Obama won Catholic vote, regular churchgoers chose Romney [CC]

[JimG]

Disagree. But hey, let’s just watch the consequences. That should tell the tale.

You own it, Democrats. What happens now is the Democrats’ fault.

Then the Dems will own the coming depression.

 

[livingwordunity]

Then the Dems will own the coming depression.

The Church will endure more injustice and suffering under the current regime.

 

[Mar044]

At least living in the times of the Antichrist won’t be boring.

if your worthy, jesus will take you before the 7 years of hell start up and you won’t be around for the show.

if your not, you get to see the show and face judgment after.

 

[iloveangels]

if your worthy, jesus will take you before the 7 years of hell start up and you won’t be around for the show.

if your not, you get to see the show and face judgment after.

Catholics don’t believe in the Rapture.

 

[Al_Moritz]

I recommend that you prayerfully study Pope John Paul II’s encyclical called Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life).

And I recommend that you prayerfully study paragraphs 34 and 35 in the USCCB’s voters’ guide, and the related remarks by Cardinal Ratzinger, the current Pope, in his function as Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

For the texts, see here:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9965748&postcount=73

You can look them up on the web to retrieve the full documents without the added emphases.

 

[Pitcharan]

well THIS devout Catholic/Seminary candidate voted for Obama. and yes, i am in Church every sunday, multiple times a week, also praying in front of the Blessed Sacrement, praying my Rosary, saying my Divine Office, etc. yes, i am pro life too. believe it or not, we exist. i voted for him not because of his stances on maintaining the status quo on abortion, but in spite of it, and i voted because of the social issues. I just try to be the best Catholic i can be, and counsel others about moral issues when appropriate. God Bless.

Good decision!

 

[sowinskija]

I don’t see how any Catholic could possibly vote for Obama-- I was never a fan of his but when I heard on the radio about a situation when he was a State Senator there is NO WAY I could even think of voting for him.
Apparently a bill was brought up in their Senate(I think it must have been Illinois a/c I believe he comes from Chicago) that if an abortion didn’t turn out right (the baby was alive) the doctor could try to keep the baby alive – and Obama voted AGAINST the bill – how could he??? – the baby was alive!!! it was a baby!!! Unbelievable!!!

Yep, i know about that too.

 

[Lochias]

Good decision!

Methinks that murdered babies everywhere would disagree with you.

 

[zeland]

I saw a news report, which said that, while Hispanic people are generally pro-life and pro-traditional marriage, 71% of Hispanics voted for Obama. Obviously the Church failed to reach this group. This is because we have had a weak, do-nothing Church that is afraid to preach the truth about sin and the political issues of the day.

 

[Pitcharan]

Methinks that murdered babies everywhere would disagree with you.

Me not think so.

 

[Carlan]

I saw a news report, which said that, while Hispanic people are generally pro-life and pro-traditional marriage, 71% of Hispanics voted for Obama. Obviously the Church failed to reach this group. This is because we have had a weak, do-nothing Church that is afraid to preach the truth about sin and the political issues of the day.

Zeland, we humans are not all in the same place at the same time when it comes to growth in spirituality, holiness and all that is good. God knows that and so does the Church.,.she knows and understands that we are all sinners and that it takes a lifetime of growth for purification. May God forgive us and continue to be merciful toward us sinners.
Peace, Carlan

 

[Mickey_Finn]

Of all the lessons this last election may, or may not have taught us. One lesson is very clear.

You can’t put a lot of faith in polls!

ATB

 

[clark24078]

To that seminarian who devoutly prays his rosary who voted for the one in Legion:
You are an impostor. You are the problem. You are the enemy. You are why the church is in such disarray. Dance your dance while you can - right next to young Goodman Brown - best you stay clear of my path because I will call you out in front of everyone! You - voted for DEATH. You forked tongue, hooved foot monster cloaked in garbs of the church. You a seminarian? we’ll see how long that lasts. You are living testament to the Devil’s capacity for LIES.
Ask not for the whom the bell tolls false seminarian.

 

[BackToTheRock]

To that seminarian who devoutly prays his rosary who voted for the one in Legion:
You are an impostor. You are the problem. You are the enemy. You are why the church is in such disarray. Dance your dance while you can - right next to young Goodman Brown - best you stay clear of my path because I will call you out in front of everyone! You - voted for DEATH. You forked tongue, hooved foot monster cloaked in garbs of the church. You a seminarian? we’ll see how long that lasts. You are living testament to the Devil’s capacity for LIES.
Ask not for the whom the bell tolls false seminarian.

Ahhh . . . . Such Christian charity; and before my second cup of coffee!
People seem to think seminary is an indoctrination camp akin to the places the Soviets sent dissenters for “re-education”. On the contrary, seminary is a place where our future leaders are formed through study, reflection, asking questions, dialoguing with others, field education, clinical work, etc.
But on to another subject.

It seems to me that everyone feels the need to be the good soldier and fight for what the Bishops have told us is imperative to defend. And yet . . . What do you all make of the fact that OSV reports that NOTHING about this election or the HHS mandate appears on the agenda the Bishops released for their annual meeting? The headline for the article is, “Election results missing from bishop’s public agenda”. The subtitle is “That doesn’t meean Church’s political concerns won’t come up in opening speech and behind closed doors.” Opening Speech? Behind closed doors? After all the posturing, the Fortnight for Freedom, the letters to be read from the pulpit, etc. and there’s nothing public in the aftermath? Here’s my suggestion for the opening of a public dialogue on the election results:
“WHOOPS!”

 

[BackToTheRock]

Zeland, we humans are not all in the same place at the same time when it comes to growth in spirituality, holiness and all that is good. God knows that and so does the Church.,.she knows and understands that we are all sinners and that it takes a lifetime of growth for purification. May God forgive us and continue to be merciful toward us sinners.
Peace, Carlan

I also wonder if part of the issue is that the relative importance of issues depends on where you stand? For instance, if you’re an American with shelter, food, electricity, and a computer connection, you might say that abortion and gay marriage are the most important issues.

But if you’re a mother in a third world country whose child is dying of dysentery, clean water is the most important issue.

Perhaps one thing we can do is to dialogue with Hispanic communities as to what they see as the most important issues they face on a daily basis.

 

[Carlan]

I also wonder if part of the issue is that the relative importance of issues depends on where you stand? For instance, if you’re an American with shelter, food, electricity, and a computer connection, you might say that abortion and gay marriage are the most important issues.

But if you’re a mother in a third world country whose child is dying of dysentery, clean water is the most important issue.

Perhaps one thing we can do is to dialogue with Hispanic communities as to what they see as the most important issues they face on a daily basis

Yes, the excellent head of a nation governs for the common good and immediate need of our diverse communities.
Peace, Carlan

 

[BroomWagon]

Yes, the excellent head of a nation governs for the common good and immediate need of our diverse communities.
Peace, Carlan

Doesn’t sound like an excellent head of a nation would ever vote for Infanticide.

This is a quote worth pondering by all of us.!

Doesn’t sound like an excellent head of a nation would ever vote for Infanticide.

Peace, BroomWagon.

 

[BroomWagon]

They may refuse communion and excommunicate some Politicians who claim to be Catholic, they should also contemplate doing this to others who make this claim.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Thank you for saying this! I have a life-long disability and I could care less about my assistance because Obamacare will require rationing and I would not be deemed “worthy” of care anyway because I can’t contribute to society. If a candidate can’t care for the helpless, the unborn, he or she sure isn’t going to protect the disabled and the elderly!! I pray I don’t get fatally ill but my trust is in God to provide, not the government! God wants me here for a reason and my time in his His hands.

There is merit in what you are saying. My wife in an RN who works with disabled people. She is angry because the administration has increased the reimbursement for “well care” while reducing it for “chronic care”. Disabled people are “chronic” patients. One of the additional disturbing aspects are that providers are now required to document advice given to patients; “stop smoking” “lose weight” “start running”, “don’t get pregnant”, whatever the case may be. Also, they are required to document that they recommended that “living wills” be placed in the chart, and that the patient refused to do it if he/she did refuse. Providers are presently rewarded financially for doing those things above a certain percentage of all patients. It’s a very high percentage; 90% or something like that.

In 2016, that will turn into penalties if the providers don’t. Now, when one considers that the government panel will issue directives as to what care to provide and what care not to provide, one can’t help being disturbed that that data will be used to determine care. So, if one has, say, a pre-diabetic condition and is advised to lose weight and is told a number of times to do it but doesn’t, can we really believe that diabetic care will be provided if and when the patient develops diabetes or very costly complications thereof?

And, of course, disabled people are not going to be well able to follow any advice because it is very difficult for them to do it, or they are dependent on others to do it.

 

[Carlan]

Doesn’t sound like an excellent head of a nation would ever vote for Infanticide.

This is a quote worth pondering by all of us.!

Peace, BroomWagon.

I do not believe Catholics voted for President Obama because of his position on abortion or other serious moral issues. Not all in our community are one issue voters realizing neither political platform is perfect and also neither are the candidates.

We are quite free to voice our opinion in America .I follow the teaching authority of the Apostolic Church the Magisterium, but I have no right whatsoever to judge and condemn others for their free choice whether it is right or wrong, God convicts and judges.
Peace, Carlan