Obama Revises Mandate: Free Abortion-Causing Drugs for Women

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Can anyone tell me where this “98%” stat comes from? I thought American Catholics were divided pretty evenly into two camps, conservative and liberal. If that’s true, it doesn’t make sense that 98 PERCENT of Catholic women use contraceptives to prevent conception…it would be abhorrent to faithful women to violate such a cardinal teaching.

I thought one problem with this stat is that it doesn’t take into account conservative Catholic women who take the pill to regulate their menstrual cramps (which is licit according to canon law as long as it is not intended to prevent conception and steps are taken to avoid sexual contact while on the pill), but NOT for contraceptive use.

Can anyone link me to the facts behind this stat?

And where does the 30% stat come from? People need to let the media know! I can’t stand that they keep recycling this “98 percent” stat, I’m sure it’s not true.
I don’t have a link but the 98% statistic refers to any Catholic female who has ever in their life-time used contraception. So adult Converts who do not currently use ABCs would still be factored into this statistic if they used it before conversion. 🤷
 
Forcing this to insurance companies does not help at all … there are Catholic Insurance companies too … I posted this earlier Providence does not just operate hospitals and clinis - they provide health insurance too …

What are these Catholic Insurance companies going to do - will they too be foreced to porvide these services - and free at that?

www2.providence.org/holycross…80310_rev2.pdf

This is from there PDF describing their insurance:

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Part Four
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Issues in Care for the Beginning of Life

Introduction


The Church’s commitment to human dignity inspires an abiding concern for the sanctity of human life from its very beginning, and with the dignity of marriage and of the marriage act by which human life is transmitted. The Church cannot approve medical practices that undermine the biological, psychological, and moral bonds on which the strength of marriage and the family depends. Catholic health care ministry witnesses to the sanctity of life “from the moment of conception until death.”

The Church’s defense of life encompasses the unborn and the care of women and their children during and after pregnancy. The Church’s commitment to life is seen in its willingness to collaborate with others to alleviate the causes of the high infant mortality rate and to provide adequate health care to mothers and their children before and after birth.
 
Yes. Probably thousands of terrible laws. These are called barriers to entry in economics and our system is full of them. They help to entrench established companies and lessen competition.

This was true long before Obama. I remember in 2001 actually reading the dense insurance booklet I got. It stated that due to a new federal law, promoted by Ted Kennedy if I recall correctly, any insurance policy that provided breast cancer treatment must also provide reconstructive surgery. They’ve been interfering with free market health care for a long time. Laws like that raise health care costs. I’m sure plenty of women could have afforded insurance to just remove the cancer and forgone the reconstructive surgery. I hope their priority would have been tumor removal and reconstruction would have been something they could go without if they did not have the funds (after all bodily perfection runs the danger of the sin of vanity). But that law necessarily drove up prices and led to some being uninsured.
Teddy Kennedy is also responsible for the HMOs in the 1980s that helped drive health care costs much higher.
 
I don’t have a link but the 98% statistic refers to any Catholic female who has ever in their life-time used contraception. So adult Converts who do not currently use ABCs would still be factored into this statistic if they used it before conversion. 🤷
Found it.

On the “98 percent of women use contraception” boloney:
The “98 percent” number comes from a survey conducted by the **Guttmacher Institute **- the question asked was whether women ages 18-45 had EVER used contraceptives. So the stat means that 98% of Catholic women, by the age of 45, state that they have used some form of contraception on at least one occasion. This did not even attempt to make a distinction between one use, occasional use, or frequent use. It did not attempt to make a distinction between what someone may have done at one time in her life and what she does now, with what she has come to know and understand now. And it did not attempt to distinguish between what a woman may have done at least one time and what she believes is right or appropriate to try to live up to. It is not a useful number to quote but it is showing up all over the place recently.
You were right, and the stat is obviously flawed because it fails to account for the religious dimensions of a moral objection that is intrinsically religious. It’s junk statistics. I need EVERY faithful Catholic to make the media aware that the stat is fatally flawed. Spread the word.
 
While I don’t disagree with this I don’t think it is necessarily that cut and dry either.

This president is pushing an agenda that was bound to run afoul of the constitution. His twin goals of “universal healthcare” AND “Women’s reproductive rights” (read: access to free or cheap contraceptives) are simply incompatible under under a single unit because it will inevitably run into problems stemming from religious and conscience rights.

Perhaps another, more intelligent, president could have blended the two things in an acceptable, but not this one…

In truth, I think that the fact that the Catholics he has surrounded himself with are dissidents hasn’t served him well at all. The advice he would receive from such people is bound to be skewed. So when they discussed this and formulated the rule, he did not expect that backlash that he has gotten.
Plus - he (and a good many others) seem to think that the Catholic Church is some sort of “democracy” where the majority rules.
We hear (and no doubt he has also) about how many Catholics have used some form ABC so, in the mind of many, this seems justification for the Church to change her teaching or accept this infringement. I’m sure we’ve all seen such comments in various articles and discussions.
Such a thing might work in other religious groups but it doesn’t work in the Catholic Church.

May god give us the strength we need.

Peace
James
Good thoughts. I looked up some of the comments you made and remember some of the over seas countries that are using some form of contraceptives, which I had just read up on contraceptive injections, there is a good website to read up on this: fhi360.org//NR/rdonlyres/e54ksdzjj2y5cvvptp2hvgh4cphj2lb5wydj5epy34ifu5s36owi3qknr4cew6rkjraf7hxwimo37g/KampalaReportIBP.pdf

When you mentioned about the agenda on universal health care and women’s reproduction - I started to remember a health care class that I took awhile back and the discussion about all this. What a trigger, I hope this is not going toward controlling the number of children each family can have?
 
President Obama has announced a compromise he is willing to enact on his mandatory abortion pill and contraceptive mandate. Employees of religious institutions that don’t believe in that sort of thing will have to ask the organization’s insurance company for the coverage, whereupon the insurance company will have to provide it free of charge without raising the institution’s rates. Thus the insurance company, not the faith-based employer, will be paying for the morning after pills and contraceptives. And the faith-based employer would not be directly providing for them. Rather, the employee would get them off the books.

See washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-to-announce-adjustment-to-birth-control-rule/2012/02/10/gIQArbFy3Q_story.html

Does this really solve the problem?

Aren’t all of the expenses of an insurance company ultimately and necessarily passed on to the customers?

And isn’t the result exactly the same apart from the moral casuistry of trying to shuffle around the responsibility?

And the administration isn’t saying how this would work with institutions, such as many non-profits, that are self-insured, in which employers collect premiums but then pay for employee health expenses themselves.

The Roman Catholic bishops (washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/us-bishops-blast-obamas-contraception-compromise/2012/02/11/gIQAlGVO7Q_story.html) note other problems: The government’s apparent dispensations apply only to non-profit organizations. A Catholic or other pro-life business owner would still have to directly provide free abortion pills and contraceptives, which would mean for the Catholic, being forced by law to be complicit in a grave sin.

Also church-related insurance companies are not exempt from having to provide this kind of coverage.

Because of earlier H.H.S. machinations, the Morning After pill is now available over the counter. What insurance plans cover non-prescription medication? Your health insurance won’t pay for a bottle of aspirin or Nyquil. And yet the Obama administration is insisting that this over-the-counter medication be covered free of charge, without even a deductible. The agenda here is clearly that of pro-abortion fanaticism.
 
No, it doesn’t solve or fix anything.

The insurance company is not going to eat the cost of this coverage.

Ultimately it will be passed on through premium increases. Which means the Catholic (or any other religious organization) will still be paying for it indirectly.

I worked in the health insurance industry for way to many years. Believe me, nothing they do is “free”.
 
Obama Revises Mandate: Free Abortion-Causing Drugs for Women

Washington, DC – The Obama administration has revised its controversial mandate that had forced religious employers to pay for health insurance coverage that includes birth control and drugs like Plan B, the morning after pill, and ella that can cause abortions.

lifenews.com/2012/02/10/obama-revises-mandate-free-abortion-causing-drugs-for-women/
Another problem as discussed on Relevant Radio is that some Archdioceses are self insured, ie. they apparently insure their employees themselves. The result is as an insurance provider they are required by law to provide contraception services (and I would assume by next year or the next, abortion services), The Archdiocese of Chicago, for instance, will be required by law to provide these services that the Arch diocese of Chicago, as a Catholic structure, finds morally reprehensible.
 
It solves nothing because the employer still has to pay for insurance. So even if birth control is not mandated, but the insurance can be used to buy birth control, then the Church still winds up paying for birth control.

BTW this is very personal for me. My wife and I, neither of us were practicing Christians when we got married, we quickly had two children and decided to start birth control via the pill. We decided that we didn’t like it because it made my wife feel sick and really moody almost all of the time so we quit.

My youngest child is now 7 and we can’t get pregnant. My wife has had cervical cancer scares twice and we both suspect that the pill had at least a part to play.

So all those who think birth control is no big deal… think again.

Also all of our friends who decided to “Wait until they were ready” and took the pill into their thirties, are now infertile as well. My wife and don’t say anything because they don’t agree with our stance, but we both think that its not coincidence.

Of course I know this is all anecdotal testimony, but once is a fluke, twice is a coincidence, many times over is a trend.

I pry if you are reading this and are young and wondering whether you should or should not use birth control… don’t because you may be deciding for the rest of your life that you don’t want children… ever.

God Bless
 
Good thoughts. I looked up some of the comments you made and remember some of the over seas countries that are using some form of contraceptives, which I had just read up on contraceptive injections, there is a good website to read up on this: fhi360.org//NR/rdonlyres/e54ksdzjj2y5cvvptp2hvgh4cphj2lb5wydj5epy34ifu5s36owi3qknr4cew6rkjraf7hxwimo37g/KampalaReportIBP.pdf

When you mentioned about the agenda on universal health care and women’s reproduction - I started to remember a health care class that I took awhile back and the discussion about all this. What a trigger, I hope this is not going toward controlling the number of children each family can have?
My guess is that this is what it will come to if we don’t fight it, yes. All kinds of very strange things can happen if the government gets to decree what we believe and what we have to put in our bodies.
 
Another problem as discussed on Relevant Radio is that some Archdioceses are self insured, ie. they apparently insure their employees themselves. The result is as an insurance provider they are required by law to provide contraception services (and I would assume by next year or the next, abortion services), The Archdiocese of Chicago, for instance, will be required by law to provide these services that the Arch diocese of Chicago, as a Catholic structure, finds morally reprehensible.
I have read the same thing, many times over, in the course of the last week.
 
I also wonder how they came up with that stat. I took the pill but for only 6 months and not for birth control. The doctor thought I had a cyst on my ovary so we tried that to make it shrink. I wasn’t even married at the time.

I wonder if they are taking this into account? I am sure the church has no problem if the pill is used for medical reasons other than birth control. If they are using that stat it is deceiving.
 
I also wonder how they came up with that stat. I took the pill but for only 6 months and not for birth control. The doctor thought I had a cyst on my ovary so we tried that to make it shrink. I wasn’t even married at the time.

I wonder if they are taking this into account? I am sure the church has no problem if the pill is used for medical reasons other than birth control. If they are using that stat it is deceiving.
No, I’m pretty sure they’re not taking things like that into consideration. This 98% figure is an old statistic from Planned Parenthood. And guess who’s in cahoots with Obama on this issue?

abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/policy-and-politics-of-contraception-rule-fiercely-debated-within-white-house/
 
I love this issue as it so clearly demonstrates how politicians adopt half truths and posturing in place of morals and principles. So I agree with you that this solves nothing.
 
My guess is that this is what it will come to if we don’t fight it, yes. All kinds of very strange things can happen if the government gets to decree what we believe and what we have to put in our bodies.
The strangest thing has already happened - why would the government even approach this with the church? Even though the stats maybe 98%, and what 2% don’t use contraceptive, how could the government be able to give this a percentage (in general, the U.S (?)) from the Catholics? Targeting, a specific age group between 30-44 years of age? Where these percentages factoring in what type of insurance coverage they already had, their wages, and professional verses non professional status before they even approached this, as well as, who their employers were? I worked for a professional research company that focused specifically on hospitals, working conditions, and whether these employees were satisfied with their wages and working conditions. The questions, and not being able to give an opinion while conducting the interview - are pretty specific, yet - most of the questions could lean toward how the group, whoever paid for this service, wants them asked. Doesn’t that make sense? You can be bias, even on the approach.
 
The strangest thing has already happened - why would the government even approach this with the church? Even though the stats maybe 98%, and what 2% don’t use contraceptive, how could the government be able to give this a percentage (in general, the U.S (?)) from the Catholics? Targeting, a specific age group between 30-44 years of age? Where these percentages factoring in what type of insurance coverage they already had, their wages, and professional verses non professional status before they even approached this, as well as, who their employers were? I worked for a professional research company that focused specifically on hospitals, working conditions, and whether these employees were satisfied with their wages and working conditions. The questions, and not being able to give an opinion while conducting the interview - are pretty specific, yet - most of the questions could lean toward how the group, whoever paid for this service, wants them asked. Doesn’t that make sense? You can be bias, even on the approach.
Absolutely.
This is the thing about most, what I call, “Random Statistics”. Statistics quoted out of context of the specific study and related stats contained in said study.
They really tell you nothing of any value and worse, they give a false impression.
Then you add in the “telegraph effect” of these things being passed around and you have something like this:
“XYZ study found that, of 3,517 women responding who identified themselves as Catholic, 3,440 said that they had used some form of artificial birth control at some time in their life.” Of these, 2,174 said it was during a period when they were not practicing their faith, 896 said it was during a period of high stress and family difficulty, and 1,854 say that they now believe they were wrong to have used it.
This what is published in some reputable journal…
But after being passed around and discussed by several people it becomes reported at coffee breaks and over lunch as:
98% of Catholic women use artificial birth control.

NOTE ON ABOVE - THESE NUMBERS ARE COMPLETELY MADE UP BY ME AND REPRESENT NO PUBLISHED STUDY - DO NOT REPEAT THEM OUTSIDE OF THIS CONTEXT!!!

My point being here that even a well conducted study seeking to obtain good clear and useful numbers can quickly become useless by being quoted out of context and without supporting information - usually by people who have little idea of the necessary rigors involved in developing, conducting, analyzing and reporting a good statistical study.

More often these things are used by people with some agenda which this particular number (out of context) seems to support or can be used for shock value.
Then others, who don’t recognize the misleading and “out of context” character of the statement, repeat it…and on it goes…

I hate that statistics have such a bad reputation among the masses. Statistical analysis can and does provide much good information. Unfortunately they are too often misused - misapplied - the result of poorly designed experiments and studies - and then they are worse than useless.

Color me frustrated :banghead:

Peace
James
 
I see our president as a lot like the pagan Caesars who had no problem with the native religions of their conquered lands, as long as they also worshiped Caesar. They had no understanding that Jews and Christians could not do that, because everyone else could just add another god to their pantheon.

Sadly, Obama, the secularists, and even many catholics do not understand how fundamental this is to the practice of our faith. Many of us will be called to a kind of martyrdom before this fight is over.

If you need a realistic example of the long term fight we are in, please read this account of the fight the Amish had with Social Security. It took them from 1938 to 1965 to obtain a statutory exemption from Social Security and Medicare on the grounds that forced insurance violated their consciences.

amishnews.com/amisharticles/amishss.htm
Yes. I agree with this. The thing is, this HHS mandate was never necessary! The nation is awash in contraception! There is no shortage of it, and no need for mandated coverage by those whose religion and whose conscience it offends. It seems rather like a forced test to ensure that everyone bow at the altar of the state religion of secularism, rather like Caesar requiring Christians to offer incense at his altar as a test of loyalty.
 
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