Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

[CatholicServant]

How many states have the death penalty?

Also, remember that the death penalty (at least for now) is a State issue rather than a Federal issue - meaning your argument against Republicans due to supporting the death penalty carries more water lower on the ticket than the Abortion issue does…If you want to use that excuse to vote for an abortion supporting Democrat for Governor or any other state office that is a completely different analysis than for the office of the Presidency. Abortion rights are a federal issue to which states can restrict. Hope that helps your analysis.

 

[CMatt25]

When I first started posting here, I was skipping the Presidential line, I was going to vote for local offices only. However, my time here and the research I’ve done on what has been posted here-plus a LOT of prayer and a LONG chat with my Confessor has convinced me to vote for Obama.

I know I’m in the minority here but that’s not high on my list of priorities in life.

Yeah a couple of yrs ago I myself was seriously considering 3rd party this year for President. No public option and another thing or two sort of discouraged me. So maybe the Greens I thought. And I did vote 3rd party in my state’s governor’s race last time. I think 3% of us did for various candidates and a Tea Party candidate got in during that one midterm wave by a percentage pt. I realize all of us might not have voted for the same major candidate anyway or what the breakdown would have been otherwise so not sure if it affected the race. But then being here, prayer and watching the Republicans debate this yr helped me to decide to vote for Obama too. Peace in your decision.

 

[interestedman]

I won’t. I have prayed for you, actually.

A person risks kicking themself out (that is what excommunication really is, after all) by voting for a candidate that is proven to support several intrinsic evils (abortion, gay so called marriage, forcing the Church to pay for abortions or be fined). It really is as simple as that.

I can’t stand it when someone says that they will pray for you when you disagree with them on an issue like this. It just seems so arrogant. It is basically saying “I know the truth and I pray that one day you will figure out that I am right.”

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I can’t stand it when someone says that they will pray for you when you disagree with them on an issue like this. It just seems so arrogant. It is basically saying “I know the truth and I pray that one day you will figure out that I am right.”

That’s it exactly! I am glad that I was clear.

The post wasn’t aimed at you. Have you considered taking up drinking? You need to seriously chill out.

 

[CMatt25]

I teach RCIA and I’ll be addressing this on Sunday. Ill be using the Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics which is actually put out by Catholic Answers. It states: “in many elections the are situations where all of the available candidates take morally unacceptable positions on one or more of the non-negotiable issues. Citizens must vote in the way that will most limit the harm that would be done by the available candidates.”

But according to this the “USCCB has discouraged use” of the “Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics”, “a 10-page booklet produced by Catholic Answers, a lay apostolate based in San Diego.”

catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=31706

 

[CMatt25]

I can’t stand it when someone says that they will pray for you when you disagree with them on an issue like this. It just seems so arrogant. It is basically saying “I know the truth and I pray that one day you will figure out that I am right.”

I understand what you’re saying but I think they do that because they do believe they know the truth. That’s their faith.

 

[Lapey]

I can’t stand it when someone says that they will pray for you when you disagree with them on an issue like this. It just seems so arrogant. It is basically saying “I know the truth and I pray that one day you will figure out that I am right.”

I too will pray for you to come to the truth. It is not my truth; it is God’s truth from His Church.

A vote for Obama is a vote to continue the policies that are in place, abortion, an agenda that will support gay unions, embryonic stem cell research, all of these considered intrinsic evils by the Church. To vote for Obama is to vote against the Church, to knowingly vote this way does bring moral culpability. To intentionally vote this way to continue these and other policies the Church teaches is wrong does bring serious moral implications.

These are not our teachings; they are the teachings of God in His Church. Choices are ours to make, remember there are consequences to our choices.

 

[CMatt25]

I get this stuff from friends on both sides. “How ever can you refuse to vote? That’s the same as a vote for Obama!!” And, “Not vote? That’s a vote for Romney!!”

To me, a vote for neither is just that - a vote for neither.

Unless your friends know if you were forced to vote between the 2 which you would vote for, how do they know?

 

[Lapey]

But according to this the “USCCB has discouraged use” of the “Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics”, “a 10-page booklet produced by Catholic Answers, a lay apostolate based in San Diego.”

catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=31706

That was 2004; this body of bishops is quite different. There is nothing in the guide which is contrary to Church teachings. It is a very good guide.

You like picking and choosing which Catholics you like to quote are listening to. It’s time to read the entire book, even though it is contrary to your personal beliefs.

 

[Lapey]

I understand what you’re saying but I think they do that because they do believe they know the truth. That’s their faith.

There is only one truth and He is Jesus Christ, everything else is RELATIVE.

If this is my faith, and the other perspective is yours, how many faiths are there? Is there more than one truth? Is there more than one Jesus?

 

[CMatt25]

That was 2004; this body of bishops is quite different. There is nothing in the guide which is contrary to Church teachings. It is a very good guide.

You like picking and choosing which Catholics you like to quote are listening to. It’s time to read the entire book, even though it is contrary to your personal beliefs.

That sounds like bishops don’t agree depending on the year.

 

[_Abyssinia]

But according to this the “USCCB has discouraged use” of the “Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics”, “a 10-page booklet produced by Catholic Answers, a lay apostolate based in San Diego.”

catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=31706

Pope Benedict has said the non negotiables are protection of life from conception to natural death; recognition and promotion of marriage between one woman and one man; protections for parents to educate their children

These are non negotiables the voter’s guide for serious Catholics highlight. With or with out it, non negotiables remain

 

[He_Man]

I can’t stand it when someone says that they will pray for you when you disagree with them on an issue like this. It just seems so arrogant. It is basically saying “I know the truth and I pray that one day you will figure out that I am right.”

I’ll pray for your frustration over being prayed for.

 

[CMatt25]

If this is my faith, and the other perspective is yours, how many faiths are there? Is there more than one truth? Is there more than one Jesus?

It’s not *if *it is your faith, it is your faith. How many faiths in this world? Many. No I believe there is one ultimate truth too. The difference between you and Lapey is I realize until in faith He comes again, we walk in faith not by sight. God bless you in yours. Peace.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I’ll pray for your frustration over being prayed for.

 

[He_Man]

That sounds like bishops don’t agree depending on the year.

Telling Catholics who they can vote for would change nothing, except maybe eliminate a few threads on CA.

Many Catholics disagree with and disobey the Church’s position on contraception.

Many Catholics support the the right to secure an abortion, despite knowing the Church’s clear prohibition.

Many Catholics know the Church’s belief on the holiness of marriage between a man and a woman, yet disagree and disobey on that issue.

And somehow you think another edict is going to get Catholics in line?

For any Catholics who pay attention, the church has been plenty clear on intrinsic evil, support of candidates, and Her teachings. Anyone choosing to argue over that may be able to convince themselves of message board posters, but they are really lying to themselves and God.

People are going to do what they want to do, and justify it because of their own pride and refusal to admit they are wrong.

 

[CMatt25]

Telling Catholics who they can vote for would change nothing, except maybe eliminate a few threads on CA.

Depends on one’s definition of “few”.

 

[He_Man]

It’s not *if *it is your faith, it is your faith. How many faiths in this world? Many. No I believe there is one ultimate truth too. The difference between you and Lapey is I realize until in faith He comes again, we walk in faith not by sight. God bless you in yours. Peace.

Does truth exist then? Or is it relative. Face it - in a binary, static system of truth, one of us is wrong. Culpability may be mitigated at times, but that does not change truth. I’m the one, you’re the zero. The same digit cannot occupy the same bit simultaneously.

No one truly believes truth is relative, because they (even you) adopt the position that “I am doing the right thing.” By definition, the notion that the truth you ascribe to could be relative is a logical fallacy with regards to your assuming the position you do.

 

[He_Man]

Depends on one’s definition of “few”.

95% We’ll always have Harry Potter.

 

[scipio337]

Telling Catholics who they can vote for would change nothing, except maybe eliminate a few threads on CA…

Not to mention, threaten 501c status. “Catholics for Choice” (lol) made a formal complaint to the IRS regarding Catholic Answers’ 2004 Voter’s Guide. Unfortunately for CFC, the Voter’s Guide matched up pretty well with the USCCB’s Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship.

USCCB condems CFC.

old.usccb.org/comm/archives/2000/00-123.shtml