Occult Items-what should I do with them?

[Reuben_J]

DihydrogenOxide:

I would want to do all or more than is necessary to rid myself of it.
A relative of mine had a terrible experience with ouija boards. Every time he tried to get rid of it, it appeared again within his apartment. You want to do everything you can to rid yourself of the demons.

That’s what I meant - you do not have to if you believe that the power of God is greater. You need to focus on the basic because anything else can be superfluous and in fact can distract you from focusing on what that really drives Satan away.

So what drives Him away (demons by the way are lesser evil)?

First:
The person has to make that decision to reject him and to accept and acknowledge Jesus as the Savior. Sometimes we underestimate this but nothing happen without this perquisite. Rejection of him is repentance but repentance always involves conversion. So not only you reject Satan and all that he stands for, but you will also adopt a new life of accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior, both of which the OP has done.

Second:
It is prayer & prayer & prayer & prayer. Of course an experienced exorcist would know exactly what to pray or for that matter, any mature Catholics who have experience in doing this to pray for deliverance.

So why do you need the unnecessary? I am not totally against them but for the reason above. In people who do not have clear understanding of what deliverance and exorcism is all about, the other things that you do would merely bring the focus somewhere else and distract from the main objective. In many cases, Satan just simply exploits this and confuses the victims resulting in lack of focus, uncertainty and faith. How about if you sprinkle salt and Satan laughs at you? And he is capable of doing that, what with his trickery and deception.

What is faith here? It is the power of God that’s greater than the Evil One. The person needs to believe this. It is not blessed salt or anything else that drives away demons or exorcising evils.

DihydrogenOxide:

Holy sacramentals are prayerful objects of the Church. They are ex opere operantis, or through the pious use of the user. Your prayerfulness and belief that God can rid you of evil by the use of the holy sacramentals is key.

It should be the other way round, shouldn’t it be?

The use of Sacramental objects is nothing and of no use if you do not believe, do not make any effort by your action to reject Satan and your acceptance of God. Then it is prayer, lots of prayer, because it is warfare – spiritual warfare. Only then sacramental articles - as symbols. In themselves alone, they are of no use. When we use them it is from our belief system which is in our hearts. Sometimes we see too much movies and thought they must be done that way. Movies emphasize drama and so unnecessarily put more importance on what is the least important.

DihydrogenOxide:

Sure you can do deliverance prayers, but if the object itself is possessed, it may not help at all, and you don’t want to play around spiritually with a possessed item if you can just get rid of it.

Satan does have place if you want him there or not, because we are within his realm, on earth. For instance, my house has demonic manifestations that the parish priest is trying rid us of at this point in time. They came about because of spiritualist ritualists who were renting before we moved into the place. They willed that the demonic should dwell in our house. Sure, the power of God is greater, but the power of mine is not greater. Jesus, in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar is greater, which is why we are having Masses said. Sacramentals would not drive them out, nor would prayer of many prayer warriors, nor would casting out prayers by the priest.

Repentance and renunciation are the first step, but you can’t remove a living being by repentance and renunciation. Try removing a horse from your kitchen by rebuking it. You can’t. Someone has opened the door to allowing the demon into the objects, thus it will cling to it.

Sorry, I disagree with you here. Without repentance and renunciation, anything you do will not last. Priests/exorcists are not magicians nor do they have power on their own. The power of God can only be harnessed if we want it. We want it by rejecting what does not belong to Him and make an effort to be truly remorseful of our past action and then the next step is to accept Him.

Without this, you may exorcise the demons at that very moment because priests are ministers of God, but there is no guarantee tehy will not return.

DihydrogenOxide:

This use of holy salt and burying the objects has been found to work very well in keeping the demons within the objects at bay. Exorcist priests have recommended this. Since I believe they have greater experience than I, I figured I would suggest it to her.

Sure, I agree with that as being explained but if I tell a person who is about to receive RCIA, I would tell her first what’s more important so as not to distract and confuse.

It is OK. I think mine is just a clarification of my thought. It is not to say that you are entirely wrong.

God bless.

 

[Rachel_1]

She certainly did. Hence, the vast replies.

I posted it here at first because I had a question and thought maybe I could get the answer here instead of bothering my Priest. As the thread progressed I got some conflicting answers so I went to my Priest with it, he seemed to not ‘get it’ but I think that was my fault because I didn’t go into detail with him like I have here. Then someone in the thread mentioned talking to an exorcist so I contacted the Archdiocese and that’s where I’m at now.
The Priest that will be calling me from the Archdiocese will also be talking with my Priest so everyone is on the same page.
I want to also state again, for the record, I highly doubt I’m possessed or anything like that. It’s just for a simple question of how I should get rid of these items… whatever the exorcist Priest says I will do, and then, I’ll let everyone here know what his advice was… that way everyone knows if it’s just random junk laying around my house or if it could be something more than that.
Also, I agree that there are likely replies here that are just in reply to my initial posting, so don’t be too hard on people that don’t have the time nor the patience to go through all the posts

 

[Rachel_1]

One more thing, when the exorcist does call, I’m going to try to let him know a sample of what all of you have said in my explaining to him… from those saying that the objects are nothing more than just ‘stuff’ and have no power all the way to those that said if I burn some of it, that demons can come back and hassle me… and everything in between. LOL I may just give him a link to this thread (it would probably be easier, but he may be too busy to come read it). I want to make sure that he is fully aware of my situation and concerns and what everyone has told me, that way no matter what, I get the right answer.
If it’s just junk, I’ll toss it, if it’s more, I’ll do whatever he recommends.

 

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

Yep, good explanation of reiki. I got my attunments privately from a high level reiki master, I wasn’t even charged money (as most do and are encouraged to do), instead, I paid with food, friendship, and recipes.

Reiki came to the West a few years back when a woman was healed in a Buddhist Monastery and after much begging was given the secrets on proviso she would not charge money as then the practice would lose its effectiveness, become corrupt and die out. She was initiated into the lineage and came West where she taught. Some of her students started charging money. Now we have 2 streams - one authentic one not.

 

[donanobis]

Well, I think the church does see a civil marriage as valid, until it’s proven invalid-the reason I say this is because when someone has been married before it has to go through the tribunal to determine if it’s valid or not, so I’m assuming that they make the assumption that all marriages are valid until proven otherwise. I’m not a expert by any means though, so I could be completely wrong here, just going off experience because I had to deal with the tribunal for my prior marriages, which were found invalid.

Civil marriage is a valid one but not a sacramental one in the eyes of the church so it doesn’t need to be annulled. The civil ceremony needs to be blessed to make it sacramental. In your case, I am not sure how or where a handfasting ceremony qualifies but your Bishop should know.

The USCCB website has this to say:

Frequently Asked Questions about Marriage

1. What is the difference between a valid and an invalid Catholic marriage?

Just as individual states have certain requirements for civil marriage (e.g., a marriage license, blood tests), the Catholic Church also has requirements before Catholics can be considered validly married in the eyes of the Church. A valid Catholic marriage results from four elements: (1) the spouses are free to marry; (2) they freely exchange their consent; (3) in consenting to marry, they have the intention to marry for life, to be faithful to one another and be open to children; and (4) their consent is given in the presence of two witnesses and before a properly authorized Church minister. Exceptions to the last requirement must be approved by church authority.

dona

 

[Khrystyne]

Hello,
My exorcism priest told me to destroy the occult items so that they would not fall into anothers hand,but I don’t think anyone here really knows or has had any experience with this. Like I had expressed earlier it will be difficult to find understanding in the church concerning this topic. For lack of experience and the like.

God Bless,
Khrystyne

 

[jen_fla]

read the personal story of marcia at www.christiananswersforthenewage.org and keep an open mind. lot’s to learn on this website.

i don’t want to derail this thread, but her story is fine, but her links are not. i wouldn’t keep posting this website on different threads as there is much theological anti-Catholic garbage to be found.

that’s all. :tiphat: peace!

 

[jen_fla]

Wow, so some Catholic places are using reiki? I was a reiki II practitioner. Reiki is NOT from God, I can guarantee that. You get it from an attunement that is passed down, and you listen/feel for ‘guides’ that help you during the reiki sesson.
Reiki is not just some innocent form of ‘healing’, not when the ‘guides’ are involved.

i have never heard of any Catholic places using reiki, but i am sure many Catholic individuals have given it a try. many probably just seeing it as another form of massage and then get ticked when they realized they should have gotten the swedish type.

 

[jewells17]

i don’t want to derail this thread, but her story is fine, but her links are not. i wouldn’t keep posting this website on different threads as there is much theological anti-Catholic garbage to be found.

that’s all. :tiphat: peace!

please be specific. thanks.

 

[jewells17]

i don’t want to derail this thread, but her story is fine, but her links are not. i wouldn’t keep posting this website on different threads as there is much theological anti-Catholic garbage to be found.

that’s all. :tiphat: peace!

I found one of the links you are speaking of. I live in an area with alot of occult activity and Marcias story is far too valuable to not post it because of some links on her site. I never post it unless the topic is the occult, paganism or related topics. I support her story and will post it…I know too many people caught in this stuff that can and have been helped by her. On one link I saw some of our beliefs challenged and negated …but knowing this can help us pray for and evangelize them. We should not be afraid to take a look at what they don’t understand or believe about us. So…if I feel her story (not every link on her site) will help anyone caught in the occult…I will share it with them and you are the first to object.

 

[Rachel_1]

Ok, I just got off the phone with the exorcist.
He is one of only 12 officially trained and recognized exorcist priests in the US, so I’m going with his recommendation. I also let him know that there is this thread here, which he was already aware of this forum.
He said what I should do with the items I have is either a) throw them in a lake or b) bury them. He said that the books can be burnt with the rest of my garbage (I live in the middle of nowhere just outside of city limits so I burn my garbage).
I have a lake near my house (actually two), so the heavy items I’m going to toss in the lake (or I’d have to dig a large hole lol), and the rest I’ll bury. He also said that I want to make sure that where ever I bury them or whatever lake I use, that it should be somewhere that nobody will find the items.
There you go… .a clear answer.
Hopefully, this thread will help others coming out of witchcraft into the Church

 

[adstrinity]

Excellent! Thank you for the update, Rachel!

 

[Rachel_1]

FYI, when burning books, do them one at a time or you’ll be out there for 2 hours with a shovel sifting them around trying to get them all to burn…
Also, don’t try to throw stuff in a FROZEN LAKE lol

 

[Geocacher]

I think most have seen my story and how I came to the Church.
I was baptized as a baby Catholic, but not raised Catholic, and God miraculously brought me out of witchcraft to the Church. I’m still in RCIA but I’m being ‘fast tracked’ to Confirmation and the Sacraments before Easter. My husband is still living the pagan type life.
I’ve had all sorts of bad stuff happen to me recently and I’m fairly certain that these things are a spiritual attack of some sort. Tonight while praying for another member it hit me… like a ton of bricks why I may still have this ickky stuff going on with me.
I still have all these occult items in my house… they are ‘put away’ (my stuff, not my husbands), but they are still here because I’m afraid my husband will freak if I get rid of them… we have A LOT of this stuff in the house… tarot cards, a handmade wand made by a ‘high priest’ that has a ‘spirit’ attached to it, crystals with ‘spirits’ attached to them, channeling boards, massive amounts of occult books (not put up) etc.
So I’m feeling really gross right now as it hit me all this stuff is still here even though most of it is out of sight except the books. I have this feeling of utter despair right now after praying and realizing this.
I know my husband will likely freak out, but I’m planning to burn all the books, channeling board, tarot cards and all burnable stuff on his next work day (Tuesday), maybe he won’t notice ~shrug~. My question is, what do I do with the stuff that’s not burnable, like the crystals and things?
FYI- if you’re pagan and ask me for this stuff, the answer will be no.

I have been watching “Paranormal State”, seems like they are Catholics, that go into people’s homes to rid those homes of the bad spirits, and they also have to rid the homes of that occult stuff. If it continues, you could call them up. On Paranormal State, they are often using Catholic prayers to rid the house of the bad spirits.

The occult is very unsafe, in that alot of people may play with a Spirit Board, and by doing so, they invite bad spirits in the Home, and also leaving the Door Open, allowing other spirits to come in the home, to cause trouble for the humans.

 

[DihydrogenOxide]

you do not have to if you believe that the power of God is greater. So what drives Him away (demons by the way are lesser evil)?

…So not only you reject Satan and all that he stands for, but you will also adopt a new life of accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior, both of which the OP has done.

You must believe God is greater. satan is a demon. That really goes without saying. If you still want to be a demon’s buddy, you are obviously going to have a very hard time getting rid of it.

It is prayer…any mature Catholics who have experience in doing this to pray for deliverance.

Exorcists pray these prayers with the power of the Church. Every catholic should have experience with deliverance prayer. It still isn’t as powerful as a priest.

So why do you need the unnecessary? In many cases, Satan just simply exploits this and confuses the victims resulting in lack of focus, uncertainty and faith. How about if you sprinkle salt and Satan laughs at you?

Sure, but the sacramentals have power over him through the Church, which is highly humiliating to him…Sacramentals are Christo-centric as are all prayers. Placing holy salt on the item and burying it are standard practices for possessed items. The sacramental is used to keep the demon under the Church’s thumb, so to speak. If you were in an actual fight. wouldn’t you use any tool in your grasp to subdue your mortal enemy if it would help you to defeat it?

Only then sacramental articles - as symbols. In themselves alone, they are of no use. When we use them it is from our belief system which is in our hearts.

Yeah, God is ridding you of evil through sacramentals. Try sprinkling a demon with water and then holy water, and you’ll see the difference right away. He laughs at water that is not holy.

They are not merely symbols as prayer is not merely symbolic. There is no drama and it’s not only superstition as you seem to suppose.

CCC

• 1667

“Holy Mother Church has, moreover, instituted sacramentals. These are sacred signs which bear a resemblance to the sacraments. They signify effects, particularly of a spiritual nature, which are obtained through the intercession of the Church. By them men are disposed to receive the chief effect of the sacraments, and various occasions in life are rendered holy.”

• 1670 Sacramentals do not confer the grace of the Holy Spirit in the way that the sacraments do, but by the Church’s prayer, they prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it. “For well-disposed members of the faithful, the liturgy of the sacraments and sacramentals sanctifies almost every event of their lives with the divine grace which flows from the Paschal mystery of the Passion, Death, and Resurrection of Christ. From this source all sacraments and sacramentals draw their power. There is scarcely any proper use of material things which cannot be thus directed toward the sanctification of men and the praise of God.”

Without repentance and renunciation, anything you do will not last. Priests/exorcists are not magicians nor do they have power on their own. We want it by rejecting what does not belong to Him and make an effort to be truly remorseful of our past action and then the next step is to accept Him.

No, they’re not magicians. They are more powerful with God than you or I, though, since they were ordained in persona Christi. The rest of your post is very clearly a perspective of a protestant, likely an evangelical protestant denomination like a pentecostal.

We don’t “harness” the power of God. God wills it.

Someone saying they accept Jesus isn’t going to scare a demon at all. It’d probably laugh at them and bother them some more.

CCC
1673

When the Church asks publicly and authoritatively in the name of Jesus Christ that a person or object be protected against the power of the Evil One and withdrawn from his dominion, it is called exorcism. Jesus performed exorcisms and from him the Church has received the power and office of exorcizing.In a simple form, exorcism is performed at the celebration of Baptism. The solemn exorcism, called “a major exorcism,” can be performed only by a priest and with the permission of the bishop. The priest must proceed with prudence, strictly observing the rules established by the Church. Exorcism is directed at the expulsion of demons or to the liberation from demonic possession through the spiritual authority which Jesus entrusted to his Church.

Without this, you may exorcise the demons at that very moment because priests are ministers of God, but there is no guarantee they will not return.

There is never any guarantee, except if you are granted some miracle, where Jesus himself tells you this.

Sure, I agree with that as being explained but if I tell a person who is about to receive RCIA, I would tell her first what’s more important so as not to distract and confuse.

God bless.

Certainly. If they don’t know how sacramentals are used, you have to instruct them. This doesn’t diminish the need to use them. It’s dangerous to think that you can just do away with all evil by saying you repent.

God bless you, as well.

 

[Rachel_1]

I have been watching “Paranormal State”, seems like they are Catholics, that go into people’s homes to rid those homes of the bad spirits, and they also have to rid the homes of that occult stuff. If it continues, you could call them up. On Paranormal State, they are often using Catholic prayers to rid the house of the bad spirits.

The occult is very unsafe, in that alot of people may play with a Spirit Board, and by doing so, they invite bad spirits in the Home, and also leaving the Door Open, allowing other spirits to come in the home, to cause trouble for the humans.

Thank you for your reply. Because there were so many replies to this thread you probably missed that I already have an answer (below):

Ok, I just got off the phone with the exorcist.
He is one of only 12 officially trained and recognized exorcist priests in the US, so I’m going with his recommendation. I also let him know that there is this thread here, which he was already aware of this forum.
He said what I should do with the items I have is either a) throw them in a lake or b) bury them. He said that the books can be burnt with the rest of my garbage (I live in the middle of nowhere just outside of city limits so I burn my garbage).
I have a lake near my house (actually two), so the heavy items I’m going to toss in the lake (or I’d have to dig a large hole lol), and the rest I’ll bury. He also said that I want to make sure that where ever I bury them or whatever lake I use, that it should be somewhere that nobody will find the items.
There you go… .a clear answer.
Hopefully, this thread will help others coming out of witchcraft into the Church

 

[benidict]

Thank you for your reply. Because there were so many replies to this thread you probably missed that I already have an answer (below):

Ok, I just got off the phone with the exorcist.
He is one of only 12 officially trained and recognized exorcist priests in the US, so I’m going with his recommendation. I also let him know that there is this thread here, which he was already aware of this forum.
He said what I should do with the items I have is either a) throw them in a lake or b) bury them. He said that the books can be burnt with the rest of my garbage (I live in the middle of nowhere just outside of city limits so I burn my garbage).
I have a lake near my house (actually two), so the heavy items I’m going to toss in the lake (or I’d have to dig a large hole lol), and the rest I’ll bury. He also said that I want to make sure that where ever I bury them or whatever lake I use, that it should be somewhere that nobody will find the items.
There you go… .a clear answer.
Hopefully, this thread will help others coming out of witchcraft into the Church

hi rachel. i dont know if anyone has mentioned this, but my patron st. is st. benidict. it may not hurt to buy one of these medals, and either wear it, or keep it on your person. in the meantime. if you have a Catholic Missal, there are some excellent prayers, you can use, that i have found very effective in dealing with this type of phenomena. st. benidict, was very effective in fighting the occult on a spiritual level in his time. he has also been known to intercede on our behalf for healing. God bless you and keep you. Peace

 

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

Message of Pope Paul V1, 13th October, 1985:

 "Dear brothers, let us reflect that it is not right to live for material goods alone, as if we were not children of God, destined to eternal happiness in God. Let us endeavour to have what we need for an honorable life, however let us never abandon ourselves to the desire to live for material things.
   How did we come to the sad situation of the spreading of evil spells? One of the reasons is the lack of priestly vocations.
   Many think that to be a priest is only to exercise a spiritual task, without thinking on the struggle a priest will have to sustain. This is a great and powerful struggle especially when facing the infernal powers. How many priests ask to perform exorcism? Very few indeed! How many understand totally the torments and strenuous struggles of the poor souls under the devil's spell? Many priests follow pastoral methods which are not fit to form upright spirits, industrious in doing good, generous and simple, all based on great faith in the merits of Our Saviour Jesus. Many preach for years of the need for fraternal help, of a vague prohibition of sin without ever giving the indispensable foundation of faith which is all powerful when one entrusts oneself to God the Almighty Father.
     The gravity of this teaching is that it forms weak spirits, not trained in the fierce spiritual battles which we have to face in life.
     Dear brothers, it is time to wake up and unite ourselves in the charity of helping and supporting ourselves in the most grave battle to which we are subjected sometimes in life. When our fervent prayer for those affected by evil spells rises to heaven, hope comes back in that soul and finds again strength to continue his fight until the long hoped liberation takes place. 
    Let us especially turn to those who are looking for help, let us extend our helping hand to them, a friendly hand.
     Do believe that God can forgive everybody, even those who have betrayed Him by giving themselves to the evil one. We must pray for them generously, because they are among the poorest among the poor, and a tremendous fate is in store for them if they do not repent in time.
      Your Holy Father, Paul V1, who does not forget you, wishes you joy, humility and peace. Amen."

 

[Lapey]

Message of Pope Paul V1, 13th October, 1985:

 "Dear brothers, let us reflect that it is not right to live for material goods alone, as if we were not children of God, destined to eternal happiness in God. Let us endeavour to have what we need for an honorable life, however let us never abandon ourselves to the desire to live for material things.
   How did we come to the sad situation of the spreading of evil spells? One of the reasons is the lack of priestly vocations.
   Many think that to be a priest is only to exercise a spiritual task, without thinking on the struggle a priest will have to sustain. This is a great and powerful struggle especially when facing the infernal powers. How many priests ask to perform exorcism? Very few indeed! How many understand totally the torments and strenuous struggles of the poor souls under the devil's spell? Many priests follow pastoral methods which are not fit to form upright spirits, industrious in doing good, generous and simple, all based on great faith in the merits of Our Saviour Jesus. Many preach for years of the need for fraternal help, of a vague prohibition of sin without ever giving the indispensable foundation of faith which is all powerful when one entrusts oneself to God the Almighty Father.
     The gravity of this teaching is that it forms weak spirits, not trained in the fierce spiritual battles which we have to face in life.
     Dear brothers, it is time to wake up and unite ourselves in the charity of helping and supporting ourselves in the most grave battle to which we are subjected sometimes in life. When our fervent prayer for those affected by evil spells rises to heaven, hope comes back in that soul and finds again strength to continue his fight until the long hoped liberation takes place. 
    Let us especially turn to those who are looking for help, let us extend our helping hand to them, a friendly hand.
     Do believe that God can forgive everybody, even those who have betrayed Him by giving themselves to the evil one. We must pray for them generously, because they are among the poorest among the poor, and a tremendous fate is in store for them if they do not repent in time.
      Your Holy Father, Paul V1, who does not forget you, wishes you joy, humility and peace. Amen."

How about 1965…???

Wow, thanks!

 

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

How about 1965…???

Wow, thanks!

Thank you ! 1965!

Excuse: There seems to be a time limit on postings, I’ve lost so many. I write and when I attempt to post find I’ve lost the site and give up frustrated. I didn’t want to lose this one. (It was a rather rushed job.) Glad you like it.