Obama to Give Commencement Speech at Notre Dame

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estesbob said:
“Those who are not liberal when they are young have no heart, those who remain liberal as thy mature have no mind”

Fr Jenkins is problem.
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I agree. Wisdom comes with age and it typically leads to more conservative attitudes. Father Jenkins then typifies the arrogance of this generation that worships youth and refuses to grow up.

There is one aspect that is most disturbing. Just what kind of heart is involved in dismissing the lives of the innocent unborn so cavalierly?

Is it true that for 90% of Notre Dame’s youth this is just not a factor in deciding who we shall honor and who we shall not.
In an age where our old have refused to grow up, the heart of our young is a heart shrouded in darkness.
 
The situation at Notre Dame is very sad. It looks like another generation of potential Catholic leaders, will have to re-examine their conscience at a later time in their life. I pray the Holy Spirit will touch their hearts, and thank God for reconciliation. We like to believe that simply providing a great education will automatically lead to great Catholic leaders.
I believe it is far more important to provide true Catholic and catechism teaching.
Notre Dame has to decide if it wants to be first, a great university and second a great Catholic University, or does it want to be first a great Catholic University, and second a great university.
Pray for Notre Dame it is on the verge of falling into hell.
 
Delasalleman said:
I thank you for your correcting me. I am just confused regarding this furor of catholics over Obama when I don’t recall reading or hearing much catholic objection to Bush who as Governor of Texas for five years sanctioned the death of over 130 people, one of whom I believe was considered to be mentally retarded. He also seemed to take pride in this. I also do not recall much Catholic outrage over the war in Iraq, even after evidence kept growing that Mr. Bush lied to us as to the reasons we invaded that country.

As far as I know Mr. Obama didn’t solicit the invitation to Notre Dame, it was extended to him by the university. To now embroil the new president

Abstinence from sex for all those who do not wish to have children would be an ideal solution. I just do not believe that is feasable. Education, Contraception and possibly better economic conditions for the poor in this country seem to me to be some answers to eliminate unwanted pregnancies. I just don’t believe that people are going to stop having sex. Most people, anyway.

Thank you again for sharing your facts and views on this subject.
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Dear Delasalleman, Catholics who understand and accept the teachings of the Church may not agree with the opinion of the Church regarding such things as War, the Death Penalty and other such issues. That is acceptable for a Catholic to question, as these are matters of Prudential Judgement. If you don’t understand what that means, then begin reading about your religion. I had to,in order to understand some of the current issues of today’s societies.

The Church also has stated there are issues which concern us today in which we are given no option in forming our own opinion as to their evil. These are called Intrinsic Evils, for which there is never, never a reason for their support, nor a reason for their being committed. These are never good in any way. Among these Intrinsic Evils are abortion, euthanasia, cloning, embryonic stem cell research, and homosexual marriage. In these matters we follow the teachings of the Church.

In order to avoid confusion one must believe there are Absolute Truths, that are the foundation of morality, as well as in the existence of Intrinsic Evil. If one has been seduced by the relativism that has invaded all societies, then one will have difficulty differentiating Absolute Truth from Relativism.

For instance, Pilate was guilty of Christ’s sentence of death, was he not? He professed not to know what truth is, but his was still the guilt of the sentence wasn’t it? No one can excuse oneself from the Truth. It just IS.
 
patriciamn09 said:
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The focus should be on the ND president, FR. Jenkins,( I think that’s his name) who approved inviting Obama. He’s a catholic priest. The motives behind the invitation are questionable. Why? Who else is involved in approving the invitation? The pro-life students have an opportunity here to protest and ask for answers as to why a catholic university is involved in anti catholic activities.
Obama is not catholic. His cravings for attention and adoration isn’t the issue here. Psychoanalysts need to intervene there.
Folding their hands in their laps while Obama accepts applause from his supporters isn’t much of a protest. Obama’s perception of it ( I doubt he"ll even notice it ), isn’t relavent.
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Why does the RCC tolerate apostacy like this? Is this how Christ intended His church to look like?
 
Chris_LaRock said:
Why does the RCC tolerate apostacy like this? Is this how Christ intended His church to look like?
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Chris, a most appropriate question, but one better asked of Christ. All I need is the understanding that Christ allows this evil, but certainly doesn’t desire it. My relief valve on all this is to meditate on Judas -a hand-picked apostle by Christ Himself. Look at the good this man’s evil doing brought to the world - redemption.

God had different ways than man in accomplishing His goal - just keep looking for the truth and you’ll find that in His Church - corrupted as it seems at times.
 
Don_L said:
Chris, a most appropriate question, but one better asked of Christ. All I need is the understanding that Christ allows this evil, but certainly doesn’t desire it. My relief valve on all this is to meditate on Judas -a hand-picked apostle by Christ Himself. Look at the good this man’s evil doing brought to the world - redemption.

God had different ways than man in accomplishing His goal - just keep looking for the truth and you’ll find that in His Church - corrupted as it seems at times.
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That’s all true, but the Church that claims to be the “One True” Church shouldn’t be patting evil on the back or having fellowship with wicked men.

When Jesus judges the world, He will begin with His Church. That’s all I know.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
That’s all true, but the Church that claims to be the “One True” Church shouldn’t be patting evil on the back or having fellowship with wicked men.

When Jesus judges the world, He will begin with His Church. That’s all I know.
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We do know He will begin with* people *when He judges. I certainly agree with your comment about “patting evil” etc. but I’d suggest that it is only some men (like Judas) who are within His Holy Church. Careful you don’t miss all that wonderful Swiss cheese buy focusing too much on the holes.
 
Don_L said:
We do know He will begin with* people *when He judges. I certainly agree with your comment about “patting evil” etc. but I’d suggest that it is only some men (like Judas) who are within His Holy Church. Careful you don’t miss all that wonderful Swiss cheese buy focusing too much on the holes.
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But Judas served a purpose in God’s plan for the salvation of mankind in his facilitating the blood sacrifice of the Messiah. What purpose does it serve when a Catholic Priest invites a pro-abort to give a speech at his university? I think excommunications are in order. Beginning with “Catholic” pro-abort politicians. Is it too much to ask that the Church to enforce it’s own teachings among their own people?
 
Why would Obama even want to receive an Honorary Law degree? He has had no intention of practicing law since 2002 when he did not renew his law license. “Rumor” has it that he would not have qualified for the license. I don’t know that for fact.
Does Notre Dame or any other university with a Law School give away honorary law degrees to people who wouldn’t even qualify to practice law or could anybody, even a bum on the street receive an honorary degree?
 
onetruechurch said:
Does Notre Dame or any other university with a Law School give away honorary law degrees to people who wouldn’t even qualify to practice law or could anybody, even a bum on the street receive an honorary degree?
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:hey_bud:

Strange to think that this little smoking guy right here might qualify for an honorary law degree …

… (Sorry, couldn’t resist. Please return to your normal more serious conversation.)
 
onetruechurch said:
Why would Obama even want to receive an Honorary Law degree? He has had no intention of practicing law since 2002 when he did not renew his law license. “Rumor” has it that he would not have qualified for the license. I don’t know that for fact.
Does Notre Dame or any other university with a Law School give away honorary law degrees to people who wouldn’t even qualify to practice law or could anybody, even a bum on the street receive an honorary degree?
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He is not receiving an honorary law degree, he has a law degree. He is receiving an honorary doctorate in law - like a PhD of law. He may not be keeping up his bar license since he entered public service (most people don’t), but he could reactivate and begin practicing law whenever he wants.
 
TMC said:
He is not receiving an honorary law degree, he has a law degree. He is receiving an honorary doctorate in law - like a PhD of law. He may not be keeping up his bar license since he entered public service (most people don’t), but he could reactivate and begin practicing law whenever he wants.
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A PhD of law is even more impressive. Could anyone qualify for that honorary doctorate? Are you positive it is easy to reactivate a law license? It is not that easy for other professions. Once a license is dropped there must be investigations to find out why it was dropped. Also, there may be new requirements needed since the license was dropped. I don’t think Obama would welcome any investigating. They may go back to his college days and ask why he was placed in a room with a foreign student. Back in those days foreign students were placed together. He was also able to travel to Pakistan during the days when Americans were not allowed to visit there without special visas. They might also check up on all his many traffic tickets that he never took care of. I don’t think it would be easy to re-activate.
 
Just be glad that ND isn’t giving BO an honorary canon law degree.:rolleyes:
 
I heard that Obama has insisted that while he is at Notre Dame all holy images have to be covered. Is this true or am I getting some bad information?
 
Rachel84 said:
I heard that Obama has insisted that while he is at Notre Dame all holy images have to be covered. Is this true or am I getting some bad information?
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I HOPE it is bad information. Can you imagine?
 
elts1956 said:
I HOPE it is bad information. Can you imagine?
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I’m not certain that such a request would end up as being bad. This would really force the issue. Let them choose, if they are really with Him, or against Him.

Maybe, it’s time to start kicking the dust out of our sandals and let the dissendents wallow in their choices. It was, after all, God’s instructions to the Apostles.
 
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