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Mrs_Sally
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ishii
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But we should have a stand as Americans, no? The Church has no stand on what exactly should the income tax rate should be. Does that mean we should also have no stand? I didn’t think so.
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BroomWagon
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What you say may have some logic to it but check Louisiana out, they were admitted as a State based on their becoming an English speaking State and NOT French speaking.
proenglish.org/projects/puerto-rican-statehood/193-no-puerto-rico-statehood-without-english
One language unites us. Why become even more divided than we already are?
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Mrs_Sally
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This is the position I’ve come to as well. We do know that immigration (legal and illegal) from Mexico and Central and South America is down since the recession. Also it appears that many illegal (and legal?) immigrants are returning to their home countries volunteraly. Of course, there are still millions of immigrants.
I support a reasoned plan to secure our borders, to deport those who commit crimes, to increase penalities for employers who hire illegal immigrants, but to also keep families together and allow those brought here as children to stay under the conditions of the Dream Act.
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Yes, but if we are speaking about what the Church thinks, than we can’t mix in our politics. Once we have determined our direction - based on Church teaching, then we determine the prudential path from there.
So for me it is Church, country, then politics.
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Mrs_Sally
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However, the Church sees the US as a bilingual country. Despite those various conditions, as a country we have never official adopted a national language. I see more and more official materials and signage in both English and Spanish. And locally, because this is a very diverse area, we see matierals from the local government and school district in several other languages as well. Korean is one of the most commonly spoken languages in this area for example.
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Tigg
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We have a fairly large contingent of Hispanics who have recently come into our area - some are here illegally and speak little or no English. I’m amazed at the futility of our parish community when we are told we must welcome the stranger. HOW do I reach out my hand across the aisle to those I cannot communicate with? How do we learn who we are from one another, or how to trust each other? Language is so important and bi-lingualism is divisive. They have their own Spanish Mass, their own Stations of the Cross during Lent and their own exclusive celebrations since we have a Latino priest. This is a good thing for them to worship in their native tongue, and yet there is no intermingling between us and the language difference perpetuates the separation. Worse than that, our pastor now has started to say “Body of Christ” in Spanish during Communion to those he knows are of Hispanic heritage even though they will freely tell you they were born in this country and English is their first language. We’ve worshipped together for several years – we are friends and socialize with each other – many have been invited to my home for a meal. We NEVER realized we were different from each other until it was pointed out to us – and I ask you - at the Communal banquet of the Lord should an ethnic or cultural difference be emphasized when we are ONE mystical Body of Christ. WHY emphasize our differences rather than our similarities? It has been very harmful and sometimes even embarrassing for them (even if that was not the intent) and has caused division within the church community .
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BroomWagon
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Source? Does the church not count Korean, Hmong, Vietnamese? Just bilingual?
By the way, saying the Church the church sees the nation as “bilingual” which I’m not sure about really is not what this thread is about.
If it was good enough for Louisiana and may of for some of our ancestors, to make exceptions may not be fair and moral.
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Tigg
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Yes, those here illegally who are offered all manner of privileges have been exploited by our government and used to alter the political landscape. And worse than the link above is the way the culture of death is targeting Hispanics by educating them in reproductive “health.”
They have a utilitarian purpose only and immigration reform is Obama’s payback for the 71% of Latinos who voted for him and ensured his victory.
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Mrs_Sally
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The information was given in this thread by a man who is Superior of a Franciscan house.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9808970&highlight=bilingual#post9808970
My point to this is that while the US government has not declared an official language, the Catholic church sees the US as a bilingual nation. That of course does not mean that the US cannot make citizenship contingent on knowing English (or any other language). It does mena that as Catholics we should be sensitive t o what the Holy See says about our country.
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BroomWagon
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Great, a member of our community here. That’s great but that’s not the Vatican.
The person in question did not give any official Vatican document stating that the USA is a bilingual nation. The Church may be bilingual or multilingual. The Church is not the Government.
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BroomWagon
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I’ve been to the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City, I am bilingual. This really doesn’t have any affect on the discussion per citizenship.
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ProVobis
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So maybe changing from Latin, the official language of the Church and perhaps the U.S. currency and flag*, to a vernacular was not such a good idea after all?
- Sometimes we even see a politician standing under a flag with the words “E Pluribus Unum” on it. And we still exchange $1 bills with the words “Annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum” on them.
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I hope you all are doing well. I’ve been at Scout.com following conference realignment discussions involving the ACC, B1G Ten, Big XII, and the SEC, so I haven’t been here in awhile. I see everyone remains in their respective liberal or conservative camps. Different issues, but everyone is still responding predictably in line with their political ideology.
I support the Catholic view, as stated by the Vatican and the USCCB. So, whatever their collective pronouncements on immigration reform are, I’m there. The rest is noise.
I support the Catholic view, as stated by the Vatican and the USCCB. So, whatever their collective pronouncements on immigration reform are, I’m there. The rest is noise.
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ProVobis
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FWIW, Spanish preceded English in the entire America continents. And today there are far more Spanish-speaking bishops than English-speaking ones as well.
If the Church were ever to go to a “unifying” language, I doubt it would be English. English-speaking countries (with maybe Phillipines as an exception) are hardly Catholic.
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BroomWagon
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And so Native American languages, Navajo for example preceded Spanish. Does this mean we should take up the original Native American languages?
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Tigg
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It is still prudential judgment, and a political choice, not definitive church teaching. Or perhaps, anti-illegal immigration is discernment in favor of the common good which seems to have been preempted in the current social justice annuls of today???I hope you all are doing well. I’ve been at Scout.com following conference realignment discussions involving the ACC, B1G Ten, Big XII, and the SEC, so I haven’t been here in awhile. I see everyone remains in their respective liberal or conservative camps. Different issues, but everyone is still responding predictably in line with their political ideology.
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