Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

[Al_Moritz]

Right…you only said we are “unthinking” and misusing the Church teaching on subsidiarity. I’m glad you are squeaky clean in your Christian charity.

I am not at all “squeaky clean”, far from that. Yet it is clear that the insinuation here is that those who vote for Obama are necessarily (grave) sinners by doing this. And I and others object to that.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

I am not at all “squeaky clean”, far from that. Yet it is clear that the insinuation here is that those who vote for Obama are necessarily (grave) sinners by doing this. And I and others object to that.

God will judge your vote for Obama, should that be your choice, not me. I am quite comfortable with God’s view of my pending Romney vote.

 

[rlg94086]

I am not at all “squeaky clean”, far from that. Yet it is clear that the insinuation here is that those who vote for Obama are necessarily (grave) sinners by doing this. And I and others object to that.

Understood. Well, I, for one, deeply appreciate that you only thinking I’m stupid and manipulating Church teaching as a cheap political stunt, as opposed to a sinner.

I have studied Church teaching…thinking the whole time…; studied the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church, where I learned what subsidiarity and solidarity are, as well as the role of government versus non-government entities; and do my best to help inform the consciences of my liberal Catholic friends who obviosly need a whole lot of help in that area. That said, I haven’t judged their hearts.

 

[Carlan]

Understood. Well, I, for one, deeply appreciate that you only thinking I’m stupid and manipulating Church teaching as a cheap political stunt, as opposed to a sinner.

I have studied Church teaching…thinking the whole time…; studied the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church, where I learned what subsidiarity and solidarity are, as well as the role of government versus non-government entities; and do my best to help inform the consciences of my liberal Catholic friends who obviosly need a whole lot of help in that area. That said, I haven’t judged their hearts.

I don’t know about that, nothing like trying to give yourself a great pat on the back ,Robbie!

I’m just saying,some stuff is hard no matter if you are a Dem or a GOP’er.
Here is something all of us can ponder no matter how educated some of us think we are.

When in our weakness we finally admit we can do this very hard thing
only completely in, with and through Christ, then we can do all things.
We provide the weakness, he provides the strength, ***provided we let him. ***
Peace, Carlan

 

[SuperLuigi]

I agreed your question held no weight. Because there will always be at least one poor person on earth and thus poverty will never be totally eliminated. Therefore I would not support the killing of millions of Jewish American adults as the alternative. I also agreed abortion will never be totally eliminated on this earth regardless of who the POTUS is, regardless of Roe, regardless of what one state would then do vs another. Al actually explained it better to you than I though. Peace.

Besides legalize the deaths of millions of innocents, all Roe v Wade did was make it illegal for the states for make abortion illegal.

 

[rlg94086]

I don’t know about that, nothing like trying to give yourself a great pat on the back ,Robbie!

I’m just saying,some stuff is hard no matter if you are a Dem or a GOP’er.
Here is something all of us can ponder no matter how educated some of us think we are.

I’m not trying to give myself a “great pat on the back.” You are the absolute queen of condescension.

I do understand how hard it is for Democrats to try to figure out how to use Church teaching to support their pro-choice, pro-“gay marriage,” anti-religious candidates though. It is a very hard thing…

 

[Carlan]

I’m not trying to give myself a “great pat on the back.” You are the absolute queen of condescension.

I do understand how hard it is for Democrats to try to figure out how to use Church teaching to support their pro-choice, pro-“gay marriage,” anti-religious candidates though. It is a very hard thing…

Robert, you are have no right to judge me or anyone .
Besides you know I have declared more than once on these threads that I am a Pro-life Democrat, I do not believe that marriage between two men or between two women is God’,s will. It is disordered behavior. And the President of the USA is a Christian and a sinner, much the same as you and I are and God is his judge, your judge and my judge.
I do not vote for our President because of his position on pro-choice, or his position on gay marriage I abhor both. He has proven to me over the past 4yrs that he is a man who’s life and concern is for the common good of his country men and women be they Christian, Jews Muslims atheists or any other practicing belief. And that is a very good thing.
And you may put that in your pipe and smoke it for all I care as Queen of condescension or what ever you like to comsider calling me. So there!
However, I still wish you God’s peace, Carlan

 

[rlg94086]

Robert, you are have no right to judge me or anyone .
Besides you know I have declared more than once on these threads that I am a Pro-life Democrat, I do not believe that marriage between two men or between two women is God’,s will. It is disordered behavior. And the President of the USA is a Christian and a sinner, much the same as you and I are and God is his judge, your judge and my judge.
I do not vote for our President because of his position on pro-choice, or his position on gay marriage I abhor both. He has proven to me over the past 4yrs that he is a man who’s life and concern is for the common good of his country men and women be they Christian, Jews Muslims atheists or any other practicing belief. And that is a very good thing.
And you may put that in your pipe and smoke it for all I care as Queen of condescension or what ever you like to comsider calling me. So there!
However, I still wish you God’s peace, Carlan

Thank you for the belly laugh. You made my day.

 

[Pitcharan]

There… fixed it for ya. **Bold my emphasis. **

I look forward to seeing your reaction after the election results. Can you fix the results this way after they are out???

 

[Jeanne_S]

Robert, you are have no right to judge me or anyone .
Besides you know I have declared more than once on these threads that I am a Pro-life Democrat, I do not believe that marriage between two men or between two women is God’,s will. It is disordered behavior. And the President of the USA is a Christian and a sinner, much the same as you and I are and God is his judge, your judge and my judge.
I do not vote for our President because of his position on pro-choice, or his position on gay marriage I abhor both. He has proven to me over the past 4yrs that he is a man who’s life and concern is for the common good of his country men and women be they Christian, Jews Muslims atheists or any other practicing belief. And that is a very good thing.
And you may put that in your pipe and smoke it for all I care as Queen of condescension or what ever you like to comsider calling me. So there!
However, I still wish you God’s peace, Carlan

Carlan,I know we don’t agree on our choice for president.That aside,I do take exception to something you stated.you believe Obama has his concern for the common good of all,regardless of religious affiliation.How do you reconcile the fact that he has imposed his pro death agenda onto Catholics through the health care mandate:

 

[SVP]

How can any Catholic vote for a party that endorses abortion as a “right” in its platform? The choice is quite clear regarding any vote for Obama/Biden from a Catholic perspective.

Hope?
Change?
Forward?
intangibles that can mean anything.

Pro-abortion platform? Now that speaks volumes!

 

[He_Man]

Carlan,I know we don’t agree on our choice for president.That aside,I do take exception to something you stated.you believe Obama has his concern for the common good of all,regardless of religious affiliation.How do you reconcile the fact that he has imposed his pro death agenda onto Catholics through the health care mandate:

Not to mention, what demographic is doing better than they were four years ago? Every economic measurable shows they are all doing worse. I have yet to see anyone tell me how this is wrong?

 

[Pitcharan]

… He has proven to me over the past 4yrs that he is a man who’s life and concern is for the common good of his country men and women be they Christian, Jews Muslims atheists or any other practising belief. And that is a very good thing.
…, Carlan

 

[Carlan]

Thank you for the belly laugh. You made my day.

By the way, just want to say.

A homosexual can remain chaste or sin like any heterosexual.
If either avoids sin, or sin if sin is commited and truly repented of with sorrow and amendment God reconciles…
It is good for all of us,for none of us living are without sin of any kind,
God is our Judge. Now you must surely agree with me.
There is always hope for the sinner, Robert even for the President of the United States and the man trying out for his job, no Saint is he either!
Peace, Carlan

 

[migueltojose]

There have been nine national elections since Roe v Wade. Five republican and four democrat. Not much has happened on the “abortion” front. Even Chief Justice Roberts said it was “settled law”. Was he serious or saying it with a “wink and a nod”? (I’d like to think there’s hope.) Not to mention abortion was around for thousands of years before Roe v Wade and would be around without it. Obviously what we need is to create a world where there are no unwanted pregnancies. Address the root causes.

I guess the point is that political realism can be taken into consideration. While the Church points out problematic issues that suggest a leaning one way or the other. The Church does not tell us how to vote. I will vote for Romney because of the life issues and the hope of affecting the Supreme Court appointees and for other reasons relating to fiscal responsibility, and his vice president selection, whom I like.

On the other hand, I harbor no false allusions regarding our political system. It rewards compromise (selling out) in order to attain the financial backing to get elected. It does not reward tackling difficult issues (cut spending or increase revenue, abortion). Not until the pain of doing nothing exceeds the pain of doing something will anything of consequence get done. The risk is too high, the reward to little. It’s become a profession, a career, not a patriotic responsibility and duty.

We need a revolution of the heart, mind and soul, a mass conversion. Without that I’m afraid our future is not very bright for the foreseeable future.

Educate, evangelize and enlighten.

Tune In to the Holy Spirit, Turn On to Jesus Christ, Drop Out of the culture of death…

 

[Carlan]

Thank you, Pitcharan!
Peace, Carlan

 

[rlg94086]

By the way, just want to say.

A homosexual can remain chaste or sin like any heterosexual.
If either avoids sin, or sin if sin is commited and truly repented of with sorrow and amendment God reconciles…

Where in the world is that coming from? Of course, it is true, but I don’t see how it relates to anything in this thread…

Are you trying to justify voting for the candidate that supports killing innocent human beings and “gay marriage?”

 

[He_Man]

There have been nine national elections since Roe v Wade. Five republican and four democrat. Not much has happened on the “abortion” front. Even Chief Justice Roberts said it was “settled law”. Was he serious or saying it with a “wink and a nod”? (I’d like to think there’s hope.) Not to mention abortion was around for thousands of years before Roe v Wade and would be around without it. Obviously what we need is to create a world where there are no unwanted pregnancies. Address the root causes.

I guess the point is that political realism can be taken into consideration. While the Church points out problematic issues that suggest a leaning one way or the other. The Church does not tell us how to vote. I will vote for Romney because of the life issues and the hope of affecting the Supreme Court appointees and for other reasons relating to fiscal responsibility, and his vice president selection, whom I like.

On the other hand, I harbor no false allusions regarding our political system. It rewards compromise (selling out) in order to attain the financial backing to get elected. It does not reward tackling difficult issues (cut spending or increase revenue, abortion). Not until the pain of doing nothing exceeds the pain of doing something will anything of consequence get done. The risk is too high, the reward to little. It’s become a profession, a career, not a patriotic responsibility and duty.

We need a revolution of the heart, mind and soul, a mass conversion. Without that I’m afraid our future is not very bright for the foreseeable future.

Educate, evangelize and enlighten.

Tune In to the Holy Spirit, Turn On to Jesus Christ, Drop Out of the culture of death…

And the poor have been with us since George Washington. And realistically, they will always be here too. We CAn eliminate abortion. We will never eliminate poverty.

And not only that, the poor are doing worse now than 4 years ago. If the economy collapses under our growing debt, do you think it won;t hurt the poor? If we do not fix that, all help for them is gone. There will be no food stamps, and the dollar will be worthless.

Why does Obama get a pass for not helping the poor, but Republicans get blamed for not eliminating RvW? Bush Jr took huge steps in reducing abortion access. Put two solidly pro-life justices on the court. One more, and the tide will turn. And if any of the liberal justices leave under Obama, that opportunity is gone for about 30 years.

This is a shameful wasted opportunity if we pass it up.

This argument could almost be worth having if Obama had actually done great thing with the economy. But it has gotten worse, and we have literally nothing to show for it but more debt that was thrown away. EVEN IF the economy had simply been dead flat for four years, we’ve spent trillions to accomplish nothing. There have been NO budgets passed, even when the Dems controlled both houses. The Presidents own budget didn’t get a simngle vote in the Senate. Every memebr of his own party voted against it.

So tell me again - what financial miracles is Obama doing for anyone - rich, poor, or just average Joes?

 

[Carlan]

There have been nine national elections since Roe v Wade. Five republican and four democrat. Not much has happened on the “abortion” front. Even Chief Justice Roberts said it was “settled law”. Was he serious or saying it with a “wink and a nod”? (I’d like to think there’s hope.) Not to mention abortion was around for thousands of years before Roe v Wade and would be around without it. Obviously what we need is to create a world where there are no unwanted pregnancies. Address the root causes.

I guess the point is that political realism can be taken into consideration. While the Church points out problematic issues that suggest a leaning one way or the other. The Church does not tell us how to vote. I will vote for Romney because of the life issues and the hope of affecting the Supreme Court appointees and for other reasons relating to fiscal responsibility, and his vice president selection, whom I like.

On the other hand, I harbor no false allusions regarding our political system. It rewards compromise (selling out) in order to attain the financial backing to get elected. It does not reward tackling difficult issues (cut spending or increase revenue, abortion). Not until the pain of doing nothing exceeds the pain of doing something will anything of consequence get done. The risk is too high, the reward to little. It’s become a profession, a career, not a patriotic responsibility and duty.

We need a revolution of the heart, mind and soul, a mass conversion. Without that I’m afraid our future is not very bright for the foreseeable future.

Hey, migueltojose, don’t give up hope, You must remember what Jesus told Peter in the Gospel of Matthew, " The gates of hell will not prevail against the Kingdom of God".
Too many here in these threads seem to have forgotten that Truth.
Welcome, and Peace, Carlan

 

[Jeanne_S]

So tell me again - what financial miracles is Obama doing for anyone - rich, poor, or just average Joes?

This is the 16trillion dollar question…