Obama won Catholic vote, regular churchgoers chose Romney [CC]

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Pitcharan said:
I know my Faith and am grateful to God for the gift of discernment. I don’t need to learn Catechism from those who spread hatred.

All hatred, negativity and bitterness will hurt none but those who have it.
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Agreed. It’s sad, isn’t it.
 
Al_Moritz said:
Agreed. It’s sad, isn’t it.
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Not only sad, but also shocking. There are some who have openly posted stating that they have lost all faith and are taking to arms. Some openly rejecting their own salvation. Some who want to die. But all of them claiming that they are committed Catholics whose concern is about the murder of the helpless unborn babies.
 
But like some said, these abortions have been going on since the 70s, we have had many republican presidents, Ford, Regan, Bush 1 & 2. It’s a democracy, not a monarchy. Regardless of the president’s view on abortion, it was legal. With the times being as they are at the moment, I don’t see abortion changing anytime soon. What I envisioned with Romney was an even deeper depression than what Bush 2 put us in. More for the rich and less for the poor. If middle income families thought they were struggling financially with Obama, they wouldn’t know what hit them if Romney was president. As I understood Romney, it was about to be every man for himself, just like the first 150 years of this country.
 
NessFrancis said:
But like some said, these abortions have been going on since the 70s, we have had many republican presidents, Ford, Regan, Bush 1 & 2. It’s a democracy, not a monarchy. Regardless of the president’s view on abortion, it was legal. With the times being as they are at the moment, I don’t see abortion changing anytime soon. What I envisioned with Romney was an even deeper depression than what Bush 2 put us in. More for the rich and less for the poor. If middle income families thought they were struggling financially with Obama, they wouldn’t know what hit them if Romney was president. As I understood Romney, it was about to be every man for himself, just like the first 150 years of this country.
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If their concern was real, we would have certainly seen it in the past before Obama became President in 2008.

I get a feeling that they need some alibi to attack Obama who is hated without cause.

His alleged crime: not imposing murder penalty on aborting mothers.

Which country has such a law I wonder?

“Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs of my head” (Psalm 69:4a)
 
NessFrancis said:
But like some said, these abortions have been going on since the 70s, we have had many republican presidents, Ford, Regan, Bush 1 & 2. It’s a democracy, not a monarchy. Regardless of the president’s view on abortion, it was legal. With the times being as they are at the moment, I don’t see abortion changing anytime soon. What I envisioned with Romney was an even deeper depression than what Bush 2 put us in. More for the rich and less for the poor. If middle income families thought they were struggling financially with Obama, they wouldn’t know what hit them if Romney was president. As I understood Romney, it was about to be every man for himself, just like the first 150 years of this country.
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Precisely. 👍

But the stubborn delusion of the Tea Party Catholics persists.
 
NessFrancis said:
But like some said, these abortions have been going on since the 70s, we have had many republican presidents, Ford, Regan, Bush 1 & 2. It’s a democracy, not a monarchy. Regardless of the president’s view on abortion, it was legal. With the times being as they are at the moment, I don’t see abortion changing anytime soon. What I envisioned with Romney was an even deeper depression than what Bush 2 put us in. More for the rich and less for the poor. If middle income families thought they were struggling financially with Obama, they wouldn’t know what hit them if Romney was president. As I understood Romney, it was about to be every man for himself, just like the first 150 years of this country.
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Republican party was different in 1960s and 70s than it is now. If you chose which party would be more pro abortion you would of probably picked the republican party. Republican party became more pro life. Democrats who were pro life abandoned that stance to be cohorts with the abortion lobby and hollywood

Gerald Ford said he thought went ‘too far’ with Roe and was against ‘abortion on demand’ but was opposed to an anti abortion constitutional amendment. First Lady Betty Ford supported abortion

Reagon made errors. He wanted to nominate a woman to the supreme court, he chose Sandra O’Connor who was pro abortion even though he had reservations about her which he wrote of in his diary. Robert Bork was rejected by the supreme court and was opposed by pro abortion groups. Kennedy was influenced by the anti life culture of Washington D C

During his presidency the supreme court upheld many parts of Webster v. Reproductive Health Services that was based on ‘life of each human being begins at conception.’ Law forbade public facilities for abortion; no state employee could perform an abortion; fetal tests at 20 weeks rather than 24 which was established by roe for abortion

George H W Bush had a pro life record as president, he vetoed many pro abortion bills. Bush did not have many nominations for the supreme court so there was little he could do regarding the court to change the line up

Mrs Bush said roe v wade should not be overturned and that her husband and herself believe abortion should be reduced

1st presidential debate in 2000 W Bush declared that he would not try to overturn roe v Wade
Before Bush was elected as president, he said that he would support Supreme Court judges who would strictly interpret the Constitution. A strict stance on abortion, he indicated, would not rest at the top of his list of requirements for an appointee, though he had voiced strong personal opposition to most forms of the procedure. He said, “I will not have a litmus test for my judges, except for: Will the judge strictly interpret the Constitution, and not use the bench to write social policy?”
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None of the above change the fact that judges appointed by republican presidents are far more likely to uphold pro life regulations. Republican legislators are more likely to enact regulations of abortion. Republican executive branch administrators and officials are more likely to regulate rather than subsidise abortion
 
It’s really sad to read how misguided and poorly catechized a lot of Catholics are on this forum. People can blame others for the mess in the Church, but if you’re going to do that, ask yourself what you are doing to improve things. One person really does make a difference–Bl. Mother Teresa and many other saints have shown us that. You have a responsibility as a Catholic to inform your conscience according to the Teachings of the Church. The fact is that President Obama’s leadership, policies, and agenda are not in conformity with Church teaching.

The Church does an incredible amount of work in the social justice arena already, more so than other institutions. The social justice argument always comes up with dissident Catholics. If you are a Catholic and you are supporting abortion in any way, you are a cafeteria Catholic and are merely picking and choosing what to believe. You have to accept all of Christ’s teachings, not only the ones that jive with what’s best for you. That doesn’t just go for the laity, either.

Does this anger you? Will you say that I’m “not loving my brother”? Am I “spewing hatred”? Not at all. I’m simply telling you that if you are Catholic, that you are obliged to accept the Church’s teaching on ALL matters, not only the ones that “work” for you. Our Lord didn’t say that His Teachings were comfortable, but He did say that He is the Truth.
 
SeekingHisMercy said:
It’s really sad to read how misguided and poorly catechized a lot of Catholics are on this forum. People can blame others for the mess in the Church, but if you’re going to do that, ask yourself what you are doing to improve things. One person really does make a difference–Bl. Mother Teresa and many other saints have shown us that. You have a responsibility as a Catholic to inform your conscience according to the Teachings of the Church. The fact is that President Obama’s leadership, policies, and agenda are not in conformity with Church teaching.

The Church does an incredible amount of work in the social justice arena already, more so than other institutions. The social justice argument always comes up with dissident Catholics. If you are a Catholic and you are supporting abortion in any way, you are a cafeteria Catholic and are merely picking and choosing what to believe. You have to accept all of Christ’s teachings, not only the ones that jive with what’s best for you. That doesn’t just go for the laity, either.

Does this anger you? Will you say that I’m “not loving my brother”? Am I “spewing hatred”? Not at all. I’m simply telling you that if you are Catholic, that you are obliged to accept the Church’s teaching on ALL matters, not only the ones that “work” for you. Our Lord didn’t say that His Teachings were comfortable, but He did say that He is the Truth.
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There is a Buddhist saying…The hand that points to the moon, is not itself the moon. And so it is with the Church. You may find absolute truth within the institutional church to the exclusion of other wisdom traditions however many have a much larger God that is capable of loving all of his creation in all of its diversity. We must all take care to avoid dualistic thinking that “accuses” anyone that does not hold such fundamentalist perspectives…in the accusing, is sin.
 
SeekingHisMercy said:
Does this anger you? Will you say that I’m “not loving my brother”? Am I “spewing hatred”? Not at all. I’m simply telling you that if you are Catholic, that you are obliged to accept the Church’s teaching on ALL matters, not only the ones that “work” for you.
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Those who voted for a man who embraces abortion on demand, inafanticide, gay “marriage”, contraception, etc…have no justification according to Catholic teaching. Their only recourse is to hurl accusations of hatred.
 
_Abyssinia said:
…None of the above change the fact that judges appointed by republican presidents are far more likely to uphold pro life regulations. Republican legislators are more likely to enact regulations of abortion. Republican executive branch administrators and officials are more likely to regulate rather than subsidise abortion
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May be a very valid argument. I wish all arguments for Romney or against Obama had similar tone and language. God bless you.
 
Mickey said:
Those who voted for a man who embraces abortion on demand, inafanticide, gay “marriage”, contraception, etc…have no justification according to Catholic teaching. Their only recourse is to hurl accusations of hatred.
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Their justification or condemnation is nobody’s right and hatred has no place in civil society.
 
tskrobacz said:
There is a Buddhist saying…The hand that points to the moon, is not itself the moon.
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And there is a Biblical saying:

For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast protected me from my mother’s womb.
Ps 138 DR
 
tskrobacz said:
There is a Buddhist saying…The hand that points to the moon, is not itself the moon. And so it is with the Church. You may find absolute truth within the institutional church to the exclusion of other wisdom traditions however many have a much larger God that is capable of loving all of his creation in all of its diversity. We must all take care to avoid dualistic thinking that “accuses” anyone that does not hold such fundamentalist perspectives…in the accusing, is sin.
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Nicely said
 
SeekingHisMercy said:
… The fact is that President Obama’s leadership, policies, and agenda are not in conformity with Church teaching.
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Disagree
SeekingHisMercy said:
The Church does an incredible amount of work in the social justice arena already, more so than other institutions. The social justice argument always comes up with dissident Catholics. If you are a Catholic and you are supporting abortion in any way, you are a cafeteria Catholic and are merely picking and choosing what to believe. You have to accept all of Christ’s teachings, not only the ones that jive with what’s best for you. That doesn’t just go for the laity, either.
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Christ never taught that we should make penal laws to control human sinful behaviour.
SeekingHisMercy said:
Does this anger you? Will you say that I’m “not loving my brother”? Am I “spewing hatred”? Not at all. I’m simply telling you that if you are Catholic, that you are obliged to accept the Church’s teaching on ALL matters, not only the ones that “work” for you. Our Lord didn’t say that His Teachings were comfortable, but He did say that He is the Truth.
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Church taught us to vote according to our conscience. Church did not teach us to spread hatred for any reason.
 
Pitcharan said:
Disagree

Christ never taught that we should make penal laws to control human sinful behaviour.

Church taught us to vote according to our conscience. Church did not teach us to spread hatred for any reason.
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President Obama’s policies are in direct conflict with Catholic teachings. The fact that 34 catholic dioceses are suing his administration is clear proof of that or do you presume to know more than our Bishops?

If Christ never taught that we should make penal laws to control sinful behaviour does that mean that rapists shouldn’t go to jail?
 
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