Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

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rlg94086 said:
Sure. You don’t have to explain your reasons to anyone. It just seems like a complete waste of time in a forum to not share your views, opinion and logic. Unless, of course, you are just here as a contrarian and to post a lot of smilies.
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I already told you why I’m posting here. Is your personal permission required?
 
seekerz said:
Thanks for the permission, but calling someone a Mormon provides as much information on the reasoning were are discussing, as calling someone a Protestant. I don’t like dealing in labels: specific or generic ones, however, I do like dealing in*** concepts*** as those tend to be what shape human actions and decisions.
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Uh huh. It doesn’t sound like there is a lot of reasoning going on…
 
seekerz said:
I already told you why I’m posting here. Is your personal permission required?
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Nope. I just posted my opinion about your cagey responses regarding your logic and non-prudential faith reasons. Do I need your permission to post my opinion? 😛
 
zenith15 said:
I agree with CMatt also, but as Meltzer said, be prepared for the onslaught.

I would like to add that though I am pro life, I have discussed my choice extensively with my pastor and have read the USCCB Faithful Citizenship bulletin, and my personal feeling is that voting for Romney and Ryan and all they stand for would be a serious enough grave evil to sway my vote despite Obama’s pro choice stance. That’s my feeling and my opinion, having read, thought and studied–please don’t attack it and I won’t attack yours.
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Wow. Just wow… :ehh:
 
Richca said:
If you agree with Mr. Roberts that legalized abortion is a settled law of the land, then your conscience is in error as is Mr. Roberts. For no human law that is not in conformity with the divine law is a law at all, it is illicit and nobody can be forced against their conscience to obey it. ( Pope John Paul II, The Gospel of Life)
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Where do you get the idea that I agree with Judge Roberts? Of course I don’t, I am a pro-life Catholic. The point was that I have no illusions that the Supreme Court will do anything about it, so it is highly questionable that the abortion issue is a valid or even mandatory reason to vote GOP (in my personal judgement it isn’t).
As this point was made by another poster on this thread, it is not rational or reasonable to assume that a candidate and party who fully support an illicit law such as legalized abortion is more in conformity with the divine law than a candidate and party who is opposed to such a law. This is very irrational.
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As I have pointed out, I have strong doubts that the GOP really wants to have Roe V. Wade overturned, for the reasons I gave in my previous post.You may disagree with my opinion, but accusing me of ‘irrationality’ goes a bit far. (Don’t get me started on right-wing irrationality…)
 
rlg94086 said:
Nope. I just posted my opinion about your cagey responses regarding your logic and non-prudential faith reasons. Do I need your permission to post my opinion? 😛
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My responses are cagey? I’m discussing nothing that is not glaringly obvious, particularly to those Catholics who claim to have a better-formed conscience than mine. 🤷

I look at both candidates, I do my research, I make my decisions…I would assume they do the same even more diligently.
 
estesbob said:
The only good thing about the cash for clunkers program is it took tens of thousands of obama/ biden bumper stickers off the nation’s highways.
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How narrow , that comment certainly tells us heaps about where you are coming from.
Have you never been told if you cannot say good about people it is better not to say anything .
Peace, Carlan
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I know more than a few people that quit once the price got up over $5.00 a pack.

Mao Tsetung said that to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs. Yes, they killed millions, but it was all for the common good.
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Oh my goodness!! You can’t be quoting Mao and noting his killing of millions as a “common good”? Can you be??? :tsktsk:
 
seekerz said:
My responses are cagey? I’m discussing nothing that is not glaringly obvious, particularly to those Catholics who claim to have a better-formed conscience than mine. 🤷

I look at both candidates, I do my research, I make my decisions…I would assume they do the same even more diligently.
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Yes, cagey. You’ve said you wouldn’t share the biggest reason not to vote for Romney until after the election. You’ve claimed that your reason for supporting Obama is faith-based and not on prudential issues. You claim you can’t give those non-prudential reasons because you can’t discuss Romney’s faith. How is any of that “glaringly obvious?” :confused: 😛

If you have a non-prudential reason not to vote someone, it should be pretty easy to articulate. Non-prudential reasons are basically non-negotiable, every Catholic (should) agree because the Church teaches it clearly sort of reasons. 🤷
 
seekerz said:
My responses are cagey? I’m discussing nothing that is not glaringly obvious, particularly to those Catholics who claim to have a better-formed conscience than mine. 🤷

I look at both candidates, I do my research, I make my decisions…I would assume they do the same even more diligently.
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I understand disagreeing on politics but I don’t understand why Catholic Romney voters think those of you who are practicing faithful Catholics voting for Obama do not have an informed conscience based on your church’s teachings. I think even some non Catholic voters are aware and informed of the Catholic Church teachings on abortion, SS unions, and perhaps even embryonic stem cell research. Several of you who are faithful and practicing have informed your consciences it seems and then have explained how your consicence is answering for you the question of the thread. If I’ve gotten anything from this thread it is there remains a lot of disagreement among all of you. God bless everyone here and peace be with all.
 
Carlan said:
How narrow , that comment certainly tells us heaps about where you are coming from.
Have you never been told if you cannot say good about people it is better not to say anything .
Peace, Carlan
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I think you take this comment (sorry but I had to edit my post - took out reference to taking yourself too serious. That sounded uncharitable so I took it out.) way too serious, that comment was meant to be taken tongue and cheek. This is where we go wrong, you see this comment and then you come back, “look how mean and unintelligent this person is, because this is so telling.” No, you didn’t say this exactly, but you inferred it; and again take offense to the implications in your words about people who differ in opinions on this type of mislead policy.

This program did more to hurt private charitable donations, and the car industry, and the lower middle class than you are anyone on the left will ever care to admit. Artificial manipulation of the markets will and did affect the same market, and the same people the “good intensions” were meant to help.

But this is not the issue at hand, this is a distraction. Get back on track, why should I vote for Obama?
 
Al_Moritz said:
As I have pointed out, I have strong doubts that the GOP really wants to have Roe V. Wade overturned, for the reasons I gave in my previous post.You may disagree with my opinion, but accusing me of ‘irrationality’ goes a bit far. (Don’t get me started on right-wing irrationality…)
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“Right-wing irrationality?” “I have strong doubts that the GOP really wants to have Roe V Wade overturned,” therefore I support the most pro-abortion, pro-“gay marriage” candidate. Yeah…that’s rational. :rolleyes: 😛
 
interestedman said:
Romney and Ryan will gut programs designed to help the poor. They don’t care about the poor at all. They want to make sure that the rich get theirs and maybe it will trickle down…Spoiler: it won’t trickle down.

And I find it hilarious that some Catholics are more interested in gay marriage than they are about helping the poor. THAT is shameful in my opinion. Then again Jesus spoke constantly about gay marriage and I don’t recall him ever saying anything about helping the poor.
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Jesus spoke about YOU helping the poor. And ME. …not some inefficient and insulting government program that confiscates our treasure. 😑
 
rlg94086 said:
Yes, cagey. You’ve said you wouldn’t share the biggest reason not to vote for Romney until after the election. You’ve claimed that your reason for supporting Obama is faith-based and not on prudential issues. You claim you can’t give those non-prudential reasons because you can’t discuss Romney’s faith. How is any of that “glaringly obvious?”
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What I said was: I have realized what Romney is lacking with regard to leadership, but I will not share it until after the election because I don’t want to give you ideas. 😛

To me, he is the less acceptable candidate for other reasons which I am not free to dissect here. I would be happy to do so otherwise. Call it being cagey if you like…
If you have a non-prudential reason not to vote someone, it should be pretty easy to articulate. Non-prudential reasons are basically non-negotiable, every Catholic (should) agree because the Church teaches it clearly sort of reasons. 🤷
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I have great non-prudential reasons to not support Romney…of the sort that the Church clearly teaches. My purpose here however, is not to usurp other people’s rights to determine those FOR THEMSELVES. Like I’ve said before, each person owns his/her own conscience and they should be free to use it without being called names.
 
You know what?This thread thread is not really about abortion or other intrinsic evil.
It is about Republican Politics and the final discovery of the hate filled wedge being used to spread the hate of another human being,.And that is mortally wrong.
God shed your light.
Peace, CArlan
 
Carlan said:
You know what?This thread thread is not really about abortion or other intrinsic evil.
It is about Republican Politics and the final discovery of the hate filled wedge being used to spared the hate of another human beilg,.And that is mortally wrong.
God shed your light.
Peace, CArlan
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I know.

I get tired of being called a “hater” and a “homophobe” by people with whom I disagree.
 
Growing up in Catholic schools, we’d sing that hymn, “Whatsoever you do the least of my brothers, that you do unto me”… I already don’t need to contemplate voter guides though they should exist. Catholic charity I believe makes it clear who to vote for, I will vote for Romney/Ryan.
 
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