Obama won Catholic vote, regular churchgoers chose Romney [CC]

[Prodigal_Son1]

At best, and at worst the whole statement. It seems to contradict others on the matter.

Or it’s in line with what the Catechism teaches us on ‘consciences’.

 

[BeccaPax]

I am just so disheartened to hear so many Catholics voted once again for Obama - seemingly BECAUSE of his social issues! So belief in abortion, partial-birth abortion, gay marriage, and mandating Catholics to provide contraception are social issues to be IN FAVOR OF?!

Some Catholics believe they or others are entitled to things from the taxpayers. This is called greed. No one is entitled to ANYTHING. What we receive from others is a gift from GOD, given because they are Christians - not because a government stole from them. This is why Romey gave $2 million to his church and charity last year on his own volition - because of his love of God.

What I am reading from Catholics is a real tragedy. Somewhere along the way, these Catholics lost the heart of the Faith. You place your faith in government, not God. A government that doesn’t value our sacraments, traditions or deeply held beliefs. The fact that a seminarian posted these views doesn’t surprise me in the least, especially in light of the infiltration of liberalism and homosexuality into our beautiful Church over the last century. Sorry if that’s harsh, but it’s time to call a spade a spade. We’re losing our culture and it’s because of people like this - because the takers now outnumber the makers.

 

[CaptFun]

There is a lady named Angela Michael who recently ran for U.S. Congress in Illinois as a Democrat. She is a nurse who operates a “sonogram van” outside of an abortion clinic in Granite City, IL every day, I have worked with her for a long time and she has helped to save hundreds of babies and mothers from abortion. She ran on a strictly pro-life and pro-Catholic platform, she only ran as a Democrat so she would have the chance to be elected.

So would it be better to vote for a pro-abortion/contraception Republican over someone like Angela Michael?

But she got creamed by the Republican guy 61% to 39%. So maybe even those in “her own party” didn’t vote for her.

Angela, wherever you are, you sound like you’d make a good elected official (at least due to the fact that you’ve gotten the most important issue in America RIGHT).

Shake the dust from your feet and see if maybe the Republican Party has a place for you. It’s a laudable thing to try to convert Sodom and Gomorrah from the inside – but sometimes God tells his servants to move along and give something else a try.

I’d have crossed over to vote for Angela maybe. Definitely if the Republican running against her was pro-choice. Thirteen kids? Never mind Congressperson, Angela may be
bucking for saint!

 

[anp1215]

Banning abortion will make people revert back to extremely unsafe abortions. Giving someone the safe environment to go through with an abortion and then be there for that person afterwards is what these ladies need.

If you’ve never sat down and spoken to a woman that had an abortion afterwards stop talking about the issue. You’re too disconnected.

You mean like these women?
www.silentnomoreawareness.org

 

[Saber_Mom]

I have 15 questions for Obama voters. They are not intended to be post mortem for either side; I simply want to know why so many supported Obama because I frankly do not understand your point of view.

1.President Obama spent about $1.3 Trillion each year in deficit, adding about $5 Trillion to the national debt during his term. He offered no leadership to reduce spending and ignored the recommendations of his own Simpson-Bowles commission. Is this level of deficit spending and Obama’s indifference to it okay with you?
2.Clearly, the president lied when he said everyone/anyone could keep their former health coverage under ObamaCare. The increased requirements for coverage require all who buy insurance to alter their coverage and the existence of a ‘rationing panel’ for Medicare assure that health coverage will change for seniors as well. Is this slight-of-hand by President Obama okay with you?
3.At last count, ObamaCare has about 15 new taxes in it, all timed to begin after the 2012 election. Is that okay with you?
4.Likewise, the president lied about the attack on our Benghazi consulate by spreading the story that a spontaneous mob was involved when the earliest reports said otherwise. The Administration’s story was so consistent that it had to be the product of the president’s own decision to obfuscate. Was his misleading of the American people okay with you?
5.There had been a similar incidence of White House cover-up earlier, when the gun-running project known as Fast and Furious was under investigation. President Obama prevented Congress from obtaining the facts surrounding this horrendously misguided activity by claiming executive privilege after Atty General Holder had exhausted his attempts to hide the truth. Was this cover-up okay with you?
6.Conversely, the Administration readily leaked classified details of the Bin Laden raid, including the name of our operative in Pakistan who is now doing a 30 year jail term for helping us. Seal Team operational methods were also released, all in an effort to create favorable publicity for the Administration’s single foreign policy achievement by making a film about the event. Future special operations of this type are thus put in jeopardy. Is this okay with you?
7.Notwithstanding clear and repeated warnings from several government agencies that both Social Security and Medicare are in dire financial straits, President Obama made no attempt to restructure either program to preserve it. Was this avoidance of a major fiscal issue okay with you?
8.The Obama Administration refused to enforce existing laws regarding immigration and attempted to stop the state of Arizona from dealing with its significant illegal immigration problem that included the murder of a rancher by illegal immigrants… Was the Administration’s action okay with you?
9.President Obama advocates even higher taxes for the wealthy even though the resulting revenue is miniscule. Such tax policy rewards those who take from the public treasury and penalizes those who work hard and earn more. Is that okay with you?
10.Faced with Lockheed-Martin’s need to deliver 60 day layoff notices under the Warren Act just prior to the election, the Obama Administration directed L-M not to do so and promised that the government would cover any cost of failing to comply with the law. This to remove negative news just before the election. Was this violation of the law alright with you?
11.In his initial trip abroad as president, Obama bowed to several foreign heads of state and issued apologies for America ’s behavior? Was this alright with you? What did Americans have to apologize for?
12.In his now-famous aside, President Obama told Russian President Medvedev that he’d (Obama) “have more flexibility after the election.” This apparently referred to the reduction of nuclear weapons the Administration is pursuing with Russia . But regardless of the issue, is it okay for our president to conspire with another nation for something that would be perceived negatively at election time?
13.The Obama Administration sought to grant waivers to the Welfare program’s work requirement passed during the Clinton Administration in spite of the fact that the enacting legislation did not empower the granting of waivers. Do you approve of this flaunting of the law?
14.The restructuring of GM engineered by the Administration ignored the interests of GM shareholders who would normally have first claim on any settlement and granted a sizable share of GM stock to the UAW, which normally would have no standing at all in such a matter. This was an obvious reward to a strong political contributor. Was this okay with you?
15.Secretary of State Hilleary Clinton endorsed the International Arms Control treaty in August 2011. As I understand it, this treaty makes US citizens subject to international law and supersedes the Second Amendment rights Americans now enjoy. Is this subjugation of US law to international law acceptable to you?

I’ve tried hard to stick to facts and believe I’ve done so. I thank you in advance for your response.

Just bringing this up to the top - I’m also interested in the answers (and notice that there are none).

 

[Saber_Mom]

There is a lady named Angela Michael who recently ran for U.S. Congress in Illinois as a Democrat. She is a nurse who operates a “sonogram van” outside of an abortion clinic in Granite City, IL every day, I have worked with her for a long time and she has helped to save hundreds of babies and mothers from abortion. She ran on a strictly pro-life and pro-Catholic platform, she only ran as a Democrat so she would have the chance to be elected.

So would it be better to vote for a pro-abortion/contraception Republican over someone like Angela Michael?

I’d vote for her.

Sadly, I think its diminishment began a long time ago, because so many Catholics have either been inadequately catechized or have rationalized ways to defend evil because of their personal lives and/or political party affiliations. You don’t have to be on CAF too long to realize that, and CAF is one of the most faithfully Catholic sites to which one can go.

So thankful for CAF, and I agree - so many Catholics have not been properly catechized and honestly, it’s still not happening. I’m doing it on my own here at home. I’m afraid for our future.

I am just so disheartened to hear so many Catholics voted once again for Obama - seemingly BECAUSE of his social issues! So belief in abortion, partial-birth abortion, gay marriage, and mandating Catholics to provide contraception are social issues to be IN FAVOR OF?!

Some Catholics believe they or others are entitled to things from the taxpayers. This is called greed. No one is entitled to ANYTHING. What we receive from others is a gift from GOD, given because they are Christians - not because a government stole from them. This is why Romey gave $2 million to his church and charity last year on his own volition - because of his love of God.

What I am reading from Catholics is a real tragedy. Somewhere along the way, these Catholics lost the heart of the Faith. You place your faith in government, not God. A government that doesn’t value our sacraments, traditions or deeply held beliefs. The fact that a seminarian posted these views doesn’t surprise me in the least, especially in light of the infiltration of liberalism and homosexuality into our beautiful Church over the last century. Sorry if that’s harsh, but it’s time to call a spade a spade. We’re losing our culture and it’s because of people like this - because the takers now outnumber the makers.

Fantastic post. Thank you.

 

[Ridgerunner]

During Bush’s 8 years, 2 of which were with a republican controlled house and senate, the justices were 7 appointed by republicans and 2 appointed by democrats.

To be honest, I didn’t read past there when I saw your assumption of me in the bottom of the post, even though I have clarified that more than once.

Oh, I see, you’re saying that back in 2000, 7 of the justices were Repub appointees. Well, let’s look at that. The only one of them who was on the Court when Roe was decided was Rhenquist, and he voted against it. Since 1990, every Repub appointee has been prolife. Every Dem appointee has ALWAYS been pro-abortion since Roe. No Democrat appointee has EVER voted prolife.

So, you’re making your case based on people who were appointed thirty and more years ago and ignoring every appointment since then in order to maintain that there is no difference between Repubs and Dems when it comes to the Court, notwithstanding that for thirty years, every Repub appointment but one (Souter) has been prolife and every Dem appointment has been pro-abortion. Three decades of total difference between the parties, and you say there is none.

 

[Ridgerunner]

So thankful for CAF, and I agree - so many Catholics have not been properly catechized and honestly, it’s still not happening. I’m doing it on my own here at home. I’m afraid for our future.

You are right to do catechize at home. If more Catholic parents did that, we would not be seeing Catholics voting for abortion-promoting politicians, nor would we be seeing so many virtually unchurched Catholics or so many leaving the Church. I salute you for your efforts!

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Oh, I see, you’re saying that back in 2000, 7 of the justices were Repub appointees. Well, let’s look at that. The only one of them who was on the Court when Roe was decided was Rhenquist, and he voted against it. Since 1990, every Repub appointee has been prolife. Every Dem appointee has ALWAYS been pro-abortion since Roe. No Democrat appointee has EVER voted prolife.

So, you’re making your case based on people who were appointed thirty and more years ago and ignoring every appointment since then in order to maintain that there is no difference between Repubs and Dems when it comes to the Court, notwithstanding that for thirty years, every Repub appointment but one (Souter) has been prolife and every Dem appointment has been pro-abortion. Three decades of total difference between the parties, and you say there is none.

30 years of total differences, but don’t go back 12 years?

Roe vs. Wade was 39 years ago? going on 40? 'Notwithstanding that for 30 years, every Repub appointment but one has been prolife? 12 years ago, up to 4 years ago, we had 7 Republican appointed justices and 2 appointed by Democrats. 2 of those appointments was by GWB. GWB in office 8 years, 2 with Republican controlled house and senate, and a 7 to 2 majority? 7 but 1 wasn’t pro life. That leaves 6 to 3. What happened that it didn’t come up during those 8 years? I mean what good is it to ‘stack’ the court and nothing happens?

 

[Teelynn]

He got 55% of the female vote. They voted for him so they can legally kill thier babies.

Well, sort of. They voted for him because they wanted “tax payer funded” abortions. Romney would not have overturned R vs W, but he would not have been a “promoter” of abortion on demand either. The lesser of two evils. Abortion would have been legal and available just as it has since R vs. W, maybe not as many clinics etc. And he MAY have defunded Planned Parenthood. Obama had the President of PP speak at his Convention! Talk about being in bed with them.

 

[livingwordunity]

Well, sort of. They voted for him because they wanted “tax payer funded” abortions. Romney would not have overturned R vs W, but he would not have been a “promoter” of abortion on demand either. The lesser of two evils. Abortion would have been legal and available just as it has since R vs. W, maybe not as many clinics etc. And he MAY have defunded Planned Parenthood. Obama had the President of PP speak at his Convention! Talk about being in bed with them.

I heard that the president of PP was going door to door telling people to vote for Obama. And PP not only has a tax free status but they receive millions a year in federal funding. Meanwhile, the Catholic Church gets scrutinized for even hinting at politics.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I heard that the president of PP was going door to door telling people to vote for Obama. And PP not only has a tax free status but they receive millions a year in federal funding. Meanwhile, the Catholic Church gets scrutinized for even hinting at politics.

I missed that. Can you please provide a source for the Catholic Church being scrutinized for hinting at politics?

Thanks,

 

[BroomWagon]

I have no right to judge other people but as for me and the household I grew up in, if I wasn’t a regular churchgoer, I wasn’t Catholic. It’s strange to break the Catholic demographic down like this to me. Especially since the doctrine of the Catholic Church requires us to attend Mass.

This reminds me of a joke and it’s clean.

I exercise religiously. Easter and Christmas!

 

[Diana_Catherine]

Sadly, I think its diminishment began a long time ago, because so many Catholics have either been inadequately catechized or have rationalized ways to defend evil because of their personal lives and/or political party affiliations. You don’t have to be on CAF too long to realize that, and CAF is one of the most faithfully Catholic sites to which one can go.

I agree, it does seem to me there is definitely inadequate catechism of the truth or maybe it is peoples desire to ignore the truth. Either way, what I got out of the results of the election is a need for faithful Catholics to reach out, to speak out and pray for all these people who are lost.

“I am worried about America! I am not so much worried about its politics and economics, important though they be: I am worried about its soul. After all, politics and economics are determined by the sense of values which underlies them.” Archbishop Fulton Sheen

 

[seekerz]

Well, sort of. They voted for him because they wanted “tax payer funded” abortions. Romney would not have overturned R vs W, but he would not have been a “promoter” of abortion on demand either. The lesser of two evils. Abortion would have been legal and available just as it has since R vs. W, maybe not as many clinics etc. And he MAY have defunded Planned Parenthood. Obama had the President of PP speak at his Convention! Talk about being in bed with them.

You can look inside of people’s heads to see why they voted for Obama? How about the “binders full” of single mothers who simply could not identify with “fend for yourself” economic policies, the women who demand to be a meaningful part of intelligent adult conversation rather than simply being the butt of it, the minorities who just will not take the stereotyping anymore…? Everybody doesn’t see abortion as the only issue on which to base a political decision.

 

[anp1215]

You can look inside of people’s heads to see why they voted for Obama? How about the “binders full” of single mothers who simply could not identify with “fend for yourself” economic policies, the women who demand to be a meaningful part of intelligent adult conversation rather than simply being the butt of it, the minorities who just will not take the stereotyping anymore…? Everybody doesn’t see abortion as the only issue on which to base a political decision.

Democrats treat women as though they are a meaningful part of intelligent adult conversation? That’s not how I feel when I’m being told to “vote with my lady parts.”

 

[BroomWagon]

You can look inside of people’s heads to see why they voted for Obama? How about the “binders full” of single mothers who simply could not identify with “fend for yourself” economic policies, the women who demand to be a meaningful part of intelligent adult conversation rather than simply being the butt of it, the minorities who just will not take the stereotyping anymore…? Everybody doesn’t see abortion as the only issue on which to base a political decision.

No they don’t, but INFANTICIDE quickly disqualifies Obama. So I’m not a ONE ISSUE VOTER, but have no place for someone who is this radical.

“Binders full” ? Huh?

Was it West Virgina where a Convict ran against Obama and got a big share of the vote because Obama couldn’t care less about West Virginia coal miners?

The binders? You won’t defend that because there is nothing wrong with it, the binders have resumes, this was made clear. Maybe you don’t understand it, people apply for jobs, the binder had resumes in it.

 

[BroomWagon]

Democrats treat women as though they are a meaningful part of intelligent adult conversation? That’s not how I feel when I’m being told to “vote with my lady parts.”

Exactly.

Obama campaign.

We will give women contraception and abortions.

We will support gay marriage.

We will pardon college debt which at least was on the table.

Everything the Democrats are doing is just trying to call people names, they called Romney a felon and accused him of having to do with the death of the wife of that miner, the woman died of cancer. The Obama campaign has played dirty pool.

 

[BroomWagon]

You can look inside of people’s heads to see why they voted for Obama? How about the “binders full” of single mothers who simply could not identify with “fend for yourself” economic policies, the women who demand to be a meaningful part of intelligent adult conversation rather than simply being the butt of it, the minorities who just will not take the stereotyping anymore…? Everybody doesn’t see abortion as the only issue on which to base a political decision.

Binders were full of resumes. That’s all that means.

Democrats see women as being nothing but sex objects, we’ll pay for birth control so you can have all the sex you want and we will pay for your abortions.

 

[BroomWagon]

You can look inside of people’s heads to see why they voted for Obama? How about the “binders full” of single mothers who simply could not identify with “fend for yourself” economic policies, the women who demand to be a meaningful part of intelligent adult conversation rather than simply being the butt of it, the minorities who just will not take the stereotyping anymore…? Everybody doesn’t see abortion as the only issue on which to base a political decision.

Sorry Seekerz, I was premature, Obama’s a great guy, his voting on live babies dying, infanticide. Prince Charming the guy is!