Obama's State of the Union remarks

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I see one message from this speech coming through loud and clear: “Government’s job is to constantly impose regulations, entitlements, and appropriations upon its citizenry.” IE - If you aren’t expanding the State’s influence through laws you obviously aren’t doing your job. Yeah, I’m on-board with the “Party of No,” on this one. Your many-tentacled, godless monster of a bureaucracy can take a long walk off a short pier, Mr. President.

I’m not buying the ten-steps-forward-one-step-back song-and-dance act your media flaks are trying to peddle as “moderation” or “centrism,” either. The current Manhattan/Hollywood definition of “center” is light-years to the left of where it was 30 years ago. Don’t sell me a bill of goods on the merits of “centrism” when the center has no objective location, let alone value.

It is time to invest in the security of the savings of the elderly and the wages of our workers by assuming austerity measures instead of just printing more money. It is time to invest in job creation by eliminating Central Statist micromanagement of our industries - letting the citizens pick which businesses are winners and losers instead of your Csars. It is time to invest in our future by putting an end to the killing of children in the womb.

Mr. President, your speech wasn’t about investing in the United States; it was all about investing in the Central Government. News flash: it’s a ponzi scheme!
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That pretty much nails it. :yup: Simply more of the usual song and dance just wrapped up in a prettier package.

There is only one real reason the man would have toned it down and that is because he had his butt soundly handed to him back in November. Now instead of antagonizing the Republicans because they are the minority with no real power, he is going to have to woo them. There are too many of them now for him to continue the usual course.
 
There is only one real reason the man would have toned it down and that is because he had his butt soundly handed to him back in November. Now instead of antagonizing the Republicans because they are the minority with no real power, he is going to have to woo them. There are too many of them now for him to continue the usual course.
Which is what any losing politician does if he’s smart!
 
Well considering that the average liberal thinks so highly of themselves that they see all conservatives as intellectually below them, all I’ve got to say to Obama is go pound sand.

You think I’m stupid enough to actually believe this man after the last two years and the extremely liberal beliefs he holds?

He’s hoping that he can get re-elected and the subjects of this country will have forgotten everything and re-elect a Democrat controlled government again.

You libs can drool all over the place with this, hoping us conservatives will be happy with it. But it’s a good thing I’m not on CNN or MSNBC giving an official conservative response because it would have been censored out.
If you are looking for censorship of ideas you don’t like, you could watch Fox. They edited out the laughs and replaced them with crickets then claimed the president’s jokes fell flat.

Here is the unedited video of those jokes:
youtube.com/watch?v=9ZdEmjtF6HE&feature=player_detailpage#t=1696s
youtube.com/watch?v=9ZdEmjtF6HE&feature=player_detailpage#t=2572s
 
If you are looking for censorship of ideas you don’t like, you could watch Fox. They edited out the laughs and replaced them with crickets then claimed the president’s jokes fell flat.

Here is the unedited video of those jokes:
youtube.com/watch?v=9ZdEmjtF6HE&feature=player_detailpage#t=1696s
youtube.com/watch?v=9ZdEmjtF6HE&feature=player_detailpage#t=2572s
And the obligatory “fox news is evil” post shows up at number 43. Now that we have disposed of the Bush is evil(post 32) and Fox news is evil posts perhaps we can get back to the topic at haNd
 
Keep going to the logical conclusion:

NO more middle class
That is indeed the goal of the modern GOP. That they have some many middle class people marching in lock step and repeating their talking points is a stroke of genius. It is almost Orwellian.

Opposing affordable Health Care is being Pro-Life.

Cutting funding is how we reduce dept.

Cutting our education funds is how we will stay competitive in an increasingly high tech environment.

Polluting the Earth and opposing green jobs is steward ship of the planet.

I can go on and on.

An should this go on this will be our future:

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That is indeed the goal of the modern GOP. That they have some many middle class people marching in lock step and repeating their talking points is a stroke of genius. It is almost Orwellian.

Opposing affordable Health Care is being Pro-Life.

Cutting funding is how we reduce dept.

Cutting our education funds is how we will stay competitive in an increasingly high tech environment.

Polluting the Earth and opposing green jobs is steward ship of the planet.

I can go on and on.

An should this go on this will be our future:

Link
This post fails to grasp the real issues Republicans have with some of the left’s ideology.

We all want the same things for our country, but disagree with how to achieve it. Your demonizing people who disagree with you reflects the shallowness of the thought process of some on the left. :(:mad:
 
I listened and what I took away from it was that our president was throwing bones to the various unions that would be recipients of his “investments”. Meanwhile, we are in debt up to our eyeballs and he wants to spend more money. Government spending has never gotten us out of financial straits and it never will. I smell a new stimulous coming on when we can’t begin to pay for the other “investments” we have made. And anyone who believes he really wants tort reform is drinking something intoxicating…
 
That is indeed the goal of the modern GOP. That they have some many middle class people marching in lock step and repeating their talking points is a stroke of genius. It is almost Orwellian.
Qui already hit on this, but I want to make the point clear. Neither the GOP nor the Democrats disagree on most ends. Indeed, both the GOP and the Democrats want exactly what you pointed out: affordable health care, better education, care for the environment, etc. But your entire post clarifies the exact point many of us have been making: you are focused on the means. You capitalize “Health Care” to imply the means being state run. You say “cutting funding” and “cutting education funds” show your emphasis on the means (the $$$).

There is no doubt the GOP and the Democrats disagree on the means. But you cannot conclude from that fact that the GOP has different ends in mind. The GOP does not want to health care to be expensive, does not want education to flounder, and does not want to pollute the earth.

The usual ploy of the left is to say the Republicans want granny to die (re: the Clintonian era) or granny’s SS check (re: the Bush SS reform). By saying the GOP disagrees with means they must also disagree on ends is ridiculous. And you are doing the same thing here.
 
And the obligatory “fox news is evil” post shows up at number 43. Now that we have disposed of the Bush is evil(post 32) and Fox news is evil posts perhaps we can get back to the topic at haNd
How long does it take for the obligatory “Obama is evil” and “All Democrats are evil” posts to show up? Faster, I think, than the obligatory Bush bashing. I ought to start counting. 😃
 
I listened and what I took away from it was that our president was throwing bones to the various unions that would be recipients of his “investments”. Meanwhile, we are in debt up to our eyeballs and he wants to spend more money. Government spending has never gotten us out of financial straits and it never will. I smell a new stimulous coming on when we can’t begin to pay for the other “investments” we have made. And anyone who believes he really wants tort reform is drinking something intoxicating…
I was listening to NPR’s “Fact Check” this morning. Glowing reports on how correct Obama was. Except for the part about tort reform.
JULIE ROVNER: Well, first of all, on his claim that it’s a quarter of a trillion dollars to repeal the health care law, that is pretty close to what the Congressional Budget Office said. They actually the number is $230 billion over 10 years. On medical malpractice reform, it’s interesting - what the fact sheet the White House put out said is that the president supports state laws. The of course, the Republicans in Congress want to do federal caps on damages. But even if they were to come together, that’s really a tiny, tiny percentage of health care spending. So that wouldn’t do very much to bring down health care costs, even if they could come to some kind of an agreement.
Pres. OBAMA: With more research and incentives, we can break our dependence on oil with bio-fuels and become the first country to have a million electric vehicles on the road by 2015.
Tell us: How far is the U.S. from that goal now?
ELIZABETH SHOGREN: Well, the new electric cars are just starting to come out. The Chevy Volt says they’ll bring 45,000 in 2012. That’s a long way from the million cars that the president’s talking about.
He also talked about bringing out clean electricity, and he included a lot of different sources of energy in that, even natural gas and what he called clean coal. He wants to strive for a goal of 80 percent by 2035. And that’s a very ambitious goal, especially because he’s going to get a lot of pushback from Republicans in Congress.
MONTAGNE: Ambitious to the point where you would suggest it’s not doable.
SHOGREN: **Not with this Congress. **
 
There is no doubt the GOP and the Democrats disagree on the means. But you cannot conclude from that fact that the GOP has different ends in mind. The GOP does not want to health care to be expensive, does not want education to flounder, and does not want to pollute the earth.

The usual ploy of the left is to say the Republicans want granny to die (re: the Clintonian era) or granny’s SS check (re: the Bush SS reform). By saying the GOP disagrees with means they must also disagree on ends is ridiculous. And you are doing the same thing here.
I’m sorry but the ultimate goals are very different. When Gingrich (just today) proposes getting rid of the EPA, and the GOP generally comes down against any and all pollution regulations how can anyone say they have a commitment to the environment?

When they’ve proposed doing away with the Department of Education since the '80’s, have recently come down on the side of For-Profit schools and seek to defund schools at every turn how can anyone say they have a commitment to education?

When they GOP gets millions upon millions upon millions of dollars from hospitals and insurance companies and drug companies ($125,000 for every hour Congress was in session and that was back in 2008 I can’t imagine what it is now) to keep Americans wedded to crushing medical debt and inferior if not non-existent care how can anyone say they have a commitment to affordable health care?

It’s not ridiculous, they’ve chosen to stand firmly against the middle class and the American people in general and they demonstrate it at every opportunity.

How they convince people otherwise is beyond me.
 
Qui already hit on this, but I want to make the point clear. Neither the GOP nor the Democrats disagree on most ends. Indeed, both the GOP and the Democrats want exactly what you pointed out: affordable health care, better education, care for the environment, etc. But your entire post clarifies the exact point many of us have been making: you are focused on the means. You capitalize “Health Care” to imply the means being state run. You say “cutting funding” and “cutting education funds” show your emphasis on the means (the $$$).
Ah yes I forgot that part. The Rights wanting it all but not having to pay for it.

Also there is a difference between investing and spending. Investments you get back plus interests.
How long does it take for the obligatory “Obama is evil” and “All Democrats are evil” posts to show up? Faster, I think, than the obligatory Bush bashing. I ought to start counting. 😃
Remember Rich it is only wrong when Liberals like me do it. Also be careful the infraction baiting is starting up.
 
When they GOP gets millions upon millions upon millions of dollars from hospitals and insurance companies and drug companies ($125,000 for every hour Congress was in session and that was back in 2008 I can’t imagine what it is now) to keep Americans wedded to crushing medical debt and inferior if not non-existent care how can anyone say they have a commitment to affordable health care?

It’s not ridiculous, they’ve chosen to stand firmly against the middle class and the American people in general and they demonstrate it at every opportunity.

How they convince people otherwise is beyond me.
Not according to this
In the 2008 election cycle, the sector comprising the finance, insurance, and real estate industries ranked first in campaign contributions, and the health sector ranked sixth. For all federal elections, the health sector donated more to Democrats (54%) than to Republicans (46%), and the insurance industry donated more to Republicans (55%) than to Democrats (45%). Before 2008, the last time that Democrats raised more than Republicans did from health care interests was 1992, when Bill Clinton was elected president, and the last time they raised more from the insurance industry was for the 1990 Congressional elections.
So far in the 2010 election cycle, the Democrats’ fund-raising advantage has increased. The health sector has sent 59% of its contributions to Democrats and 41% to Republicans; the insurance industry has split its contributions 54% for Democrats and 46% for Republicans. The Democrats have a broad advantage; they have received 57% of the contributions from the pharmaceutical and health care products industries, 71% of those from hospitals and nursing homes, and 55% of those from health care professionals (including physicians and nurses).
The early data for 2010 primarily reflect donations from PACs, which account for about half of contributions from the health sector and about two thirds of contributions from insurers. Notably, the health sector has contributed more than any other sector to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and to House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD), most of which is from PACs. In the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has been the top recipient of contributions from health care professionals as well as from hospitals and nursing homes.
healthpolicyandreform.nejm.org/?p=2358
 
I’m sorry but the ultimate goals are very different. When Gingrich (just today) proposes getting rid of the EPA, and the GOP generally comes down against any and all pollution regulations how can anyone say they have a commitment to the environment?
Unless you work in an energy producing field you will never realize how ignorant and costly some regulations are. If I’m not mistaken, the most important regulations are against state laws and therefore redundant. There are old retired people who may own a couple little oil wells that make half a barrel a day who have to abide by the same regulations as those with leases making several thousand barrels of fluid.
When they’ve proposed doing away with the Department of Education since the '80’s, have recently come down on the side of For-Profit schools and seek to defund schools at every turn how can anyone say they have a commitment to education?
They have been funneling money for years through the DoE, we have adopted lotteries to help fund schools, and for the past 20 years of my life I have seen our local schools lose more and more programs for lack of funding. And all I hear about is more teachers complaining about not getting paid enough while Superintendents in Class B schools get 6 figures.
When they GOP gets millions upon millions upon millions of dollars from hospitals and insurance companies and drug companies ($125,000 for every hour Congress was in session and that was back in 2008 I can’t imagine what it is now) to keep Americans wedded to crushing medical debt and inferior if not non-existent care how can anyone say they have a commitment to affordable health care?
It’s not ridiculous, they’ve chosen to stand firmly against the middle class and the American people in general and they demonstrate it at every opportunity.
How they convince people otherwise is beyond me.
I’m middle class, they don’t have to convince me at all. All I have to do is look around, and what I see is that the more government gets involved, the more regulations that are passed, the worse off we all are. Go figure.
 
I’m sorry but the ultimate goals are very different. When Gingrich (just today) proposes getting rid of the EPA, and the GOP generally comes down against any and all pollution regulations how can anyone say they have a commitment to the environment?
Again, the focus on the means. Do you think the EPA is the only way to approach protecting the environment? Just because we disagree on the means doesn’t mean we disagree on the ends. Or do you think the GOP really wants poisonous streams and acid rain? That’s what they want?
When they’ve proposed doing away with the Department of Education since the '80’s, have recently come down on the side of For-Profit schools and seek to defund schools at every turn how can anyone say they have a commitment to education?
And again, a focus on the means. Many of us conservatives believe that the federal government should not be involved in education doesn’t mean we think that education is unimportant. Do you really think the GOP wants stupid, illiterate children? Or could it possibly be that the GOP think the needs of the education system are better served at the state and local level than at the federal level?

Note also that the federal government provides hardly any of the funding of education here in the US. Even if more $$$ were to translate to results (which it hasn’t and doesn’t) how does federal involvement create a better outcome? Elimination of the DofEducation would have hardly any impact on the state of education and in fact, would save us money. And many of us conservatives also think it would improve things, since it would get rid of many of the handcuffs state and local school districts are forced to wear.
When they GOP gets millions upon millions upon millions of dollars from hospitals and insurance companies and drug companies ($125,000 for every hour Congress was in session and that was back in 2008 I can’t imagine what it is now) to keep Americans wedded to crushing medical debt and inferior if not non-existent care how can anyone say they have a commitment to affordable health care?
Do you really think the GOP wants people to have crushing medical debt? So instead of crushing personal debt we should have crushing public debt instead? Applying your argument, the Democrats want “to keep Americans wedded to crushing [public] debt and inferior if non-existent care how can anyone say they have a commitment to affordable health care?”

The point is that the GOP believes as much in affordable health care, but they completely disagree with a federal solution. In fact, many of us conservatives think that getting the government out of the way will bring down prices and improve quality and outcomes. Mandates–those government imposed restrictions–drive up costs. Disproportionate lawsuit rewards–those that are government imposed, sanctioned, or tolerated–drive up costs. Less government as a means, which is what the GOP proposes, we think can lead to the same ends.

But of course, the left rejects those means as stupid or unfair, and then erroneously concludes that our ends are just as stupid or unfair. Wrong conclusion.
It’s not ridiculous, they’ve chosen to stand firmly against the middle class and the American people in general and they demonstrate it at every opportunity.
You keep focusing on the means. If we disagree with your means, we must be cruel and heartless. I don’t think the Democrats are evil, I just think their policies are stupid and destructive. I could say the Democrats have “chosen to stand firmly against the middle class and the American people in general and they demonstrate it at every opportunity,” but that would mean I’ve fallen into the same trap. I think the Democrats are misguided in their attempts, but I do think their attempts are sincere. Yet it seems that the left can’t extend the same courtesy to the right. Since you disagree with the means, you think our ends are just as wrong.

Sigh.
 
Ah yes I forgot that part. The Rights wanting it all but not having to pay for it.
They want the same ends, but they don’t think the government should pay for it. See the difference?
Also there is a difference between investing and spending. Investments you get back plus interests.
Really? How’s the government track record on those investments? How’s the USPS doing? How’s the flood insurance program doing? What about BIH? What about NIH?

Oh yeah, they are losing billions of dollars. That’s what you call “investment”?

Gotta love the spin. It used to be government subsidies. Then it became “stimulus”. Now it is “investment”. :rolleyes:

A rose by any other name…
 
Really? How’s the government track record on those investments? How’s the USPS doing? How’s the flood insurance program doing? What about BIH? What about NIH?

Oh yeah, they are losing billions of dollars. That’s what you call “investment”?

Gotta love the spin. It used to be government subsidies. Then it became “stimulus”. Now it is “investment”. :rolleyes:

A rose by any other name…
I have a feeling “investment” is going to be the 2011 buzzword. Sputnik doesn’t seem to have the same panache.
 
Reminded me of hot air popcorn, with a hint of butter…Like others said…Investments =$$$
Green is the way…Was interesting the one solar panel company he touted 2 years ago, shipped the jobs off to China…Our kids shold be spending more time in the indoctrination centers like the Chinese…Rail is the future when it has to be revamped and subsidized…

We had a knock down drag out today in Pa…Overwhelmed Dems that were left after Pa cleaned house got mad today and stormed out…They were changing a lot of procedural stuff
the previous Dems had in place…There was cussing then one Dem through a packet of papers at someone and stormed out and the rest followed…Going to be an interesting two years ahead…
 
Like others said…Investments =$$$
Of course it does but that doesn’t necessarily mean increasing spending.We should be evaluating what we’re already spending money on and reallocating. The DOD could and should take a bare minimum 25% budget cut since it can’t even account for 25% of it’s expenditures. So while the right wing moans and groans about spending $150 billion a year on providing health care to the tens of millions of Americans who need it; $165.95 BILLION allocated to the DOD just dissapeares every year and they’re not saying a word about it. The Federal government would save $1.7 TRILLION over 10 years or could reallocate a portion of that towards healthcare, education, and infrastructure repair and improvement.
Rail is the future when it has to be revamped and subsidized…
Of course. The reason why passenger rail is on the verge of demise in this country is because we have no high speed trains. Most passenger trains go between 30-50mph so no one wants to pay the bucks to take a train when they could get to their destination faster in a car. That will change when we catch up with the rest of the world and invest in high speed rail.
 
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