Obama plans push for immigration reform

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I’ve noticed this too and I agree with you that in most cases it’s really just meant as a subtle putdown that wasn’t given much thought. I mentioned the same thing earlier in the year in another thread:

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You seem to know my heart, but let me clarify my actions:

One could easily engage in argument with those they disagreed with, or one can instead, pray for the person they disagree with.

It’s not as you say a “put down” to the individual I am in disagreement with, but rather a means to steer away from pridefullness and towards humility.

My prayers therefore are not prayers asking the Father to make them share my personal opinions, but for God to continue to bless them, and therefore reminding me that the will and power of God is important, and my personal feelings do not compare.

Without meaning to anger you, I am praying for you.
 
When all arguments have been made, the end result will still be, that those who are supported so strongly by the American bishops will become strong voting bloc for those most opposed to Catholic teaching.
But we must act with compassion and love regardless of the political consequences
 
Dick Morris put it best: Republicans want Hispanics here to work, Democrats want them here to vote. Give them work, but make ALL immigrants go through legalization channels to become full citizens.
cheap labor ,cheap votes.
 
If one researches it, there have been illegal immigrant pickups in the past, with Eisenhower and I believe in fact with Truman and FDR.

Still, I think per the measures Sen. Lindsay Graham pointed out, to secure the borders, offering citizenship per learning English (test) and going to the back of the line per allowing those petitioning for citizenship from other countries would be fair.

You have to praise Senators Lindsay Graham and Marco Rubio. Their measures seem to be the Christian thing to do.
 
The Bishops Conference from what I read does say we don’t need to compel free citizenship if it would basically alter the whole demographics of the US.

So I would believe the Bishops are saying we don’t need to do this “regardless of political consequences”. Not sure if rewarding illegal acts are acting out of compassion in the overall big picture.
 
When all arguments have been made, the end result will still be, that those who are supported so strongly by the American bishops will become strong voting bloc for those most opposed to Catholic teaching.
I don’t believe that the Bishops think in terms of political strategy, but in terms of human rights and Catholic ethics.
 
The Bishops Conference from what I read does say we don’t need to compel free citizenship if it would basically alter the whole demographics of the US.

So I would believe the Bishops are saying we don’t need to do this “regardless of political consequences”. Not sure if rewarding illegal acts are acting out of compassion in the overall big picture.
So uprooting families from their homes and sending them back to countries some have not seen since they were children is compassion?
 
and no different, broadly, than what many of us individual catholics have suggested, except that the terms we suggest have included much more specificity and reflect much more contemporary updates than assumptions the bishops typically put out. Some of us take the trouble to study material from many sources as to what to implement and how best to implement it, in keeping with the above principles. it is not the job of the us bishops (and they do know it; they are not confused) to create national policy, let alone issue orders to legislators and individual catholics as to what specifically to implement and what to lobby for.
excellent!!!
 
The Bishops Conference from what I read does say we don’t need to compel free citizenship if it would basically alter the whole demographics of the US.
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What is “demographics”?

THe CHurch doesn’t give a hoot about the racial make-up, culture, milieu, etc. of a country. The Church cares about people and souls.

Demographics are immaterial to the Church.
 
So uprooting families from their homes and sending them back to countries some have not seen since they were children is compassion?
No, who said that??

As Senators Graham and Rubio have done, there could be a pathway to citizenship, per Graham, secure the borders, applicants learn English, go to the back of the line behind those who have applied properly for citizenship, not granting citizenship simply to those who illegally enter the country which might even be a felony in itself. I don’t believe compassion should reward illegal acts.
 
So uprooting families from their homes and sending them back to countries some have not seen since they were children is compassion?
My ancestors learned English. Do you think some people are more entitled than others?? Is that compassion??
 
My ancestors learned English. Do you think some people are more entitled than others?? Is that compassion??
The Church has no stand on whether individuals should or should not learn the dominant language of the country they dwell in.
 
The Church has no stand on whether individuals should or should not learn the dominant language of the country they dwell in.
This is true. Bishops now allow Masses to be said in many vernaculars.

And we might as well get used to it. The U.S. has become bilingual in the eyes of the Vatican.
 
This is true. Bishops now allow Masses to said in many vernaculars.

And we might as well get used to it. The U.S. has become bilingual in the eyes of the Vatican.
Indeed, the Vatican has no concern for what some call “American Culture” whatever that is.

They, and the Pope sees the US as a mass of souls to be saved. They are concerned with the best way to do that.

Secular things like language, food, celebrations, traditions, customs, are irrelevant to them.
 
Those who are born in the U.S. to “illegals” are LEGAL. Therein lies the problem with using the term illegal instead of undocumented. Just saying.
Actually, some argue that the mother and her child are subject to the jurisdiction of the mother’s own native country.

This is a Constitutional question dealing with the 14th amendment.
 
Indeed, the Vatican has no concern for what some call “American Culture” whatever that is.

They, and the Pope sees the US as a mass of souls to be saved. They are concerned with the best way to do that.

Secular things like language, food, celebrations, traditions, customs, are irrelevant to them.
That might be true, but that does not mean that we as Americans should have no concern for our traditions, language and culture. We are definitely justified to be concerned about the effects of continued unfettered, massive illegal immigration on our country - particularly on our infrastructure, education system, etc.

Ishii
 
Bravo! Well-Said. Fair is Fair.

**The path to citizenship should include knowing the language **and standing in line as has been proposed by some.

It is known, advertisements for Food Stamps for coming to the US were run on Mexican Novelas (Soap Operas) in that country. Such Christian goodwill.
Countless numbers of immigrants have some to this country without knowing the language. And since the US has never had an official language, it’s not possible to require immigrants to know any specific language.

Were the advertisments designed to be shown in the US or in Mexico? It is entirely possible that an ad run on a Spanish-language station can be seen in both counries.

As we discussed in previous threads, it is perfectly OK for he US government to let people know about programs for which they may be eligible. What the limits of the program are and how it is administered are separate questions.
 
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