Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

[qui_est_ce]

No I don’t. The broader economic statistics are the issue in a political discussion, not your private life and your subjective experience of the economy.

My subjective experience of the economy is great when it comes strictly to my personal situation. I have a great, exciting job in a biotech company, and the company has barely been touched by the recession. Does that mean that my personal subjective experience of the economy is relevant to the economic statistics? Guess what, it’s not – obviously. By the same token, my personal experience would not be relevant either if it had been miserable. And if it had been miserable it could also have happened in a great economy.

Ergo, the only thing that counts for rationally judging an economy are the broader economic statistics, not personal anecdotes – as painful as these may be.

You made a personal attack on me and this is the response I get?

Backtracking I see.

You’ve lost all credibility.

Nothing to add to honest debate ignore list.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

1st debate?? Next Wednesday I hear.

I expect Obama to do much better than Romney because he’s a far more polished speaker. I’m saying nothing about content, just about the speaking abilities of each man. Even the GOP has low expectations of Romney’s performance.

If I were one of the GOP faithful, I’d concentrate on the message, not the messenger.

 

[Al_Moritz]

You made a personal attack on me and this is the response I get?

Backtracking I see.

You’ve lost all credibility.

Nothing to add to honest debate ignore list.

Whatever.

 

[BroomWagon]

I expect Obama to do much better than Romney because he’s a far more polished speaker. I’m saying nothing about content, just about the speaking abilities of each man. Even the GOP has low expectations of Romney’s performance.

If I were one of the GOP faithful, I’d concentrate on the message, not the messenger.

Source for the GOP having low expectations of Romney’s performance? I didn’t think there was one!

Obama has nothing he can speak positively about except killing Bin Laden.

Surely, the rest of your condescending post is fallacious as well.

 

[BroomWagon]

I expect Obama to do much better than Romney because he’s a far more polished speaker. I’m saying nothing about content, just about the speaking abilities of each man. Even the GOP has low expectations of Romney’s performance.

If I were one of the GOP faithful, I’d concentrate on the message, not the messenger.

Why about the latter? Only if one is brainwashed into hating the rich.

 

[Elizabeth502]

I’m not going to get into a discussion of your private life, which I don’t know, vs. economic statistics.

Then why did you accuse her, in an earlier post on this thread, of “living in a right-wing bubble?” That was most deifnitely an accusation about her private life, not to mention her private attitudes toward others – none of which you have privileged access to.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

You made a personal attack on me and this is the response I get?

Backtracking I see.

You’ve lost all credibility.

Nothing to add to honest debate ignore list.

Al, you picked the wrong lady to pick on. Someone has her dander up!

 

[Elizabeth502]

Al, you picked the wrong lady to pick on. Someone has her dander up!

He most certainly did, Rich. I also get my dander up when others are unjustly accused, and I am ready to defend them. So two opponents have been created out of carelessness.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Source for the GOP having low expectations of Romney’s performance? I didn’t think there was one!

Obama has nothing he can speak positively about except killing Bin Laden.

Surely, the rest of your condescending post is fallacious as well.

Think so? Yahoo news reported the bit about low expectations.

But, the debate is just days away. No point arguing. We’ll see which man chews the other up and spits him out.

 

[scipio337]

Then why did you accuse her, in an earlier post on this thread, of “living in a right-wing bubble?” That was most deifnitely an accusation about her private life, not to mention her private attitudes toward others – none of which you have privileged access to.

This one:
Al Moritz:

So that less babies will die. If the economy improves, which it will continue to do under Obama, less mothers and fathers will experience economic anxiety about actually raising a child and decide for abortion. Romney’s policies would push for even more inequality, which is bad for the economy in the long term. Look at actual wage growth (adjusted for inflation) in the last 30 years compared to company profits. A sad story.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9830009&postcount=526
Al Moritz:

That is precisely why you live in a right-wing bubble parallel to reality, and I don’t. I live in actual reality.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9830013&postcount=528

Not cool.

 

[johnnyjones]

What about the ones who’ve done nothing for this country and have only stayed home “clipping coupons”? Believe it or not, there are wealthy people today who just live off the wealth earned a hundred or so years ago by some great-great grandfather or such.

Of course you can always reach into the “what about” bag and pull up the worst. Just like those who would be forever happy to remain dependent on a government handout which is passed down from generation to generation just like the rich people you highlight…

But is this the road we really need to take, blame the rich people or their heirs for being successful in business or just being born rich? It’s petty and childish.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Al, you picked the wrong lady to pick on. Someone has her dander up!

Justifiably.

 

[Al_Moritz]

Then why did you accuse her, in an earlier post on this thread, of “living in a right-wing bubble?” That was most deifnitely an accusation about her private life, not to mention her private attitudes toward others – none of which you have privileged access to.

I made my statement (on p. 36 of the thread) with respect to her reaction about my assertions regarding broader economic statistics, which had nothing to do with her private life or her private attitudes toward others, but had to do with her political ideology.

 

[scipio337]

I’m fascinated by this “He’s a rich guy born in a bubble, immune to our daily struggles” line.

Can you name a Presidential candidate in the past 100 years who isn’t? Did Kennedy’s, Roosevelt’s or Kerry’s wealthy backgounds disqualify them from POTUS?

LOL @ selective outrage.

 

[johnnyjones]

I expect Obama to do much better than Romney because he’s a far more polished speaker. I’m saying nothing about content, just about the speaking abilities of each man. Even the GOP has low expectations of Romney’s performance.

If I were one of the GOP faithful, I’d concentrate on the message, not the messenger.

Really? Romney went through THE most brutal Republican primary and is in pretty could shape for debating. When was the last time Obama had a tough debate or even a hard hitting question asked of him, and that to be followed up by another tough question. He’s used to soft balls.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Don’t doubt it, but that’s not entirely true of the fabulously wealthy in New York, the only city where I can even attempt a judgment on that subject.

Sure, but I see enough praise of the rich on the Forum to believe that they are quite relevant to a lot of posters here.

I actually do have a lot of admiration for some of the wealthy people I know. They have acquired their wealth by doing some really amazing things. One of my good friends made a bundle by working out, in his garage, a way of converting the waste ice cream produced by ice cream manufacturers, into very inexpensive milk solids to put into pet food. The ice cream companies had a hard time getting rid of it before that because lactose is devilishly difficult to break down. He solved the palatability question by trying his formulations on his own dog.

You see, ice cream is manufactured by pushing the formula down refrigerated tubes where it freezes, thence into the boxes. When you change flavors, the most efficient way to do it is to push the new flavor into the already-full tube until it runs “pure”. So you end up with a partial barrel full of mixed-flavor “waste ice cream” every time you change flavors.

I say the guy deserves the money he made doing that.

He also developed a computerized “facial recognition” system and made a bunch of money on that. Among other things, he now operates a “free school and lab” for young computer geeks to work out programs and projects. If they come up with a winner, it’s theirs, and he charges them nothing because he’s already rich.

He grew up milking cows.

Good man.

But since you reminded me of it, I’ll mention when I was a young man and had the obligatory “Rich Girlfriend” from NYC. (Every young man should have one, as well as a Southern Belle Girlfriend and a Nightclub Singer Girlfriend, at least once each.) Her father owned ships and died when she was little. Her mother had one home in that “Great Gatsby” country there and a condominium in Manhattan. She didn’t seem terribly interested in gaining any kind of life skill, and informed me that she had a trust fund and her monthly “draw limit” was $20,000.00 (that was years ago). She sometimes talked about her friends round and about where she lived, and she said they were very wealthy. I asked what they do for a living. She told me they all had degrees, some of them were even doctors and lawyers and economists and such, but that they didn’t actually work. Mostly they sailed and played polo and (her words) “played ‘country set’ during the day and partied in Manhattan at night”.

Now, I would say that was a bit rich for my tastes. Well, not “too rich”, exactly, but “too worthless”. I guess I was a bit of a reverse snob, and figured out that there was no way I could live that way, and that she would ultimately come to resent it if I didn’t. Well, and her maximum expressed family limit was two children, which I found unacceptable. She did express mild surprise and perhaps disappointment that I had never ridden any way but Western, but felt I could learn to ride whatever style they do when playing polo. I’m glad she told me all of that stuff in advance. “Kept man” ran through my mind more than once. Needless to say, we parted at my instance, so perhaps I’m nearly as much a reverse snob as you are, Rich. I think Fitzgerald was at least half right. How did he put it “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me”?

Some rich people, like the Rich Girlfriend are indeed very different, and some, like the ice cream chemist, aren’t.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I’m fascinated by this “He’s a rich guy born in a bubble, immune to our daily struggles” line.

Can you name a Presidential candidate in the past 100 years who isn’t? Did Kennedy’s, Roosevelt’s or Kerry’s wealthy backgounds disqualify them from POTUS?

LOL @ selective outrage.

It only counts if you’re a Republican. Haven’t you learned that by now???

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Really? Romney went through THE most brutal Republican primary and is in pretty could shape for debating. When was the last time Obama had a tough debate or even a hard hitting question asked of him, and that to be followed up by another tough question. He’s used to soft balls.

Let’s see how the debates go. I think Obama will likely win because he is far more polished speaker, but anything could happen. Who knows but that Romney might prove to be the better speaker. If I had to bet, I’d pick Obama, but I’ve been to Oaklawn and have lost my share of bets before.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Bishop Felipe Estévez tells Florida’s Catholics to vote pro-life, pro-family in November

lifesitenews.com/news/bishop-felipe-estevez-tells-floridas-catholics-to-vote-pro-life-pro-family

 

[epan]

He most certainly did, Rich. I also get my dander up when others are unjustly accused, and I am ready to defend them. So two opponents have been created out of carelessness.

Now children, don’t make me come in there…