telling the truth?? Her video was broadcast widely. Are you saying Rammesh Ponnuru is not saying the truth? And everyone here is not either?? Do we need to keep on posting more sources, mentioned at one of the Republican debates by Newt Gingrich.

Jill Stanek, a nurse, writes about a personal experience in Illinois.

All of this is on the web.
 
Wow, I have to say after hearing from Obama supporters ( not speaking of this thread) about why they voted for him, the talking points almost universally come verbatim from one of his false attack ads. I just don’t understand people that make their voting decisions based on tv commercials.

I talked to my best friend of over 30 years, she does not follow politics at all, but her husband does so invariably she tells me what he thinks as she admits she doesn’t follow it. In 2008 he supported Romney in the primary. This time he was leaning towards voting for Obama. When I asked her about all the usual issues we discuss here, she had no idea. She gave me all the Obama ad talking points. sigh. I just don’t know what you can do about people who refuse to spend any time educating themselves on the political process or the candidates. Much of the nation doesn’t even pay attention during the primaries and that is the most important time as we choose our candidates then.
Yes. We have become a shallow and superficial secular humanistic narcisistic society. A society where people get their information from TV commercials and flaming left wing Hollywood. Yes…this is a chastisement. May God grant people wisdom and tears of repentance.
 
I would not want to lie. There are several studies showing Wikipedia’s poor reliability on issues. Wikipedia is very reliable for pop culture information, but academic information it is not very reliable on. Hence why most universities do not allow students to cite Wikipedia as a source in a paper.
PM me the studies if you have them. This doesn’t matter here anyway, since the numbers are sourced and we can check the sources online.
Excuse my poorly written response about proportions. I was trying to say that proportionally the suicide rates are higher in the Scandinavian regions than in America. You are dealing with two drastically different sized populations. Assisted suicide is also not considered suicide anymore even though it is. So a portion of the numbers are not being reported.
What? In 2009 you had 12 suicides per 100 000 in the US, and 11.9 suicides per 100 000 in Norway and Denmark. That’s proportionate. I don’t understand your complaint. Neither am I aware that assisted suicide is legal in Scandinavia.
I don’t see the difference between killing an infant with a terminal condition and infanticide. Why is it okay to kill an innocent baby that has been born despite all attempts to kill it just because it has a terminal condition
Because the child is going to die anyway (terminal condition), and most probably within a short period of time. What is the difference (for a newborn) between dying at birth (t=0.xh (where t=time and h=hours)) and t=24h (say). Probably a whole lot of pain, and little else.
 
Democrats do.
Disagree
I didn’t invent a theory. I learned about this in Catholic bible class. It’s taught by Jeff Cavins in the Great Adventure Bible study course. He says in the video that divorce was allowed because men were killing their wives to get out of the marriage. Why would this be so hard to believe especially since all we have to do is look at what still happens today in the Middle East especially in the Muslim culture?
If that was the reason they would have been charged with murdering their wives. But the Gospel teaches us that the ‘hard hearted people’ of those times, forced Moses to write such a Law for them. Therefore, what you said is no doubt an invention, irrespective of who taught you that.
I makes no sense to say that one kind of murder is up to one’s conscience but other kinds of murder should be punishable.
It happens to make sense all over the world. Every sin may not be judged by humans, only those which threaten social harmony and justice. If someone refuses to believe in God, no one may punish the person.
 
Are you saying LifeNews, National Review Online **and countless other sources are lying?? **Are stating mistruths??

lifenews.com/2012/08/27/obama-backs-infanticide-lies-about-abortion-isnt-he-extreme/

It’s his voting record.

lifesitenews.com/blog/washpo-readers-protest-absurd-fact-check-of-obama-infanticide-ad

Life News and Life Site News certainly are connected to Christian and Catholic causes.

So you are saying they state mistruths. I will take their word for it. **

National Review article by Rammesh Ponnuru.** nationalreview.com/articles/316590/obama-and-infanticide-ramesh-ponnuru# A

nd are you saying the abortion survivor, Melissa Ohden is not telling the truth?? Her video was broadcast widely. Are you saying Rammesh Ponnuru is not saying the truth? And everyone here is not either?? Do we need to keep on posting more sources, mentioned at one of the Republican debates by Newt Gingrich.

Jill Stanek, a nurse, writes about a personal experience in Illinois.

All of this is on the web.
Thank you for the links.
 
It happens to make sense all over the world. Every sin may not be judged by humans, only those which threaten social harmony and justice. If someone refuses to believe in God, no one may punish the person.
You say you are Catholic. Do you believe that abortion is intrinsically evil? And do you accept all of the Church’s teachings about abortion always being objectively an act of murder? Because my primary sources for this teaching are the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Pope John Paul II’s encyclical, The Gospel of Life.
 
Yes. We have become a shallow and superficial secular humanistic narcisistic society. A society where people get their information from TV commercials and flaming left wing Hollywood. Yes…this is a chastisement. May God grant people wisdom and tears of repentance.
Indeed. I thought I could not be any more disheartened in 2008, but I was wrong. The country has turned from honor, from leadership, from success, and has become a nation of spoiled brats who seem about 5 years old, “HE has what I want! Give it to me! Give it to me NOW!!”

:mad:😦

I haven’t been able to eat much all day, I keep having waves of nausea.

Sorry for all the people who have gotten suspended or banned along the pages of this thread.
 
It wasn’t based on slavery. South Carolina seceded over economic concerns, mainly tariffs designed to push merchant traffic to northern ports. The three main concerns in order of importance were I) The powers of the federal government, especially in regard to taxing and otherwise acting in favor of some states more than others.
II) The states right to self govern according to the will of the people. (See the catholic teachings on subsidiarity.) III) Lastly and least, the perceived right to hold slaves.

The only state whose act of secession even mentions slavery is Alabama.
Hmmm. First, I probably shouldn’t be going off on a tangent here, and second, I am not an expert on causes of the Civil War. I do have to point out, however, that as far as slavery goes, most mainstream historians now agree that this was the main issue sparking the war and not states’ rights. I guess that one side didn’t want to say that they were fighting to keep a morally reprehensible institution and the other didn’t want to say that they were fighting for the rights of whom they considered to be an inferior people. Maybe by saying the cause was states’ rights it kinda made them more comfortable with what they were really doing. (The latter is my opinion only.) Why this country chose to keep teaching the whole states’ rights cause to generations of school children, I don’t know. Purely beyond my poor power to add or detract.
 
It is sad that the GOP has continued to use the abortion card as bait for so many years now, and still, we have people on this forum eat it up. The GOP knows they’ll get a lot of votes with this card, so it gives them the freedom to do nothing about health care and capital punishment. Thankfully, most American’s didn’t fall for it this time. Thank God for that!
 
It is sad that the GOP has continued to use the abortion card as bait for so many years now, and still, we have people on this forum eat it up. The GOP knows they’ll get a lot of votes with this card, so it gives them the freedom to do nothing about health care and capital punishment. Thankfully, most American’s didn’t fall for it this time. Thank God for that!
And of course the Democrats use the abortion card to appeal to their base, and they mean every word of it, and promise to promote and protect abortion. Should Catholics vote for candidates who promise to protect and defend a moral evil? It is simply indefensible.
 
It is sad that the GOP has continued to use the abortion card as bait for so many years now, and still, we have people on this forum eat it up. The GOP knows they’ll get a lot of votes with this card, so it gives them the freedom to do nothing about health care and capital punishment. Thankfully, most American’s didn’t fall for it this time. Thank God for that!
I sure don’t thank God for the Democrat supported Murder Machine known as Planned Parenthood.
 
Persuader;9990982) said:
So even if the child is wanted and was born into a loving family you would be alright with Doctors ending it’s life with or against the parents wishes solely based on born with a terminal disease or does your viewpoint only apply to unwanted babies who were unsuccessfully aborted. Even though there are cases of babies who are born with terminal diseases who actually survive against all odds.
 
We should all strive to be Christian like Obama, babies born alive should be left to die if they survive abortion. He’s a great guy!
My understanding here is that you were being sarcastic. Was this just a general comment or were you commenting on my post proper?
 
Protests in Mississippi, any slurs are wrong and we all know when the NBPP used them they were hardly covered in the media but the Left’s bread and butter has been to call others racists, make threats, tear down signs, etc. Enough is enough, people have a right to respond, Benghazi may be worse than Watergate which could see a President impeached along with Fast and Furious. Liberal Media outlets like especially NBC should be boycotted as they seem to be a voice of vitriol themselves. Peaceful and civil but protests nonetheless may be the way against Tyrants.
 
So even if the child is wanted and was born into a loving family you would be alright with Doctors ending it’s life with or against the parents wishes solely based on born with a terminal disease or does your viewpoint only apply to unwanted babies who were unsuccessfully aborted. Even though there are cases of babies who are born with terminal diseases who actually survive against all odds.
Even if a baby is terminally ill, they still should be taken care of to the best of our ability. I don’t see your point.
 
There was that poll, that a lot of people don’t even know the Vice President’s name. So this is a serious matter for a Democracy the size of the USA, it’s evident we have a large number of people who are ill-informed. And it may well cost us seriously.
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” Winston Churchill

Sad but often true.
 
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