Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

[Lapey]

I’m not sure if your church and the church of the poster you asked this of agree 100% on voting.

It’s quite simple, labor unions according to this poster are more important than the issue of abortion. The thought that I would place more importance on my personal financial state than I would the continuing of killing millions of babies is disturbing. We are a selfish lot.

 

[Lapey]

The other issues have no impact on me. I’ve never advocated abortion, euthenasia and I am already married and have been for years.

However since i’m still working, a persons track record on organized labor could have a negative impact on my employment future and as such its important to me…

Social Justice and the plight of labor was once a Catholic issue only, see all the writings of the past popes starting with Rerum Novarum issued in 1859 by Pope Leo XIII. But the meaning term social justice has been changed. Now social justice means government, or a strong labor union punishing the people who provide the jobs in the first place.

It matters not that you personally have not partaken or advocated, what will you do to stop it, not even a vote? A labor union is more important than a simple vote to gradually end this scourge on society?

 

[Lapey]

Except just going by what I’ve read I’m not certain “never acceptable” means Catholics can never ever vote for a candidate who supports abortion rights. As you probably know the introductory of your bishops’ citizenship guide clearly states they do not give a scorecard of issues nor direction on how to vote.

I’ve also seen it shown on the forum opposition to intrinsic evil by Catholics can not be used to show indifference to other issues. The Catholic bishops in their guide list many serious moral issues. And that a Catholic can not vote for a candidate who favors abortion rights if the voter’s intent for doing so is to support abortion. But can if they are not doing so to support abortion and they find other grave moral reasons which overshadow intrinsic evil.

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In regard to the death penalty I see in your church’s CCC 2267 that the certain circumstances are to be very rare indeed.

"Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”

I did not say a Catholic can never faithfully vote for a pro-abortion candidate, what I have said and will continue to say is there are certain issues that disqualify a candidate; abortion is one. If both candidates agree on these major issues then a Catholic has no choice. This election is not the case, there is a clear choice. President Obama has done everything in his power to keep and strengthen a woman’s legal right to choose death for her unborn child. Romney and Ryan have not and are running on a platform that says they will fight against this. People use the FC writing by the bishops to mean all kinds of things, what it does not mean is that it is okay to support abortion.

Many Catholics say many things, not all are on the side of truth. Just because I am not voting for Obama because of the abortion issue doesn’t make it right for me to vote for him. A voter in good conscience must look at the issues, in order of there importance and not the party.

It’s not about liberal or conservative, it is about truth. Seems this is where you and I always end up…hummm. I don’t align myself as completely conservative or liberal, I am completely Catholic. I am Catholic even when I disagree with a stance, like capital punishment and our insistence on backing current day mafia-like labor unions. However, as the CCC shows I must follow my conscience. This is a big responsibility for a person, how can I follow my conscience if it is indifferent to the teachings of the Church? This is the hard part, I must, I am obligated to properly form my conscience. The Church is not wrong, She teaches truth, the same truth for 2000 years. Truth does not change. I will research until I totally understand why She teaches something I do not believe, then I know why I vote the way I do and I will follow Her teachings, and preach it from the roof tops.

CCC 2267 reads rare, in America there are no circumstances that require us to utilize the DP. In America we should consider this a non-option; except maybe some unforeseen extremely rare case.

 

[epan]

I completely agree with you, CMatt, concerning your reasons for voting for Obama; but be prepared for the conservative onslaught. I would also add that I might have considered voting for a candidate such as Huntsman if he were running, whereas Romney is so fickle and non-specific in his economic and social views, it’s hard to know what exactly he would do if elected. Moreover, his foreign-policy ideas, or lack thereof, are even more frightening than his domestic proposals. Nonetheless, if Romney should win the election, I would wish him all the best as President for the sake of the country.

I agree with this assessment. There just isn’t anyone home with Romney, when it comes to his policy positions, not that Obama gets very specific about much either. Romney’s apparent ignorance in foreign affairs is stunning. Not as bad as Palin, I suppose that is a good thing. She could have been in the race.

It’s as if Romney doesn’t even think before he speaks. It is very had know what he would do as President. But, his campaign performance is appalling. The same sort of behavior is what finished McCain off - inappropriate and ill conceived statements during his campaign. The selection of Palin was the death knoll. At least Ryan can put a coherent sentence together. Whether I agree with him or not, at least Romney did pick a competent running mate.

 

[Lapey]

I myself am still undecided on who to vote for this upcoming election. It be great if you fellow forumers could share your thoughts.

And please, if on purpose, try not to add any lies or false statements on your replies.
I just want the hard truth on why you support your guy.
Thanks a lot!

No lies, no false statements, just a link to the reasons I will vote for Romney/Ryan. Please, I beg you, read all of it.

ct.dio.org/bishops-column/59-think-and-pray-about-your-vote-in-upcoming-election/text.html

 

[bobballen_18]

No lies, no false statements, just a link to the reasons I will vote for Romney/Ryan. Please, I beg you, read all of it.

ct.dio.org/bishops-column/59-think-and-pray-about-your-vote-in-upcoming-election/text.html

 

[Jeanne_S]

I must say, I’m glad these particular posts have been small in number, but it was disturbing for me personally to read the 2-3 posts that say that they talked to their confessor or pastor and have discerned that voting for Obama would actually be OK. What in the world?!? I wonder what these pastors are saying. I think it should be common sense to most Catholics that voting for Obama is NOT morally OK. Sigh…we should continue to pray for good and holy priests (especially ones that won’t condone things like that…)

Also, I don’t get what the problem is about voting for Romney/Ryan. I know I’m not very politically aware, so this is likely the cause of my ignorance, but what is it about Romney that makes people have cold feet and think that not voting/voting 3rd party is actually going to be better than voting for Obama? Some have even claimed their conscience will not allow them to vote for Romney, so what is it that he is (apparently) going to do that goes against our Catholic faith?

As a faithful Catholic, I see no other option than to vote for Romney. Regarding the pro-life

issue, I saw a post stating that Romney wasn’t going to do anything about abortion (and also used this as a reason to not vote for him). Even if this is true (which I’m not sure it is…) at

the very worst, he won’t do anything and it will stay as it is. While this obviously isn’t the best thing, do you really think that the best thing to do would be not vote or vote 3rd party, since

your 3rd party candidate won’t win, and we have Obama who is going to do basically

everything he can so Americans can get abortion on demand? Romney doesn’t actually

support abortion and is not going to be a bad choice. Is it not true that to get Obama out of

office, the only choice is to vote for Romney, who is a morally permissible choice?

I guess it really all revolves around precisely that - whether or not Romney is a morally permissible choice. I don’t he how he’s not.

Well. I think you know who I’m voting for. :thumbsup:

I understand the frustration of those who want a pure candidate.However,considering what is at stake in this election,to indulge in a protest vote really is a vote for Obama!

 

[Michael_Mayo]

I understand the frustration of those who want a pure candidate.However,considering what is at stake in this election,to indulge in a protest vote really is a vote for Obama!

How so?

A vote for neither is just that, a vote for neither.

It adds to neither tally.

 

[qui_est_ce]

That’s my point exactly. We shouldn’t use it at all.

But let’s look at this, someone who uses abortion but was never taught about the Faith and never had any help with deciding the issue. Is she in sin? Yes. But can she be saved? Of course. All we need to do is focus on advocating to those that do not know about the real issues of abortion.

Set up support homes, set up whatever needs to be set up.

Dreamurlife, My father was murdered in his own home, and my mother was beaten, strangled, and left for dead by my dad’s murderers. I am against the death penalty. The people who killed him thought it was okay, because they wanted his money. All the education in the world didn’t stop them from thinking it was okay to kill somebody and strangle his defenseless wife. There was no respect for life in these people.

The death penalty is not something Obama can do anything about, it is a state issue.

I will not vote for Obama because of his failed policies and his stance on abortion. His policies do not reflect dignity for life. More people than ever have been unemployed and are on some sort of welfare. Jobs, not handouts provide real dignity. Gov Romney has real life experience in growing jobs.

Preach on the street, hold up a sign, actively tell people in public about being pro-life and why. A bumper sticker won’t do it.

We have freedom of speech, and which is more important? Our day jobs? Or the lives of the future?

I and my fellow Catholics have been preaching on the streets for years. You know what we get from passing cars? Obscenities, the finger, etc. I have a “choose life” license plate.

NARAL opposes abortion education. They are against ultra-sounds. Why? Because then people will see the real baby that in there. It’s not just a bunch of cells.

See the video. It’s awesome.

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NEzoDr_Wrdg

The Chilean Government takes seriously the protection of children. EVEN CHILDREN IN THE WOMB. This is a cute video, can’t understand a word, but there are subtitles.
God Bless the Chilean Government!!! May other governments who do not take this seriously, learn from the Chileans

 

[qui_est_ce]

I understand the frustration of those who want a pure candidate.However,considering what is at stake in this election,to indulge in a protest vote really is a vote for Obama!

We must vote this pro-death person out. His lack of respect for the dignity of the human person is evident in his policies that have resulted in higher unemployment and dependency on government handouts.

The death of ambassador Stevens was a “bump” in the road.

 

[livnlern]

I agree with this assessment. There just isn’t anyone home with Romney, when it comes to his policy positions, not that Obama gets very specific about much either. Romney’s apparent ignorance in foreign affairs is stunning. Not as bad as Palin, I suppose that is a good thing. She could have been in the race.

It’s as if Romney doesn’t even think before he speaks. It is very had know what he would do as President. But, his campaign performance is appalling. The same sort of behavior is what finished McCain off - inappropriate and ill conceived statements during his campaign. The selection of Palin was the death knoll. At least Ryan can put a coherent sentence together. Whether I agree with him or not, at least Romney did pick a competent running mate.

Being a good orator doesn’t mean the speaker is being sincere or telling the truth. Obama might be a good speaker, but reads most everything off the teleprompter. He does everything for show.
And how bout that Biden! Talk about not thinking before he speaks. He puts his foot in his mouth all the time. He is entertaining, I’ll say that much for him. Notice how little he’s seen now that the campaign is in full force.
And I can’t believe you mentioned Romney’s foreign policy views with the Middle East debacle now going on and Obama’s disasterous foreign policy.

 

[ringil]

Bingo! you said it all.

You’re not a Rightist and you are in the K of C? I always assumed I wouldn’t fit in with them as I am not politically inclined in that direction.

Interesting.

 

[Jeanne_S]

How so?

A vote for neither is just that, a vote for neither.

It adds to neither tally.

Remember Ross Perot,he was a spoiler back in 92’

 

[livnlern]

This about the Obama admin.'s handling of the Bengazi attack:

"The letter also criticizes the administration’s handling of the aftermath of the attack, particularly its characterization of the attack as an out-of control protest rather than an act of terror against the U.S.

Slamming the response to the attack as a “pre-9/11 mindset,” they ask the Obama administration what it plans to do to protect other U.S. interests abroad from being targeted.

“Clearly, the threat from Al Qaeda and affiliated groups has metastasized; yet we do not appear to be learning from the past,” the letter states."

Read more: foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/26/exclusive-lawmakers-express-concern-over-obama-administration-handling-libya/#ixzz27gOa7J8F

 

[SuperLuigi]

Who are you quoting?

looks like you

 

[SuperLuigi]

Remember Ross Perot,he was a spoiler back in 92’

To quote Rush: both he and everyone else knew he was going to run. There was never a question.

Over 92% of the country has made up their mind on who to vote for, and it’s either Romney or Obama.

Ron Paul supporters, combined with Romney’s careful, concise campaigning, could keep Minnesota and Maine in the D column and the libertarian candidate may draw enough votes from Romney to keep NM democrat.

But none of those states are on Mitt’s radar and the debates will be between him and the president.

 

[ringil]

Dreamurlife, My father was murdered in his own home, and my mother was beaten, strangled, and left for dead by my dad’s murderers. I am against the death penalty. The people who killed him thought it was okay, because they wanted his money. All the education in the world didn’t stop them from thinking it was okay to kill somebody and strangle his defenseless wife. There was no respect for life in these people./QUOTE]

Gosh Christine- that’s terrible,

I’m so sorry to hear this happened. Such a terrible thing.

God Bless you and your family

 

[Lapey]

You’re not a Rightist and you are in the K of C? I always assumed I wouldn’t fit in with them as I am not politically inclined in that direction.

Interesting.

You need to get this right & left, conservative & liberal, rep & dem stuff out of the way. The Church teaches truth, not right or left.

the pro-life stance is not right winged or conservative, it is right as in not wrong. You can say that a pro-life stance is center if you like but it is not radical to fight for the lives of babies in the womb as many pundants say.

I thought about commenting on his K of C logo after talking against the Church. To be a member is to support the Church, it should not be a club where people come together to bring their own idea of truth, Mother Church has provided that. All we have to do is accept truth. It’s called formation of one’s conscience.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Second, it’s time to see these issues, especially social issues, as what they are.

And what most on the Left do not seem to see is that social issues have profound economic consequence for the lower class, the middle class, and the country as a whole.

Compromising on social issues promotes social injustice – directly, monetarily, toward individuals whom social justice is supposed to help.

 

[qui_est_ce]

You need to get this right & left, conservative & liberal, rep & dem stuff out of the way. The Church teaches truth, not right or left.

the pro-life stance is not right winged or conservative, it is right as in not wrong. You can say that a pro-life stance is center if you like but it is not radical to fight for the lives of babies in the womb as many pundants say.

I thought about commenting on his K of C logo after talking against the Church. To be a member is to support the Church,** it should not be a club where people come together to bring their own idea of truth, **Mother Church has provided that. All we have to do is accept truth. It’s called formation of one’s conscience.

Well said. I really appreciate your taking the time to post here and share your wisdom.

The highlighted reminds me of 2 Timothy. It’s a book I’ve been reading over and over again these past few weeks.

[BIBLEDRB]2 tim 4:3-4[/BIBLEDRB]
I see many Catholics today creating their own version of truth. It is a cause of great concern for me.