Obama won Catholic vote, regular churchgoers chose Romney [CC]

  • Thread starter Thread starter Catholic_Press
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
well THIS devout Catholic/Seminary candidate voted for Obama. and yes, i am in Church every sunday, multiple times a week, also praying in front of the Blessed Sacrement, praying my Rosary, saying my Divine Office, etc. yes, i am pro life too. believe it or not, we exist. i voted for him not because of his stances on maintaining the status quo on abortion, but in spite of it, and i voted because of the social issues. I just try to be the best Catholic i can be, and counsel others about moral issues when appropriate. God Bless.
And to some who trusted in themselves as just, and despised others, he spoke also this parable: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray: the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also is this publican. 12 I fast twice in a week: I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes towards heaven; but struck his breast, saying: O god, be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I say to you, this man went down into his house justified rather that the other: because every one that exalteth himself, shall be humbled: and he that humbleth himself, shall be exalted.
 
III. TO CHOOSE IN ACCORD WITH CONSCIENCE

1786 Faced with a moral choice, conscience can make either a right judgment in accordance with reason and the divine law or, on the contrary, an erroneous judgment that departs from them.

1787 Man is sometimes confronted by situations that make moral judgments less assured and decision difficult. But he must always seriously seek what is right and good and discern the will of God expressed in divine law.

1788 To this purpose, man strives to interpret the data of experience and the signs of the times assisted by the virtue of prudence, by the advice of competent people, and by the help of the Holy Spirit and his gifts.

1789 Some rules apply in every case:
  • One may never do evil so that good may result from it;
  • the Golden Rule: "Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them."56
  • charity always proceeds by way of respect for one’s neighbor and his conscience: "Thus sinning against your brethren and wounding their conscience . . . you sin against Christ."57 Therefore "it is right not to . . . do anything that makes your brother stumble."58
IV. ERRONEOUS JUDGMENT

1790 A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience. If he were deliberately to act against it, he would condemn himself. Yet it can happen that moral conscience remains in ignorance and makes erroneous judgments about acts to be performed or already committed.

1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man "takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin."59 In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.

1792 Ignorance of Christ and his Gospel, bad example given by others, enslavement to one’s passions, assertion of a mistaken notion of autonomy of conscience, rejection of the Church’s authority and her teaching, lack of conversion and of charity: these can be at the source of errors of judgment in moral conduct.

1793 If - on the contrary - the ignorance is invincible, or the moral subject is not responsible for his erroneous judgment, the evil committed by the person cannot be imputed to him. It remains no less an evil, a privation, a disorder. One must therefore work to correct the errors of moral conscience.

1794 A good and pure conscience is enlightened by true faith, for charity proceeds at the same time "from a pure heart and a good conscience and sincere faith."60

The more a correct conscience prevails, the more do persons and groups turn aside from blind choice and try to be guided by objective standards of moral conduct.61
IN BRIEF

1795 “Conscience is man’s most secret core, and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths” (GS 16).

1796 Conscience is a judgment of reason by which the human person recognizes the moral quality of a concrete act.

1797 For the man who has committed evil, the verdict of his conscience remains a pledge of conversion and of hope.

1798 A well-formed conscience is upright and truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity with the true good willed by the wisdom of the Creator. Everyone must avail himself of the means to form his conscience.

1799 Faced with a moral choice, conscience can make either a right judgment in accordance with reason and the divine law or, on the contrary, an erroneous judgment that departs from them.

1800 A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience.

1801 Conscience can remain in ignorance or make erroneous judgments. Such ignorance and errors are not always free of guilt.

1802 The Word of God is a light for our path. We must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. This is how moral conscience is formed.
 
What are you arguing for, or against in this statement. This is what I have been trying to get from you from the beginning, what do you believe in? Are you just angry? We had made some headway when you stated that you were “apathetic”. At least that made sense, but still you argue against the republican anything and never against the democrats who 100% of the time vote pro-death. What is your idea to fix this?
BTW Prodigal Son, you never responded to this.
 
I really appreciate you posting this. I voted for Obama as well. I did not vote for him because I agreed with his policies on everything, I don’t. I truly wish we had a better pick then we did. I voted for him based on social issues. I felt the republicans did not have the poor and most needy in our country in their best interests. It was in my opinion they don’t care and actually are repulsed by the needy and poor. I was really offended by the 47% remark Romney made. I refuse to believe that 47% are just looking for a handout. I truly believe in helping those less fortunate, they aren’t throw aways, and given a chance and some help can rise up to contribute in so many ways. I grew up poor and it was the kindness and social programs in place that allowed me to rise above my situation. I have a good job, I own a house, I pay taxes, I also believe that kindness that was shown to me needs to be put back into the world. It’s easy to say I got mine go get your own. I can’t do that, because if I wasn’t helped in my time of need I wouldn’t be where I am today.
Same here. My conversion to the faith has been recent and is still ongoing, but it was prompted by my realization that the Catholic church really has all the right answers on the issue of marriage and, once it was explained to me, the issue of contraception. For me to vote for Romney would have been a complete 180 from where I was 2 months ago - denouncing the war on women and supporting gay marriage, but I would have done it in a heartbeat if I didn’t feel so strongly opposed to Mitt Romney on a personal level. I was married to an emotionally abusive man who decided, when my youngest daughter was a week shy of a year old, that he didn’t want to be a husband and full-time Dad anymore. Anyway, after living that experience, I saw right through Mr. Romney, and it wasn’t pretty, let me tell you. ‘Sociopath’ is a strong word, but I think he might be at least butting up against that line. I don’t think the man can feel any empathy whatsoever. I would have rather not voted at all, I guess, but I asked the Lord many times to lead me, and when that did not result in any clear answer, I said, “Lord, this is what I plan to do - please direct me otherwise if it is your will.” Nothing. Today I am regretting my vote, as I finally ‘get’ why it isn’t acceptable to take the ‘It’s not up to me to tell others how to live their lives’ way out. But, at the same time, I would have regretted voting for Romney also for a number of reasons. I think that may be why the Lord was silent.
 
👍
Same here. My conversion to the faith has been recent and is still ongoing, but it was prompted by my realization that the Catholic church really has all the right answers on the issue of marriage and, once it was explained to me, the issue of contraception. For me to vote for Romney would have been a complete 180 from where I was 2 months ago - denouncing the war on women and supporting gay marriage, but I would have done it in a heartbeat if I didn’t feel so strongly opposed to Mitt Romney on a personal level. I was married to an emotionally abusive man who decided, when my youngest daughter was a week shy of a year old, that he didn’t want to be a husband and full-time Dad anymore. Anyway, after living that experience, I saw right through Mr. Romney, and it wasn’t pretty, let me tell you. ‘Sociopath’ is a strong word, but I think he might be at least butting up against that line. I don’t think the man can feel any empathy whatsoever. I would have rather not voted at all, I guess, but I asked the Lord many times to lead me, and when that did not result in any clear answer, I said, “Lord, this is what I plan to do - please direct me otherwise if it is your will.” Nothing. Today I am regretting my vote, as I finally ‘get’ why it isn’t acceptable to take the ‘It’s not up to me to tell others how to live their lives’ way out. But, at the same time, I would have regretted voting for Romney also for a number of reasons. I think that may be why the Lord was silent.
Oh yeah, Obama and his infanticide votes is Mr. Compassionate, isn’t he!! 👍

Romney is a family man and Obama Biden and their supporters don’t know what charity is. Romney gives millions to charity.

Obama Biden and their supporters should be happy with the jobs they have stolen from Americans that would have occurred under Romney but in the end, Obama/Democrats will be blamed for Taxageddon coming down the pipe as they should be.

Romney is a success, has given many people jobs. He has been a success and though our country made a mistake in not electing him, he has a life to go to. Your labels and what else do we expect from Democrat supporters but hurtful words and your vote was not needed by a man of the decency of Mitt Romney.
 
I agree this is not a right, it is a God given duty to defend the life of the child. You can defend the mother’s right to take the life of the child; I will try my best to take her right to choose to kill her child. You can paint me as the extremist but you would be wrong in God’s eyes, and nothing else matters.

If what you put forth is true then why stop there? I have three children, now my economic situation makes it impossible to feed all three, which one do I kill? They are my kids, and if you are consistent then it is my choice, right?

The only difference here is my living children can speak up for themselves, the unborn cannot. What is alike is that they are both life and are both God’s creation and must have us as a society FIGHT for them.

Again, you fight for the mother’s right to be selfish; I will fight for the child’s right to live. If this gets me labeled as extreme, I’ll take that label.
Wouldn’t another option be to help you in your situation so that you CAN feed all three children? Why are we so outspoken about making abortion illegal, but when it comes to taking care of women and children so that women aren’t put into the position of having to make such a horrible choice, there are very few advocates?
 
You should try to learn your faith. if you are Catholic like your profile shows you should know about material cooperation, direct cooperation, etc.

I think your second comment speaks for itself.:rolleyes:
My vision is that the pro-abortion and man who voted for infanticide is allied more with Lucifer. He doesn’t care about the jobs for a lot of people to where a prisoner received 40% of the vote in the West Virginia primary vs. Obama.

thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/federal-prisoner-fares-well-in-west-virginias-democratic-primary/
I know my faith and am grateful to God for the gift of discernment. I don’t have to learn Catechism from those who spread hatred.

You have your view. Might as well come out with something as outrageous.

There have been evil rulers too like Herod!
I know my Faith and am grateful to God for the gift of discernment. I don’t need to learn Catechism from those who spread hatred.

All hatred, negativity and bitterness will hurt none but those who have it.

No one can oppose or alter God’s Will and those who choose to remain in darkness will suffer in their chosen state.
 
I saw right through Mr. Romney, and it wasn’t pretty, let me tell you. ‘Sociopath’ is a strong word, but I think he might be at least butting up against that line. I don’t think the man can feel any empathy whatsoever.
This has to be one of the most bizarre posts I have seen.

Mr Obama supports abortion on demand, infanticide, homosexual “marriage” and abortion mills (Planned Parenthood). His party attempted to take God out of the party platform and the delegates booed when it was reversed.

So you go ahead and vote for him anyway… while accusing Mr Romney of being a sociopath who is incapable of empathy. Unbelievable! :nope:
 
This has to be one of the most bizarre posts I have seen.

Mr Obama supports abortion on demand, infanticide, homosexual “marriage” and abortion mills (Planned Parenthood). His party attempted to take God out of the party platform and the delegates booed when it was reversed.

So you go ahead and vote for him anyway… while accusing Mr Romney of being a sociopath who is incapable of empathy. Unbelievable! :nope:
Yes, I agree with you 100%!!

DAML72 - Please tell me how someone who gives millions to charity, paid for two quadriplegics to go to college, didn’t take a salary as governor or as chairman of the olympics, paid the milk bill for two years for a veteran’s hospital and shut down his business for several days to look for an employee’s child is a sociopath?

Where do people get this stuff?

A few days before the election, my newsfeed on Facebook was going nuts with people accusing Romney of banning tampons. Where does this stuff come from and why?

The man isn’t a saint, but is a good man. Do some research before spewing off talking points that have no basis from MSNBC.
 
A few days before the election, my newsfeed on Facebook was going nuts with people accusing Romney of banning tampons. Where does this stuff come from and why?

The man isn’t a saint, but is a good man. Do some research before spewing off talking points that have no basis from MSNBC.
Incredible isn’t it. :banghead:
 
👍

Oh yeah, Obama and his infanticide votes is Mr. Compassionate, isn’t he!! 👍

Romney is a family man and Obama Biden and their supporters don’t know what charity is. Romney gives millions to charity.

Obama Biden and their supporters should be happy with the jobs they have stolen from Americans that would have occurred under Romney but in the end, Obama/Democrats will be blamed for Taxageddon coming down the pipe as they should be.

Romney is a success, has given many people jobs. He has been a success and though our country made a mistake in not electing him, he has a life to go to. Your labels and what else do we expect from Democrat supporters but hurtful words and your vote was not needed by a man of the decency of Mitt Romney.
I’m sorry you don’t agree with me. Did I not say that I would have preferred not to vote for either?

And that’s all I’m going to say. I wouldn’t want to be uncharitable.
 
Democrats treat women as though they are a meaningful part of intelligent adult conversation? That’s not how I feel when I’m being told to “vote with my lady parts.”
Did the president tell someone to do that? I support him. That does not make me a Democrat or even a supporter of Democrats in general.

I knew without a doubt that Obama was going to win when I saw how much of the vitriol and bitterness of 2008 was dug up again for full, shameful display in 2012. *Nothing of value *can be achieved that springs from hatred.

God is speaking through all of these events. He can raise up stones to do His bidding - why should He heed the desires of those who toss His command of love behind their backs in pursuit of earthly success? He who has ears to hear, let him hear…
 
No they don’t, but INFANTICIDE quickly disqualifies Obama. So I’m not a ONE ISSUE VOTER, but have no place for someone who is this radical.

“Binders full” ? Huh?

Was it West Virgina where a Convict ran against Obama and got a big share of the vote because Obama couldn’t care less about West Virginia coal miners?

The binders? You won’t defend that because there is nothing wrong with it, the binders have resumes, this was made clear. Maybe you don’t understand it, people apply for jobs, the binder had resumes in it.
West Virginia? Seriously? Let’s not go there, please.

It’s enough that we have to discuss gathering binders of women like they are some sort of outside species leaders have to go out and search for and bring into the man cave…And yes, I know what binders contain - my comment was partly in jest.
 
The Blaze has this list up of companies issuing layoffs because the very compassionate Obama was reelected.

theblaze.com/stories/how-many-businesses-have-announced-closings-or-lay-offs-since-obama-won-a-second-term/

Thanks for these jobs lost to Obama and his supporters.
Obama and his supporters? Just think what you would have been saying today if Romney has won and Democrats had gone around firing people. May God grant the fired new and better jobs and until such time, may their unemployment checks keep on coming.
 
Romney won the Catholic vote, anyone who calls himself Catholic but does not go to his or her’s weekly obligation as said is not really Catholic.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top