It is not what compassion is about because it is totally irrelevant. Anecdotes of the evil immigrant are not relevant. Their use in the context of immigration is fear-mongering propaganda. We need to recognize this when the pundits trot it out. Consider this. Would anyone think that teenagers who kill others in accidents think it we should get rid of all teenagers. It is absurd on the surface.Also, let’s remember that though accidents involve all people, there are a number of notable incidents where someone, in this country illegally, end up in an accident killing American citizens.
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This certainly is not what Compassion is about.
The condition was that English be the language of their government, not that they be an English-speaking state.What you say may have some logic to it but check Louisiana out, they were admitted as a State based on their becoming an English speaking State and NOT French speaking.
This is proven fact. A politician from Iowa even gave stats that American Citizens are killed every so often by illegal aliens.It is not what compassion is about because it is totally irrelevant. Anecdotes of the evil immigrant are not relevant. Their use in the context of immigration is fear-mongering propaganda. We need to recognize this when the pundits trot it out. Consider this. Would anyone think that teenagers who kill others in accidents think it we should get rid of all teenagers. It is absurd on the surface.
Very good! Gold Star!The condition was that English be the language of their government, not that they be an English-speaking state.
Same here, but realize that most of their statements offer guidelines, not specific laws. Also, “everyone” here is not responding in accord to political ideologies. It is just as much an error to lump all people together here as it is in the political arena.Different issues, but everyone is still responding predictably in line with their political ideology. I support the Catholic view, as stated by the Vatican and the USCCB. So, whatever their collective pronouncements on immigration reform are, I’m there.
On November 3, Rep. King stood just outside the Capitol building with Congressman Walter Jones and activists Jeff Lewis and TPIC founder John Stahl, alongside Jamiel Shaw Sr. and Ray Tranchant (who both lost their children to the reckless and even murderous actions of illegal aliens) and said:
According to Rep. King’s website: “Since 2005, there have been 25,065 homicide arrests of criminal aliens in the United States, and King’s resolution aims to honor and mourn these preventable deaths.”These are real human stories, there’s real pain and real agony going on a daily basis in the United States of America, and we treat it as if it’s just some kind of tolerable interruption of our lives. It’s not. It’s an interruption of innocent lives that takes place because we have an administration that refuses to enforce immigration law.
Well, I guess you do not understand what the concept of anectdotal evidence is all about. Of course these are anecdotes. Here let me help you.This is proven fact. A politician from Iowa even gave stats that American Citizens are killed every so often by illegal aliens.
These aren’t anecdotes, these are proven facts so your false statement is insulting.
This girl and 3 other children were killed on a rural road in Minnesota. She was adopted by the Olsen’s, doesn’t sound like a Chinese name does it.
Yeah, really trust the main stream media .Well, I guess you do not understand what the concept of anectdotal evidence is all about. Of course these are anecdotes. Here let me help you.
This evil immigrant image is no different than other propaganda used to demonize an entire population. That you attached a picture like it really mattered only convinces me I was right, as well as the link to a sight called Family Security Matters. The title contains just another single incident, not statistics. The title is:
School Bus Tragedy Ends in Death At The Hands Of Illegal Alien Driver
I will stick with the Catholic Church, thank you, and leave these fear-mongering blogs to those of like mind.
Authorities have confirmed that the the driver of the van that struck the school bus that killed 4 students on Tuesday is an illegal alien.
Officials at the Immigration and Customs Enforcement are checking to see where she came from and how long she’s been in Minnesota. **FOX 9 **has also learned that the name she gave to police, Alainiss Morales, is an alias.
23-year-old Alainiss N. Morales was taken into custody on suspicion of criminal vehicular operation. She was arrested by the State Patrol Thursday afternoon and is being held in Lyon County Jail. County Attorney Rick Maes told the Marshall Independent charges could come later Thursday or Friday…The van was driven by Alianiss N. Morales, 23, of Minneota. The Fox 9 Investigator found Morales pleaded guilty in Chippewa County in 2006 to driving without a valid license.
Is that better??**
Illegal alien van driver arrested in Minnesota schoolbus tragedy
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I do not know that this can be determined, or will prove to be true. Do you have any reason or evidence for this?When all arguments have been made, the end result will still be, that those who are supported so strongly by the American bishops will become strong voting bloc for those most opposed to Catholic teaching.
**Sister Jacqueline Walsh, 59
Beloved Catholic nun**
Allegedly killed by
Unnamed Guatemalan, 28
An alleged illegal alien from Guatemala living in New York is the suspect in the hit-and-run death of Sister Jacqueline Walsh, 59.
The suspect’s former roommate, Marvin LeJarza, told authorities that he believed the suspect may have gone back to Guatemala. LeJarza told authorities that he believed his ex-roommate had earned a living as a groundskeeper for people with Hampton estates.
OJJPAC note: It’s unfortunate that people who can easily afford to hire well qualified Americans to maintain their estates instead hire illegal aliens.
These incidences are more common than we would know. Just like some crimes, full details are not always told by the mainstream media.Source: Suspect in hit-and-run nun death has likely fled country: ex-roomate, By Selim Algar, Daniel Prendergast & Pedro Oliveira Jr., 7-14-12
I did not call the murder of children irrelevant or absurd. I do not mean to say you are absurd. I am saying that the style of argument that points to the worst situation in *any *group and says that it is relevant to the type of people these are is absurd. The same tactic can be used, and has been used to demonize Jews, blacks and Catholics, and can be used against anyone. It is simply not reasonable.I will stick with the Catholic Church and not the words of someone who calls the murder of children by someone not even from this country, irrrelevant and absurd.
A unifying language?FWIW, Spanish preceded English in the entire America continents. And today there are far more Spanish-speaking bishops than English-speaking ones as well.
If the Church were ever to go to a “unifying” language, I doubt it would be English. English-speaking countries (with maybe Phillipines as an exception) are hardly Catholic.
This is a silly post. No one is saying that immigrants are evil so cut out the straw man argument. Illegal immigrants are often w/out car insurance. I think disregard for our immigration laws goes hand in hand w/ violating other laws. We are talking disrespect for laws. So what the previous poster said about drunk driving illegals is a valid point.It is not what compassion is about because it is totally irrelevant. Anecdotes of the evil immigrant are not relevant. Their use in the context of immigration is fear-mongering propaganda. We need to recognize this when the pundits trot it out. Consider this. Would anyone think that teenagers who kill others in accidents think it we should get rid of all teenagers. It is absurd on the surface.
Well, let me just say that I disagree with everything you have said here, as well as the way you said it. I do not use strawman arguments. There are, in fact, anectdotal incidents reported above. In the same post, you will not find any evidence that these represent illegal immigrant in a greater way than the average population. These two things can be checked by anyone who wishes to scroll up and determine for themselves which of us is “silly”.This is a silly post. No one is saying that immigrants are evil so cut out the straw man argument. Illegal immigrants are often w/out car insurance. I think disregard for our immigration laws goes hand in hand w/ violating other laws. We are talking disrespect for laws. So what the previous poster said about drunk driving illegals is a valid point.
If you think that illegal immigrants commit more crime than the rest of the population, I have yet to find the evidence of it. The above posts document two (2) cases of illegal immigrants driving drunk. I bet we could look and find more. Heck, let us look and see how many blacks drive drunk while we are at it. Maybe we can make sweeping statements about them based on some incidents. I for one do not like stereotypes, like evil immigrants or drunk Mexicans.I think disregard for our immigration laws goes hand in hand w/ violating other laws. We are talking disrespect for laws. So what the previous poster said about drunk driving illegals is a valid point
Oh, get off your high horse. You totally used a straw man argument when you referred to what the previous poster was saying equivalent to using an “evil immigrant” argument. That was a strawman tactic used to stifle debate when one has no counter argument. It is valid and legitmate to consider that many illegals do not have auto insurance, for example. If people disregard our immigration laws then don’t be surprised if they also disregard our other laws - such as the requirement to have a license to drive, to have auto insurance, and to drink only while sober. Instead of engaging in silly ad hominem, strawman arguments, why not address those points.Well, let me just say that I disagree with everything you have said here, as well as the way you said it. I do not use strawman arguments. There are, in fact, anectdotal incidents reported above. In the same post, you will not find any evidence that these represent illegal immigrant in a greater way than the average population. These two things can be checked by anyone who wishes to scroll up and determine for themselves which of us is “silly”.
If you think that illegal immigrants commit more crime than the rest of the population, I have yet to find the evidence of it. The above posts document two (2) cases of illegal immigrants driving drunk. I bet we could look and find more. Heck, let us look and see how many blacks drive drunk while we are at it. Maybe we can make sweeping statements about them based on some incidents. I for one do not like stereotypes, like evil immigrants or drunk Mexicans.
The thing is, the rate of drunk driving is not really relevant. That is against the law for all. As I have said, I think obeying criminal law should be part of any immigration reform.
It is one way that I disagree with some of the assessments of the USCCB. To put it another way, how would it be, on one hand, up for debate that inside every immigrant group is a core group which mirrors the above virtually angelic description? I have no doubt, even had I known no immigrant, that every such group would include such described people. I know that simply from life experience.As Wednesdy is the Feast or Our Lady of Guadalupe, I think it good to post the letter from last year as a message of solidarity as we anticipate a renewal of this subject in the up-coming Congress.
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In a very special way we want to thank you for the Christian values you manifest to us with your lives—your sacrifice for the well-being of your families, your determination and perseverance, your joy of life, your profound faith and fidelity despite your insecurity and many difficulties. You contribute much to the welfare of our nation in the economic, cultural and spiritual arenas.