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Robert_Sock
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Whatever your views on gay issues or the insurance mandate, you have to praise Obama for his immigration reform. This is the Christian thing to do.
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BroomWagon
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True, we’ve seen the wonders it has done for California.Whatever your views on gay issues or the insurance mandate, you have to praise Obama for his immigration reform. This is the Christian thing to do.
So you are actually for marriage being corrupted as well??
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BroomWagon
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Do you praise Obama for the 16 innocent teenagers massacreed in Ciudad Juarez with fast and furious guns from the Obama administration? Do you praise Obama for a border patrol agent Brian Terry being killed with fast and furious guns? Do you think that was the Christian thing to do?Whatever your views on gay issues or the insurance mandate, you have to praise Obama for his immigration reform. This is the Christian thing to do.
abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/cartel-leader-mexican-massacres-linked-operation-fast-furious/story?id=17362442#.UMLNQ6yLM4A
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SaintPatrick333
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Immigration reform should not aid those here illegally. What of the countless people waiting their turn to come here legally. They are looking for a better life. Obama would deny them because they didn’t come here illegally. If they get amnesty then I would encourage anyone who wanted to come here to come here illegally. Apparently that is the quickest way to get all the benefits of citizenship.
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BroomWagon
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Bravo! Well-Said. Fair is Fair.Immigration reform should not aid those here illegally. What of the countless people waiting their turn to come here legally. They are looking for a better life. Obama would deny them because they didn’t come here illegally. If they get amnesty then I would encourage anyone who wanted to come here to come here illegally. Apparently that is the quickest way to get all the benefits of citizenship.
The path to citizenship should include knowing the language and standing in line as has been proposed by some.
It is known, advertisements for Food Stamps for coming to the US were run on Mexican Novelas (Soap Operas) in that country. Such Christian goodwill.
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pnewton
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Because we limit those who can enter, and then offer preferential preference against the poor, not everyone is able to wait their turn. They have not turn to wait. Our bishops here have consistently told Catholics that we need to reform our immigration system. Since we do not know what is being proposed, it is premature to speak against it. For sure it should not discriminate against those who try an obey immigration law, but then the current law should not discriminate against the laborer.What of the countless people waiting their turn to come here legally…
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Don_Jackson
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Praying for you!Do you praise Obama for the 16 innocent teenagers massacreed in Ciudad Juarez with fast and furious guns from the Obama administration? Do you praise Obama for a border patrol agent Brian Terry being killed with fast and furious guns? Do you think that was the Christian thing to do?
abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/cartel-leader-mexican-massacres-linked-operation-fast-furious/story?id=17362442#.UMLNQ6yLM4A
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Don_Jackson
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Praying for you!Immigration reform should not aid those here illegally. What of the countless people waiting their turn to come here legally. They are looking for a better life. Obama would deny them because they didn’t come here illegally. If they get amnesty then I would encourage anyone who wanted to come here to come here illegally. Apparently that is the quickest way to get all the benefits of citizenship.
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Regina_Love
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Right that’s what he was thinking. It had nothing to do with adding 11 million democratic voters to the mix.Whatever your views on gay issues or the insurance mandate, you have to praise Obama for his immigration reform. This is the Christian thing to do.
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InJesusItrust
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Why do people in this forum say “praying for you” when they encounter those they disagree with? Is it some passive-aggressive way of putting down the person? Does the public really need to know that you are praying for someone?
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Elizabeth502
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True. And the reverse is equally true: ***Since we do not know what is being proposed, it is premature to speak in favor of it. *** (Depends on the “it” being proposed, and how well that proposal does and does not conform to other mandates and guidelines from the Church.)Our bishops here have consistently told Catholics that we need to reform our immigration system. Since we do not know what is being proposed, it is premature to speak against it. For sure it should not discriminate against those who try an obey immigration law, but then the current law should not discriminate against the laborer.
The bishops have not officially spelled out what those reforms should be, how they should be carried out or prioritized versus other needs, etc. An individual bishop here and there has registered enthusiasm about a concept; that is all. Catholics are not morally bound to support the personal opinions of individual bishops. And it doesn’t make an individual “more” Catholic to support random opinions of individual bishops. Any Catholic has such an option, of course, if it makes him or her feel more devout.
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pnewton
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It may well be that what is proposed is totally unacceptable.True. And the reverse is equally true: ***Since we do not know what is being proposed, it is premature to speak in favor of it. ***
You sound like there is no agreement in the bishops, but some individual rogue opinions. This is not true. Much action has been taken as a group of shepherds giving guidance to the Church as a whole.And it doesn’t make an individual “more” Catholic to support random opinions of individual bishops. Any Catholic has such an option, of course, if it makes him or her feel more devout.
usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/immigration/
This is from more than just a random opinion of an individual bishop. The bishops unified state:In 2003, the Bishops of the United States, together with the Bishops of Mexico, in the pastoral statement, “Strangers No Longer: Together on the Journey of Hope” / “Juntos en el Camino de la Esperanza Ya no Somos Extranjeros” acknowledged that the current immigration system is badly in need of reform and offered a comprehensive set of recommendations for changing U.S. laws and policies to bring about a more humane and just immigration system in the United States.
usccb.org/issues-and-action/cultural-diversity/pastoral-care-of-migrants-refugees-and-travelers/resources/welcoming-the-stranger-among-us-unity-in-diversity.cfm
We bishops commit ourselves and all the members of our church communities to continue the work of advocacy for laws that respect the human rights of immigrants and preserve the unity of the immigrant family. We encourage the extension of social services, citizenship classes, community organizing efforts that secure improved housing conditions, decent wages, better medical attention, and appropriate educational opportunities for immigrants and refugees. We advocate reform of the 1996 immigration laws that have undermined some basic human rights for immigrants. We join with others of good will in a call for legalization opportunities for the maximum number of undocumented persons, particularly those who have built equities and otherwise contributed to their communities.
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BroomWagon
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Not wanting your patronizing view of me, I don’t vote for someone who voted for INFANTICIDE! Like Obama. A black child is 5 times more likely to be aborted than some of their counterparts. Tell ya what, why don’t you pray for them! Glad to see in Ohio alone, though Obama’s numbers declined nation-wide, he got 100,000 new African American votes in 2012. Good to know we have fair elections.Praying for you!
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BroomWagon
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dailycaller.com/2012/07/12/usda-uses-spanish-soap-operas-to-push-food-stamp-participation-among-non-citizens-citizens/
The government has been targeting Spanish speakers with radio “novelas” promoting food stamp usage as part of a stated mission to increase participation in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), or food stamps.
Each novela, comprising a 10-part series called “PARQUE ALEGRIA,” or “HAPPINESS PARK,” presents a semi-dramatic scenario involving characters convincing others to get on food stamps, or explaining how much healthier it is to be on food stamps.
The food stamp story. Not sure if these were broadcast into Mexico itself.
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_Abyssinia
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What do the people waiting in line for visas get? Will they faster entry to the US?
It is one thing to talk about immigration reform, Obama said he would pursue in his 1st term and he did, and it is another thing to create and pass legislation
7 amnesty laws passed since 1986
1986 - Immigration and Reform Control Act (for estimated 2.7 million illegal immgirants)
1994 - Immigration and Nationality Act - Section 245(i) (for estimated 578000 illegal immigrants)
1997 - Extension of Section 245(i)
1997: The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (for estimated 1 million illegal immigrants)
1998 - The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act (for estimated 125000 illegal immigrants)
2000 - Extension for estimated 400000 illegal immigrants who under 1986 act
2000 - The Legal Immigration Family Equity Act for estimated 900000 llegal immigrants under Section 245(i)
professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303768104577460771434938462.html
Obama supported ‘poison pill amendments’ that contributed to destroying immgiration reform in 2007
It is one thing to talk about immigration reform, Obama said he would pursue in his 1st term and he did, and it is another thing to create and pass legislation
7 amnesty laws passed since 1986
1986 - Immigration and Reform Control Act (for estimated 2.7 million illegal immgirants)
1994 - Immigration and Nationality Act - Section 245(i) (for estimated 578000 illegal immigrants)
1997 - Extension of Section 245(i)
1997: The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (for estimated 1 million illegal immigrants)
1998 - The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act (for estimated 125000 illegal immigrants)
2000 - Extension for estimated 400000 illegal immigrants who under 1986 act
2000 - The Legal Immigration Family Equity Act for estimated 900000 llegal immigrants under Section 245(i)
professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303768104577460771434938462.html
Obama supported ‘poison pill amendments’ that contributed to destroying immgiration reform in 2007
The short story is that the immigration bill was the work of a small, bipartisan group of senators. Late in the game, Mr. Obama joined the process, where he asked for (and received) changes in the bill. Yet when the legislation moved forward, Mr. Obama backed a series of poison-pill amendments. One was pushed by Sen. Byron Dorgan (D., N.D.) to weaken the guest-worker program. Sen. Ted Kennedy (D., Mass.) was outraged because he knew this amendment was really organized labor’s effort to kill the immigration bill, not to help workers. “Who is the senator from North Dakota trying to fool?” Mr. Kennedy snapped from the Senate floor.
Mr. Obama voted “yea” on the Dorgan amendment. We know he knew it was a deal-killer because several senators had said so (Sen. Jim DeMint, who had voted “nay” on an earlier version, switched his vote for precisely that reason). Thus Mr. Obama pulled off a trifecta: appeasing Big Labor while telling Latinos he supported the bill and blaming Republicans for its failure…. What makes Mr. Obama’s 2007 Senate vote so galling—and different from that of others who voted the same way—was that his support for the poison pills betrayed the bipartisan group of senators who had let him in on the writing of the bill.
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Don_Jackson
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“…for the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and the whole world.”Not wanting your patronizing view of me, I don’t vote for someone who voted for INFANTICIDE! Like Obama. A black child is 5 times more likely to be aborted than some of their counterparts. Tell ya what, why don’t you pray for them! Glad to see in Ohio alone, though Obama’s numbers declined nation-wide, he got 100,000 new African American votes in 2012. Good to know we have fair elections.
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ringil
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The Church approved of immigration reform and what many around here would call “amnesty”.
Church teaching on abortion- yes, I agree!
On Gay marriage- Yes absolutely!
Immigration- Well, not so much.
Church teaching on abortion- yes, I agree!
On Gay marriage- Yes absolutely!
Immigration- Well, not so much.
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ringil
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And what do the Bishops say about this “amnesty”?What do the people waiting in line for visas get? Will they faster entry to the US?
It is one thing to talk about immigration reform, Obama said he would pursue in his 1st term and he did, and it is another thing to create and pass legislation
7 amnesty laws passed since 1986
1986 - Immigration and Reform Control Act (for estimated 2.7 million illegal immgirants)
1994 - Immigration and Nationality Act - Section 245(i) (for estimated 578000 illegal immigrants)
1997 - Extension of Section 245(i)
1997: The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (for estimated 1 million illegal immigrants)
1998 - The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act (for estimated 125000 illegal immigrants)
2000 - Extension for estimated 400000 illegal immigrants who under 1986 act
2000 - The Legal Immigration Family Equity Act for estimated 900000 llegal immigrants under Section 245(i)
professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303768104577460771434938462.html
Obama supported ‘poison pill amendments’ that contributed to destroying immgiration reform in 2007
Are you guys Republicans first and Catholics second?
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Elizabeth502
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Precisely.It may well be that what is proposed is totally unacceptable.
You sound like there is no agreement in the bishops, but some individual rogue opinions. This is not true. -]Much action has been taken/-] Many general, broad statements have been made as a group of shepherds giving guidance to the Church as a whole.
:This is from more than just a random opinion of an individual bishop. The bishops unified state the following broad suggestions
And no different, broadly, than what many of us individual Catholics have suggested, except that the terms we suggest have included much more specificity and reflect much more contemporary updates than assumptions the bishops typically put out. Some of us take the trouble to study material from many sources as to what to implement and how best to implement it, in keeping with the above principles. It is not the job of the US bishops (and they do know it; they are not confused) to create national policy, let alone issue orders to legislators and individual Catholics as to what specifically to implement and what to lobby for.We bishops commit ourselves and all the members of our church communities to continue the work of advocacy for laws that respect the human rights of immigrants and preserve the unity of the immigrant family. We encourage the extension of social services, citizenship classes, community organizing efforts that secure improved housing conditions, decent wages, better medical attention, and appropriate educational opportunities for immigrants and refugees. We advocate reform of the 1996 immigration laws that have undermined some basic human rights for immigrants. We join with others of good will in a call for legalization opportunities for the maximum number of undocumented persons, particularly those who have built equities and otherwise contributed to their communities.
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