Obama Ready To Sign Gay and Lesbian Marriage Act In Federal Constitutional Amendment

[iamme]

yknow, for all the vitrol and anger thats been spewed, by both sides, that we should reflect on the prayer of st francis.

 

[NDN]

A graceful withdrawel, although I think St Francis was probably anti abortion. Pax Christi

 

[maggiemay2u]

if its virtue of nature, then its explicitly NOT outside the norm, and regardless of nurture, theyre american citizens, and that guarantees equal rights as anyone else. and who are you, exactly, to decide what is and isnt “the norm”. you are aware that society is made of thousands of different factions, faiths, beliefs, preferences, biases, and flaws, right? so what is the norm?

My friend, nature makes mistakes all the time. Persons born without limbs, blind or mentally disabled, are all of nature, but are all outside the norm. It isn’t for me to decide, it was decided long ago. I have no desire to hurt you, for I’m sure you are in pain. Truth is truth. Male and female were specifically designed to compliment one another and to insure procreation. The act of homosexual sex is outside the design.

Homosexuals are blessed with their cross, just as those who are sightless or crippled, or those who must suffer dread diseases. It’s how we respond to the cross we’re assigned that is the measure of our worth.

The driver’s license was meant as an illustration, I thought I made that clear, that many people would like to do many things, but due to physical limitations, wanting and getting are often two different things. Sorry if you took it as an insult.

 

[iamme]

A graceful withdrawel, although I think St Francis was probably anti abortion. Pax Christi

no withdrawal. i think youre fully entitled to your beliefs, tho i find the way you put them across to be both off putting and disgusting, and not godly in any way.

 

[maggiemay2u]

youd think that, but prop 8 raped that idea to death.

You do understand that Prop 8 came about as the result of an activist court overruling the will of the people, ie, Prop 22 of 2000, which passed with 61% of the vote, right?

 

[iamme]

The driver’s license was meant as an illustration, I thought I made that clear, that many people would like to do many things, but due to physical limitations, wanting and getting are often two different things. Sorry if you took it as an insult.

it wasnt insulting, it was a completely pointless comparison. being gay, if it is considered a defect by anyone (it isnt a defect, but the world is made up of 99% idiots, so…) then it isnt a physical defect.

ever hear of comparing apples and oranges?

 

[iamme]

You do understand that Prop 8 came about as the result of an activist court overruling the will of the people, ie, Prop 22 of 2000, which passed with 61% of the vote, right?

it wasnt an activist court. and 61% isnt a majority, especially when you consider that not everyone able to vote, actually does so.

and prop 8 came about as the result of bigoted churches who used fear mongering and preying on the ignorant, right?

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I agree completely! The FOCA bill would pass in this liberal climate we have in Wash. this term. It will completely do away with all of the progress we have worked so hard for in restricting abortion. It will take freedom of choice away from health care workers who don’t want to provide or participate in abortion, by making them subject to firing for thei beliefs. Pax Christi

That’s unconstitutional, and a federal suit by physicians for life should be in order here.

 

[maggiemay2u]

it wasnt insulting, it was a completely pointless comparison. being gay, if it is considered a defect by anyone (it isnt a defect, but the world is made up of 99% idiots, so…) then it isnt a physical defect.

ever hear of comparing apples and oranges?

Both are defects of nature. Sorry.

 

[iamme]

Both are defects of nature. Sorry.

i really am beginning to think you have absolutely no idea what youre talking about, ever.

 

[maggiemay2u]

it wasnt an activist court. and 61% isnt a majority, especially when you consider that not everyone able to vote, actually does so.

Ahhh, yeah, that would be 61% of the persons who were eligible to vote and actually did so…by your logic, Obama with 54% isn’t a majority win and he shouldn’t be president? This is the United States. We have rules and methods of establishing them. The will of the people spoke, not once, but twice.

and prop 8 came about as the result of bigoted churches who used fear mongering and preying on the ignorant, right?

No. Though activist homosexual groups, who outspent prop 8 supporters by millions of dollars, in an attempt to perpetrate this largely untrue view.

Again, I’m sorry about your pain, but on this forum, political happenings are viewed through the spectrum of Catholicism loyal to Rome, not to mention common sense. You can shout from the rafters that homosexual sex is within the natural order because it can take place, but just as you mentioned rape in a previous post, because it can happen, doesn’t make it right. I’ll pray for you.

 

[iamme]

Ahhh, yeah, that would be 61% of the persons who were eligible to vote and actually did so…by your logic, Obama with 54% isn’t a majority win and he shouldn’t be president? This is the United States. We have rules and methods of establishing them. The will of the people spoke, not once, but twice.

and yet you go on about abortion. maybe you should get over it then, huh? let people murder all the babies they want. suck it up lady, you lost.
and obama won by much, much more than 54%. mccain and the non-wit palin were crushed.

No. Though activist homosexual groups, who outspent prop 8 supporters by millions of dollars, in an attempt to perpetrate this largely untrue view.

Again, I’m sorry about your pain, but on this forum, political happenings are viewed through the spectrum of Catholicism loyal to Rome, not to mention common sense. You can shout from the rafters that homosexual sex is within the natural order because it can take place, but just as you mentioned rape in a previous post, because it can happen, doesn’t make it right. I’ll pray for you.

ive tried not to say this, catholics loyal to rome 1) believe in an invisible magician in the sky, who makes things happen by thinking them, but wont change a single bad thing in the world. yes, of course, common sense. 2) you cant, havent, and will never prove that homosexuality isnt genetic in nature, and that it does the body any harm by being, therefore, it cant be a defect.
yours is the kind of person who drives people away from god, and should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[williamric]

I may be mixing up my Constitution ways again but I think the president has nothing to do with the amendment process. You need at least a 2/3 majority in the state legislatures or in the congress for it to be proposed and than 3/4 of the states have to approve it. The president might sign it but that is only ceremonial.

Yup, you’re right… I’m from South Africa, and even I know that lol… Well anyway, even though prop 8 was democratically voted on(in cali at least), it wouldn’t surprise me if politicians stick their noses in

 

[iamme]

Yup, you’re right… I’m from South Africa, and even I know that lol… Well anyway, even though prop 8 was democratically voted on(in cali at least), it wouldn’t surprise me if politicians stick their noses in

i truly hope they do.
this is a case of someones rights being taken away from them, and prop 8 never should have made it that far to begin with, and only made it through based on lies and scare tactics. the campaign they ran was disgusting, and im not a big proponent of gay marriage, as i dont really plan on getting married. but this has opened my eyes that even if it doesnt effect me now, it could, and i should speak up for it.

 

[williamric]

i truly hope they do.
this is a case of someones rights being taken away from them, and prop 8 never should have made it that far to begin with, and only made it through based on lies and scare tactics. the campaign they ran was disgusting, and im not a big proponent of gay marriage, as i dont really plan on getting married. but this has opened my eyes that even if it doesnt effect me now, it could, and i should speak up for it.

You have done a 180 degree turn from two days ago when you adamently declared legal = right … Are you willing to recant?

And, can you pleaes cite a independent source which verifies your claims of scare tactics?

Also, NO ONES rights have taken away. It has never been legal for gay people to marry…

 

[iamme]

You have done a 180 degree turn from two days ago when you adamently declared legal = right … Are you willing to recant?

And, can you pleaes cite a independent source which verifies your claims of scare tactics?

Also, NO ONES rights have taken away. It has never been legal for gay people to marry…

what reality do you live in?

On May 15, 2008, the court ruled in a 4–3 decision that laws directed at gays and lesbians are subject to strict judicial scrutiny and that marriage is a fundamental right under Article 1, Section 7 of the California Constitution, thereby holding unconstitutional the previously existing statutory ban on same-sex marriage embodied in two statutes, one enacted by the Legislature in 1977, and the other through the initiative process in 2000 (Proposition 22). The Court’s ruling also established that any law discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation is constitutionally suspect, making California the first state in the United States to set such a strict standard.[2] On June 4, 2008 the court denied the request for rehearing by the same 4-3 majority while unanimously denying a petition for a stay, affirming that the decision would take effect as scheduled.[3] The Writ of Mandate directing the State Registrar of Vital Statistics and all County Clerks to comply with the ruling was issued by the Superior Court on June 19, 2008.[4]

there, in california, where prop 8 passed, it was 100% legal and a constitutional right for gays to marry PERIOD. you cannot argue with that.

Proposition 8 was a California ballot proposition in the November 4, 2008, general election. It changed the state Constitution to restrict the definition of marriage to opposite-sex couples and eliminated the right of same-sex couples to marry, thereby overriding portions of the ruling of In re Marriage Cases.[1] The measure added a new section (7.5) to Article I, which reads: Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.[2][3][4] California’s State Constitution put the measure into immediate effect on November 5, the day after the election.[5] The proposition did not affect domestic partnerships in California.

The campaigns for and against Proposition 8 raised $35.8 million and $37.6 million, respectively, becoming the highest-funded campaign on any state ballot that day and surpassing every campaign in the country in spending except the presidential contest. The proponents argued for exclusively heterosexual marriage and claimed that failure to reverse a California Supreme Court ruling from May 2008 that recognized a right of same-sex couples to marry (In re Marriage Cases) would damage society, require changes to what was taught in schools about marriage, and threaten the free exercise of religion. The opponents argued that eliminating the rights of any Californian and mandating that one group of people be treated differently from everyone else was unfair and wrong (see Equal Protection Clause).

those are scare tactics. all gay marriage did, was allow two people who loved each other to get married, they just happened to be of the same sex. as far as i know, they dont teach marriage in school, so i dont know how thats applicable, unless they change it to say you can marry whoever you want, which is probably what they would teach anyways. i dont see how love damages society in any form, unless its the kind of love that comes with a bomb, and i dont think gay marriage shuts down churches.

now, im sure you can come up with all sorts of reasons about how gay marriage would destroy the world, kill god, turn children into murderers, but thats what ive come to expect from the majority of posters on this subject, so forgive me if i dont buy into any of it.

in conclusion, im absolutely correct. gay marriage was a constitutional right, and proposition 8 took away the rights of the people.

EDIT: and i declared that abortion is legal so theres no need to justify why one has one, its their right. i never said legal=right, YOU did, i never acknowledged you saying it. and the way you keep following me around threads, do you have a homosexual crush on me or something?

 

[williamric]

EDIT: and i declared that abortion is legal so theres no need to justify why one has one, its their right. i** never said legal=right**, YOU did, i never acknowledged you saying it.

Before I go into the rest of your post, Here is your own comment:

i therefore, do not think it is murder, and using the name of a crime for the word abortion, is wrong, hence me saying abortion is legal, legal=right.

To be found here:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4661176&postcount=34

Lets wait and see what your next excuse is…

and the way you keep following me around threads, do you have a homosexual crush on me or something

hahaha… have you lost your mind… You’re the homosexual, remember?

And, I never asked you to reply to my comments either

 

[iamme]

Before I go into the rest of your post, Here is your own comment:

To be found here:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4661176&postcount=34

Lets wait and see what your next excuse is…

hahaha… have you lost your mind… You’re the homosexual, remember?

And, I never asked you to reply to my comments either

my mistake, i did say it. in regards to abortion, and i stand by it. abortion is legal that makes it right. i didnt say everything legal is right, because that would imply everything illegal is wrong, and thats just dumb.

 

[williamric]

my mistake, i did say it. in regards to abortion, and i stand by it. abortion is legal that makes it right. i didnt say everything legal is right, because that would imply everything illegal is wrong, and thats just dumb.

Okay fine… I don’t want to dis-rail this thread any further with abortion, so I’ll just stick to the gay marriage topic… I’ll probably only reply after work though

 

[iamme]

Okay fine… I don’t want to dis-rail this thread any further with abortion, so I’ll just stick to the gay marriage topic… I’ll probably only reply after work though

thats convenient.
but you really dont need to reply, as its spelled out how right i am.