Obama- urges court, Gay Marriage ban

[Kdruesedow]

Equal protection, respect and dignity for delphinic zoological marriages…NOW!!!

Any other sexual behaviors we should make a protected class, while we’re at it? BDSM? Foot fetishes?

Ah yes yes, but there are reasons for forbidding these other types of marriage…

First cousins and other blood relatives-possibility for mutations in the genes if they reproduce

People and animals- animals cannot consent to the union or any sexual acts that might come about afterwards

Multiple people- this one is probably next after gay marriage, simply because people are free and my religion should not be pressed on anyone else simply because my holy book says their way of life is immoral.

In the marriage of a homosexual couple, each party can consent, and there is no chance for genetic mutations because the two cannot reproduce.

So you have effectively compared apples to oranges in your argument above, these other types of marriage are against the law for logical reasons, not just because my religion disagrees with them.

 

[Dawnia]

And there is no reason that should continue to happen! Unless you are happy just sticking to the status quo and watching your brothers and sisters be denied the rights they deserve

Good luck with that. I live in the real world and know that complete equality under the law is a pipe dream.

If you want equality…look to God, because that is the only place you’ll find it.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Ah yes yes, but there are reasons for forbidding these other types of marriage…

First cousins and other blood relatives-possibility for mutations in the genes if they reproduce

People and animals- animals cannot consent to the union or any sexual acts that might come about afterwards

Multiple people- this one is probably next after gay marriage, simply because people are free and my religion should not be pressed on anyone else simply because my holy book says their way of life is immoral.

In the marriage of a homosexual couple, each party can consent, and there is no chance for genetic mutations because the two cannot reproduce.

So you have effectively compared apples to oranges in your argument above, these other types of marriage are against the law for logical reasons, not just because my religion disagrees with them.

Why is genetic mutation a reason to ban marriage between relatives? Ever hear of a condom? Sterilization?

 

[Kdruesedow]

Good luck with that. I live in the real world and know that complete equality under the law is a pipe dream.

If you want equality…look to God, because that is the only place you’ll find it.

Thank you for wishing me luck!
Just because something seems unattainable does not make it so. And if our God sees all people as equal, then why can’t you?

 

[Kdruesedow]

Here’s the question that I have yet to see answered in the many threads regarding same-sex “marriage”:

Can those advocating for same-sex “marriage” provide single example of a civilization anywhere in the world from the dawn of history to AD2000 that accepted same-sex “marriage” as equal to marriage? If same-sex “marriage” is such a wonderful thing with so many benefits, it follows that it would have been adopted by someone at some point in history. Just show us one example behind which the banners of same-sex “marriage” supporters could rally.

What in the world? … there are civilizations that allowed people to live and let live, I’, not sure why finding a historical society that acknowledged same sex marriage would make the argument of supporters any more or less valid…that’s like saying that since divorce has been an institution of so many cultures it should be a “banner behind which” divorce supporters should rally…

 

[josh987654321]

Since you’ve said this before, I’ll go ahead and say this again as well:
Ah yes yes, but there are reasons for forbidding these other types of marriage…

First cousins and other blood relatives-possibility for mutations in the genes if they reproduce

People and animals- animals cannot consent to the union or any sexual acts that might come about afterwards

Ah yes yes, but there are reasons for forbidding same sex marriage’s Kdruesedow.

The very nature of homosexuality means using your organs in a manner which they are not designed to be used for.

This is the elephant in the room no one seems to be talking about, why are you viewing homosexuality with rose coloured glasses on? why would anyone be encouraging that kind of immoral and disordered behaviour?

You think you are doing the right thing by encouraging same sex marriage, but really you are encouraging homosexuals to reach for an equality that does not exsist, to reach for a goal that they cannot achieve, not because of human opposition, but from the human anatomy of a man and a women and nature itself, you cannot win, no matter what you call a plant it will never smell like a rose, unless it’s a rose, no matter what you call a homosexual union it will never be a marriage unless it’s a man and a women, you want to believe a lie to make homosexuals feel better and now you are expecting everyone else to play along with the lie, homosexuals need the truth, what your trying to do to them is cruel, your encouraging them to reach for something that they can never achieve, no matter how much homosexuals want to believe that lie, they need the truth.

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Kdruesedow]

I can only repeat a claim others have found inflammatory, Obama will cause more harm to America than Osama ever dreamed of.

Aaaaaand here comes the hateful, unreasonable fear-mongering. Always a great way to keep a thread civil, respectful, and reasonable.

 

[Kdruesedow]

By the way I found a link on here

The Threat Against
Marriage Is Real!
Click here to get this free booklet!

and I found a free copy of the small booklet online as pdf “Why homosexual Unions Are Not Marriages”

It’s at catholic.com/sites/default/files/why_homosexual_unions_are_not_marriages.pdf

Anyway EmporerNapolean, I think it explains homosexuality the best, it’s a very short booklet, please read it, it’s much easier than looking at all kinds of statistic information that will encourage a discussion that goes around in circles.

Also can anyone point me to Catholic Answer booklets like this one, in which is about Euthanasia, Abortion or Suicide?

Thank you.
Josh

“Please read it, it is much easier than looking at all kinds of empirical, well researched statistic information that has a basis in science and might actually be more logical.” (Fixed that for you)

 

[Kdruesedow]

Ah yes yes, but there are reasons for forbidding same sex marriage’s Kdruesedow.

The very nature of homosexuality means using your organs in a manner which they are not designed to be used for.

This is the elephant in the room no one seems to be talking about, why are you viewing homosexuality with rose coloured glasses on? why would anyone be encouraging that kind of immoral and disordered behaviour?

You think you are doing the right thing by encouraging same sex marriage, but really you are encouraging homosexuals to reach for an equality that does not exsist, to reach for a goal that they cannot achieve, not because of human opposition, but from the human anatomy of a man and a women and nature itself, you cannot win, no matter what you call a plant it will never smell like a rose, unless it’s a rose, no matter what you call a homosexual union it will never be a marriage unless it’s a man and a women, you want to believe a lie to make homosexuals feel better and now you are expecting everyone else to play along with the lie, homosexuals need the truth, what your trying to do to them is cruel, your encouraging them to reach for something that they can never achieve, no matter how much homosexuals want to believe that lie, they need the truth.

Thank you for reading
Josh

I am not Catholic, therefore I do not agree that marriage is all about procreation. I believe it is about love and mutual respect, both of which can be found in a healthy homosexual relationship. And on to anatomy, you need not concern yourself with the ability of homosexual couples to have sexual relations because they just don’t have the “right parts”, we have already figured this out for ourselves! And we are almost there…we WILL achieve this. As to what is immoral and disordered behavior, I think we all have our opinions on that, and since this is about the legality of same sex marriage, and not about the morality of it, it seems that point is moot. It seems that we have already found the truth for ourselves, but those who disagree for religious reasons are intent on forcing THEIR truth on us.

 

[fix]

I am not Catholic, therefore I do not agree that marriage is all about procreation. I believe it is about love and mutual respect, both of which can be found in a healthy homosexual relationship. And on to anatomy, you need not concern yourself with the ability of homosexual couples to have sexual relations because they just don’t have the “right parts”, we have already figured this out for ourselves! And we are almost there…we WILL achieve this. As to what is immoral and disordered behavior, I think we all have our opinions on that, and since this is about the legality of same sex marriage, and not about the morality of it, it seems that point is moot. It seems that we have already found the truth for ourselves, but those who disagree for religious reasons are intent on forcing THEIR truth on us.

Children have rights.

 

[Dawnia]

Thank you for wishing me luck!
Just because something seems unattainable does not make it so. And if our God sees all people as equal, then why can’t you?

Ever heard that saying about making assumptions?

 

[josh987654321]

I am not Catholic, therefore I do not agree that marriage is all about procreation. I believe it is about love and mutual respect, both of which can be found in a healthy homosexual relationship. And on to anatomy, you need not concern yourself with the ability of homosexual couples to have sexual relations because they just don’t have the “right parts”, we have already figured this out for ourselves! And we are almost there…we WILL achieve this. As to what is immoral and disordered behavior, I think we all have our opinions on that, and since this is about the legality of same sex marriage, and not about the morality of it, it seems that point is moot. It seems that we have already found the truth for ourselves, but those who disagree for religious reasons are intent on forcing THEIR truth on us.

You are right, they don’t have the “right parts” that’s why it’s disordered and immoral, how can your interpretation of what’s disordered not include this? what is disordered or immoral according to you?

Please read this quote I have Kdruesedow and tell me what you think.

Homosexuals who act on their disordered desires in trying to mimic a hetrosexual union will find themselves in a cheap imitation, because the human anatomy and nature itself opposes what they are doing, than they will act in desperate ways because the truth of their disordered desires will no longer be able to be supressed, than they will have deep seated problems (if not already) because they have no idea how to deal with their disordered desires, and people who im sure were trying to help, have been lieing to them by giving them a placebo in encouraging them to go down that destructive path of being a slave to their own disordered and immoral desires, which will ultimatly leave them in despair.

It’s all because they don’t deal with the truth, once they share the truth than they can help homosexuals deal with the truth in a healthy and constructive manner, instead of shoving the truth deep down inside for everyone until they can no longer supress it, the truth that homosexual desires are infact and obviously disordered and immoral and that the only way is to oppose our immoral and disoredered desires, not encourage them to flourish because ultimately they will destroy us, leaving us in despair, not everything we desire is good for us, just because we desire it doesn’t make it right.

We need to help homosexuals, in which I assume gay-activists are also trying to do, so all we need to do is show the ones who are encouraging acts of homosexuality that they are making matters worse for homosexuals, they are telling them what homosexuals want to hear and not the truth that they need to hear, homosexuals of course don’t want to deal with the truth just like the rest of us in many aspects of our lives, so instead they choose to believe a lie and continue down a destructive path.

People are ecouraging homosexuals to live a cheap imitation of a hetrosexual union which will make homosexuals worse off, not better, this is why gay-activists are just being cruel towards homosexuals, so if we really want to help them, than lets help them by giving them the truth of homosexuality and ways to deal with it in a healthy and constructive manner.

So we need to help homosexuals control their desires that are disordered and be content and happy with who they are, knowing that many suffer from immoral and disordered desires that they must also try to control, only in this way will it make them better off, and lighten their crosses.

Now hopefully we can show all of those who support the acts of homosexuality like SSM, that they have told homosexuals a lie and now they are forcing everyone else to “play along” with the lie in order to make homosexuals feel better, but homosexuals are not stupid, they can see through the lies no matter how much they want to believe them, so we should be giving them the truth and helping them deal with their disordered desires, anything else is just cruel.

We need to rule our desires, not let our desires rule us.

And ‘fix’ is right, the Children brought into these homosexual unions will ultimatly be the ones to suffer, please consider these **facts: **

A) The very nature of homosexuality means using your organs in a manner in which they are not designed to be used for.

B) The greatest role models or influences in a Child’s life are their parents, not what they say, but what they do.

Now you put A) and B) together and than say that this would not have a detrimental effect on a poor child’s development.

I don’t know how people can have a view of homosexuality as a normal or natural act to be encouraged.

I do not mean to offend you Kdrusedow in any of this, I just want you to see the truth of homosexuality as it is, not just because we say so.

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Elizabeth502]

a healthy homosexual relationship.

oxymoron.

 

[josh987654321]

Thank you for wishing me luck!
Just because something seems unattainable does not make it so. And if our God sees all people as equal, then why can’t you?

But it is unattainable, a homosexual union will never stand to recieve the things a hetrosexual one can, like having a child that’s part of the two, that’s just fact.

Not even God would see the human anatomy of a male and a female as equal, why did he even bother making a man and a women, why not just all men or all women? lol.

The very nature of homosexuality means using your organs in a manner that they are not designed to be used for, so please tell me, how can any supreme being be in support of this, the miss use of their creation? because I don’t see it.

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Kdruesedow]

Children have rights.

They most certainly do, could you be a little more explicit about your point?

 

[Kdruesedow]

But it is unattainable, a homosexual union will never stand to recieve the things a hetrosexual one can, like having a child that’s part of the two, that’s just fact.

Not even God would see the human anatomy of a male and a female as equal, why did he even bother making a man and a women, why not just all men or all women? lol.

The very nature of homosexuality means using your organs in a manner that they are not designed to be used for, so please tell me, how can any supreme being be in support of this, the miss use of their creation? because I don’t see it.

Thank you for reading
Josh

Josh,
Again, this has nothing to do with a supreme being, this is about the legality of the marriage of homosexuals, not the morality of such a union. “lol” he obviously made beings that could reproduce to keep the race going, “lol”
Obviously men and men and women and women cannot procreate, so, instead, he made people of all types and genders, who are attracted to all types and genders, thus making it possible for the human race to go on. Have you ever thought that perhaps the purpose of homosexual couples is to adopt and care for the children who are unwanted by their heterosexual parents? We have a great and powerful God who MADE ALL HIS CREATURES with a purpose, so why are you so quick to point out a ‘mistake’ in his creation of homosexuals.
Also, following your logic, is marrying a woman who is unable to have children because of a problem with their reproductive system is equivalent to being a homosexual? The man and his barren woman cannot have children…and you have cited the inability to use their respective “parts” to procreate as the main reason that homosexuals are unnatural…

 

[josh987654321]

Josh,
Again, this has nothing to do with a supreme being, this is about the legality of the marriage of homosexuals, not the morality of such a union. “lol” he obviously made beings that could reproduce to keep the race going, “lol”
Obviously men and men and women and women cannot procreate, so, instead, he made people of all types and genders, who are attracted to all types and genders, thus making it possible for the human race to go on. Have you ever thought that perhaps the purpose of homosexual couples is to adopt and care for the children who are unwanted by their heterosexual parents? We have a great and powerful God who MADE ALL HIS CREATURES with a purpose, so why are you so quick to point out a ‘mistake’ in his creation of homosexuals.
Also, following your logic, is marrying a woman who is unable to have children because of a problem with their reproductive system is equivalent to being a homosexual? The man and his barren woman cannot have children…and you have cited the inability to use their respective “parts” to procreate as the main reason that homosexuals are unnatural…

Im not talking about a ‘mistake’ in the creation of homosexuals, homosexuals are no ‘mistake’, they simply have different disordered and immoral desires that they must control along with hetrosexuals who also suffer from disordered and immoral desires.

Do you really think that everything we desire is good for us? Because we desire something does that make it right? Do you act on your every desire? Do you think it’s wrong to try and control our desires? Why don’t we all just recklessly give into every desire we have, throw our hands up in the air and say “Well if God didn’t want us to do this he wouldn’t have given us the desire to do it.”

What are you thinking Kdruesedow?

Homosexuals simply suffer from different disordered and immoral desires than hetrosexuals do, in which we all must try to obtain the strength to control.

When ’ fix ’ say’s “Children have rights” his point is this -

Please consider these facts:

A) The very nature of homosexuality means using your organs in a manner in which they are not designed to be used for.

B) The greatest role models or influences in a Child’s life are their parents, not what they say, but what they do.

Now you put A) and B) together and than say that this would not have a detrimental effect on a poor child’s development.

How on earth do you explain the “Birds and the Bee’s” Kdruesedow?, you know if ‘Homosexuality’ has equality with 'Hetrosexuality" that it must be taught in schools the same as ‘Hetrosexuality’ is, how are people going to teach that as an acceptable normal?

Example:…“That’s how it’s supposed to be done, however if you desire anything else than that’s a fine and normal thing to do too also, I mean kids, just do what ever feels good ya know.” lol are you serious?

You think they should teach our kids in detail the nature of ‘homosexuality’ as they do ‘hetrosexuality’?

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Kdruesedow]

Im not talking about a ‘mistake’ in the creation of homosexuals, homosexuals are no ‘mistake’, they simply have different disordered and immoral desires that they must control along with hetrosexuals who also suffer from disordered and immoral desires.

Do you really think that everything we desire is good for us? Because we desire something does that make it right? Do you act on your every desire? Do you think it’s wrong to try and control our desires? Why don’t we all just recklessly give into every desire we have, throw our hands up in the air and say “Well if God didn’t want us to do this he wouldn’t have given us the desire to do it.”

What are you thinking Kdruesedow?

Homosexuals simply suffer from different disordered and immoral desires than hetrosexuals do, in which we all must try to obtain the strength to control.

When ’ fix ’ say’s “Children have rights” his point is this -

Please consider these facts:

A) The very nature of homosexuality means using your organs in a manner in which they are not designed to be used for.

B) The greatest role models or influences in a Child’s life are their parents, not what they say, but what they do.

Now you put A) and B) together and than say that this would not have a detrimental effect on a poor child’s development.

How on earth do you explain the “Birds and the Bee’s” Kdruesedow?, you know if ‘Homosexuality’ has equality with 'Hetrosexuality" that it must be taught in schools the same as ‘Hetrosexuality’ is, how are people going to teach that as an acceptable normal?

Example:…“That’s how it’s supposed to be done, however if you desire anything else than that’s a fine and normal thing to do too also, I mean kids, just do what ever feels good ya know.” lol are you serious?

You think they should teach our kids in detail the nature of ‘homosexuality’ as they do ‘hetrosexuality’?

Thank you for reading
Josh

First of all, for your future reference, it is incredibly difficult to take someone seriously when they say “LOL”. I just imagine a 13 year old girl texting me this reply.
Now, on to the rest. It is glaringly obvious that you have made your mind up about how you feel about homosexuality, as have I. I don’t think you and I are going to get anywhere arguing on this thread, especially when we are both off subject, because, for the THIRD time, this is not a theological issue, but a legal one.
Also, I do act on my every desire, save for the ones that stand to harm myself or others, my homosexual desires, it turns out, do NOT.
As for my children, I will teach them to be respectful and tolerant of people from all walks of life and ways of living, because any other mode of parenting would be a disservice to them

 

[josh987654321]

Also Kdruesedow, it’s not just about procreation, like you said, it’s about “what parts fit where”

No matter what you call a homosexual union it will never be the same as a hetrosexual union.

Changing the defintion of marriage doesn’t change the reality of a homosexual union compared to a hetrosexual one.

The human anatomy of a man and a women are not equal to one another, why teach that gender doesn’t matter? of course gender matters, male and female are physically very different to one another.

No matter what name you give a plant it will never smell like a rose, only a rose smells like a rose, why do you want to give two different plants the same name?

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[josh987654321]

Aaaaaand here comes the hateful, unreasonable fear-mongering. Always a great way to keep a thread civil, respectful, and reasonable.

First of all, for your future reference, it is incredibly difficult to take someone seriously when they say “LOL”. I just imagine a 13 year old girl texting me this reply.

LOL, can you see the hypocrisy here?